Who will win - Batman or Avengers....

No, not the characters, that would be a stupid question (Batman, obviously )

No, I mean the movies. Who will win the battle.

There's an excellent article about it on ComicMix site here

that I'll copy here for people who can't access it through work and the like

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This past week on my podcast (which you’re not listening to, but totally should), a debate sparked that was left largely unresolved. Since I have this digital soapbox, might as well use it to bring said debate to you. In a few weeks, the mega-multiplexes of America will be screening the culmination of years of work by the House funded by the Mouse. The Avengers will see the fruition of Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, Thor, and Captain America: The First Avenger in one massively multiplayer action adventure flick. About a month or so later, Warner Bros. unleashes the end to Christopher Nolan’s bat-child, The Dark Knight Rises. There’s no doubt in my mind that both of these movies will be amazingly profitable. But the debate is this: which will bank more bucks? Which will be a better movie? Let’s look at the tail of the tape. First up? Marvel’s Mightiest Heroes. Behind the scenes, we have the consummate king of the nerds Joss Whedon as director. His writer team? Well Whedon wrote with Zak Penn. Penn you’ll note wrote the successes such as The Incredible Hulk and X2, and the failures such as X-Men: The Last Stand and Electra. On the screen itself, the cast is of course a veritable galaxy of stars. Samuel L. Jackson, Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Scartlet Johansson, and Gwyneth Paltrow will all be in the film. Unlike any other franchise in history, The Avengers will coalesce four franchises into a single picture. From here? It’s all but a given that the there will be a sequel, as corresponding sub-sequels for all the individual characters. Can you hear that? It’s the sound of money growing on trees. Trees that became paper. Paper that became comic books. The Dark Knight Rises, as previously mentioned, is helmed by Christopher Nolan. Nolan’s career has been nothing short of a meteoric ascent to directorial gold. Nolan also helped pen this end to his triptych with his brother Jonathan, and David S. Goyer – who, as you will recall, helped pen Batman Begins and Blade 2. And Ghost Rider: Spirit of Bad Acting. But you can’t win them all, can you? Under the cape and cowl will once again be Christian Bale, joined by series stalwarts Michael Caine, and Morgan Freeman. The villain this go-around will be played by Tom Hardy. You’ll recognize Hardy as the mildly funny Brit in Inception. While not as big in scope as Marvel’s upcoming blockbuster, The Dark Knight Rises is the follow up to the single most profitable comic book inspired movie of all time. For those who don’t recall, The Dark Knight did so well in the movie theaters, comic retailers reported sales of The Watchmen had gone up in response (which is nothing short of amazing, if you ask any retailer these days). With TDKR, Nolan puts his series to an end. Speculation on the plot, and how things will resolve has most everyone around in a tizzy. The question then to ask: Which movie will make more money? Needless to say, both will bank boku bucks. For the sake of this argument, I’ll remove revenue from merchandise. Why? Because face it: Nolan’s Bat-Flicks haven’t spawned successful lines of toys; Marvel’s has. Specifically speaking on ticket sales? This is quite the toss up, is it not? On one hand you have the obvious ultimate popcorn movie in The Avengers. From the trailers we can safely assume there’s going to be wall to wall action, explosions, the Hulk, fighting, one liners, and boobs. Opposing that mentality, Nolan will nab those looking for a bit more substance. Whereas Marvel’s flicks were squarely targeting tweens and teens (with a side of general comic nerds and action geeks to boot ), DC’s Bat-Franchise has been nothing if adult in its complexity. Gun to my head if you asked me to choose, I’d end up with the nod to the Avengers making more moolah at the end of the day. The Dark Knight had the death of Heath Ledger, on top of the oscar buzz for his performance, on top of previous audience gained from Batman Begins. But TDKR features a villain most people aren’t familiar with (Bane ain’t exactly a household name now, is he?), and a star whose potential is only just now being noticed. And if other comic book trilogies are to be looked at (Spider-Man, X-Men, and previous Bat-Incarnations), the end of an era does not always translate into positive earnings. With The Avengers, we simply have too many stars to not draw an amazing crowd. Fans of any of those feeder movies no doubt want to see a team up. It’s the whole reason books like The Avengers and Justice League always sell so well! Now, I would give The Dark Knight Rises the edge ultimately in terms of potential film quality. Not a knock on The Avengers mind you I think from what we’ve seen, Whedon will deliver the goods. But The Avengers has more chance to pratfall than ascend to nerdvana. With so many stars on screen, there’s a real chance too much time will be spent assembling, mocking, and joking. And we can tell much of the movie will be dealing with a Loki-lead invasion fight scene. And just how much CGI action can we effectively sit through? Given the spectacle (and disappointment) of the last Matrix movie, suffice to say I’m fretful. With Batman, Nolan seems to have been methodically building a dramatic arc. Bruce Wayne by way of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight has been an evolving force of nature. But Nolan’s best job has been grounding that force in reality. He’s delivered where so many others have failed: comic book movies without heroic quips and a knowing wink to the camera. When that theme of the dissonant chords let us know the Joker was at work, it was truly chilling. To think that Nolan is ending this series, one must postulate he’s had an ending in mind since the start. On that knowledge, I give the edge over to DC. Simply put, I’m more excited for their flick because I genuinely do not know what will happen. In The Avengers? I’m almost certain we’ll have the following: Loki attacks. Avengers assemble by way of initial in-fighting. Disaster. True assembling. Fighting. Explosions. Boobs. Victory. Open ending for more sequels. Not that it’s a bad formula but it’s just that: a formula. So, plenty of points to discuss. Flame me, Internet, for I have opinions. Will Bats take more money? Will Avengers be the Return of the King for Comic Book movies? Discuss!

