Tanker Staff - Awful

Sky Splitter is amazing for Tankers.

Weapon Sets are bad for Brutes because they lose Gloom Effectiveness.

ANOTHER FOOLISH BRUTE MAKING A WEAPON SET! MWAHAHAHA!

My suggestion before u delete it try to post its build here and let ppl take a look at it. It might be how u built it.

*shrug*

I've been happy with my DA/Staff tank so far.

Only level 18 currently, but it's performing about how I expected. Enough damage to kill things in a reasonable time frame (meaning I'm not expecting to clear maps in 2 minutes), and it gives me enough extra survivability I'm not feeling much pain from playing a low level DA.

Once I hit 20 my end problems will largely disappear as well.

I'm chalking this up to people not knowing how a set works best yet and knee-jerking all over the place. I recall a lot of threads saying how bad Titan Weapons was in the first week or so too, and now it's being hailed as the best thing since sliced Super Strength.

I have to say, I'm a bit confused as to how this situation arose.

Do you have other examples of Brutes and Tankers who both have the same attack powerset? If so, do you like the Tanker version in those examples? What are they, and what's the Tanker's primary?

With the notable exception of Super Strength, because of how Rage interacts with Brute Fury, a lot of Tanker primaries are going to scale down in damage when going from a Brute to a Tanker the same way as Staff does. If it was a matter of other attack sets just being that much more damaging (at least in ST DPS), then I wouldn't think you'd have liked Staff on the Brute.

Sigh. Now I'm a whining farmer. Hey, made it two pages before that happened.

It's great at level 18 it runs maps well. I know it does. I said as much. And, then, I followed it up by saying at level 50 it simply isn't performing how a melee set should. Never once did I expect Staff to perform like TW or Super Strength; I expected it to be able to kill things at +2 within a bearable time. I expected to be useful on a team and not have people on said team comments how visibly bad my damage was. Really, what I expected more than anything was seeing an improvement after sinking about 2B into the build; something is wrong when it does oohing except... oh, hey! Practiced Brawler is up a lot.

If it matters, I built the toon as a concept. You know... concept?

*shrug* Even other defensive melee sets can actually kill things.


Before we go farther with the insults (I mean, really) , do any of you calling me a whiny farmer have a a 50 Staff tank?


UberGuy: actually, my Elec/TW/Soul is so disgustingly powerful I refuse to make a Brute version of it, for fear of becoming bored. If my Tank has the DPS to kill an AV without help I really don't want to give it more damage. :3

Hm, to the point though.... I actually roll a Tank if I like the Brute build... Or vice-versa. This is the first time I've regretted that.


Edit- sorry for typos. On an iPad.

Edit 2- I'm honestly suggesting they need to take a look at this set.

Question, have you dipped into incarnates yet? Maybe musculature + reactive will make it worth playing? I know that brought my ice/ice tank back to life.

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Go into Mids and look at the animation times. Anyone see anything... interesting? *cough*

I'll give you a hint: check Tanker tier 1's. Coalition friends might be drawing spread sheets soon.

I am curious about the damage output strategy you followed. Did you shoot at direct damage increase, speed, a combination?

The new melee sets haven't treated Tanker too fair. STJ was pretty mediocre on Tanker if I recall while TW was so-so.

I know Rad and he's not about hyperbole. He knows the game inside out. I have full faith in his ability to make informed judgements about the set.

The DPE of an ATs attacks is usually always the same. Apart from varying depending on whether or not its a ST or AoE.

What differs is that the attacks across an ATs powersets aren't balanced against time. With one attack you may do the right DPE but take twice as long to do it.

Your DPS will suffer. On the upside with long cast times you make more end recovery against the end cost of an attack compared to what you would with a short cast time attack. This can help make this set feel good when used with what's often coined as "End Heavy Sets". You don't burn end as quick and you are blind to your DPS potential.

A set full of long cast times deserves to have more AoE to compensate. In my mind better recharge to compensate the PvPers.

A Brute using long cast time attacks will potentially get hit for longer fueling fury and maintaining endurance well through decent end recovery to give a feel good, doing alright factor.

The problem with Staff is the problem with the game for me. It's not balanced against time like people would want it to be.

A Powerset has to particularly work well with 3 Powersets that you combine it with. Staff probably does without us needing to look. Dark Armour being one, for many. For some, a DA they can finally play.

You have to make choices you can live with. Not everyone will find the niche benefits of putting X and Y together and build upon it. I have 100ish characters and personally love it when I find that certain something character can have that all my other characters can not. Last thing I want is 8 controllers, all about doing damage, all surviving by the same power pool additions being almost identical to eachother except for pretty graphics.

I would not of deleted. Sets can change at anytime. Niches can be found long after 50.