It's an interesting question and one that will be fascinating to see the winner of. I'm genuinely excated as all hellout for both movies, I really am, mostly for the reasons stated above, they are two very different beasts, but I think I have to agree that in terms of blockbuster ticket sales, I think Avengers might well have the edge on this one.

The obvious answer as to who wins though? We do, the fans

Batman's usual advantage of exceptional planning is nearly useless against a large group of people from another dimension that he literally cannot possibly have had time to...

Oh, the movies. >.>

I hope Avengers does really well, and I hope Batman does really well, and I hope they're both good movies in addition to selling really well. I don't particularly have an opinion on which I think will do better.

The fans.

Duh.

Avengers are winning in the rapid new threads per day race.

The Dark Knight Rises will make more money at the box office. Probably a lot more, unless it turns out to be terrible. And even then it will probably still make more, it's following a billion dollar movie. Apart from the first Iron Man, the films leading up to the Avengers have been kind of mediocre.

But the question Warners and Disney really care about is- which will sell more merchandise? I think the Avengers has the edge there, it's more colourful and kid-friendly. Batman is kind of a downer.

The amount of advertising for the Avengers could mean that it ends up being pretty front-loaded, while Nolan's take on Batman makes his movies "heavier", and more likely to have legs.

Comic Book Fans.. <-- winner

the whole notion of picking or the other is totally stupid, as far as I know I am watching BOTH.

Avengers!

Avengers will continue, so people will have something to look forward to after viewing.

Batman is ending. After they watch it, there's no speculating what will happen next. As it's over.

Sooo, Batman will have people waiting for DVD!

The whole debate is tiresome and futile . Both will do well and add Spiderman to the party as well . And the whole Ledger death making DK a billion dollars excuse is ridiculous as well .
Sure it brought added attention , but he died after all the filming was done .

And what accounts for the continued success after that inital week ?

I doubt that midnight show was just filled with people who were curious about Heath .

If the movie is good , people will come and continue to do so .

Case is point the last movie Heath was in, did not benefit from his death at all .

I hope they all do well include Supes next year

Avengers seems to be winning the hype war -- every time they release a clip or photos, people are buzzing about it and scrutinizing them for clues, etc. Meanwhile, they just released the first clear shot of Hathaway in her full Catwoman regalia, and nobody seems to care much.

I'm sure both will do well, though, and they kind of complement each other: big, over-the-top action vs. gritty, psychological thriller.

All I know is that I'm winning....two flicks that I can't wait to see. Score! :P

Batman hahaha....I find Batman offensive and all the stories written about him since the dark knight to the present is rubbish with a few exceptions like when they killed Jason Todd....he is just a man...i like to keep some logic when i read these stories if not i might as well read cartoon stories about bugs bunny and such where it's possible for the rabbit to beat the hunter......Seriously...Batman vs Superman for instance.... ridiculous idea, First of...Mr Wayne is no where close to the same level as SUPERMAN WOULD BE if he was at all...If Superman is the human in evolution Batman would be the spider monkey....and how likely is it for a spider monkey to out smart or beat not just a normal human but the very pinnacle of a human.....just pathetic. I normally pay no attention to rubbish or nonconstructive thinking but this just rubbed me the wrong way.....

Anyone who support this Batman junk is illogical and offensive to a rational mind.

BATMAN IS A RUNT, written by and for morons !!!

What was the question again O.o ?

Logic merely allows one to be wrong with authority...

Of the two movies, I'm looking forward to Avengers more simply because I can't be hopeful about what I've seen of the Batman movie thus far.

I'm sure both movies will be financially successful. As for quality, I expect the Avengers to be mediocre at best, and I expect The Dark Knight Rises to be good (though, honestly, Bane as a main villain worries me a little).

From everything I've heard about the Avengers, it sounds like it could end up as a confusing mess. Too many stars. Too many heroes. It could be awesome if done just right, but it feels like "too much" to cram one 2-hour movie. We'll see.

I have to say that the Joker was the high point of the last Batman movie, and while it was good in many ways, I just didn't like it. I absolutely hate Beal as Batman. That awful voice he uses just grates on my ears. I like what Nolan did with the whole franchise, but I'm already ready for the inevitable revamp/reboot movie to bring Batman into a shared universe with Superman so we can have a JLA movie.

So, for me, Avengers all the way.

I think Avengers has an advantage in opening first and with little competition from other blockbuster films. By the time TDKR opens, folks will have already had the opportunity to see Avengers, Battleship, MIB III, Prometheus, GI Joe: Redemption, and Spiderman. I think that will sap some of the momentum TDKR otherwise would have had.

That said, TDKR has an advantage in opening in the middle of summer vacation when lots of teens will have more free time to go to the movies.

My guess: Avengers will have a slightly higher box office draw than TDKR. I know I am anticipating Avengers more.

I gotta say I am equally excited for both but so far of the two Nolan Batman movies and all the movies for the Avengers solo movies I have defiantly liked the Batman movies more. But then I hear Joss Whedon is writing AND directing The Avengers and I practically have a nerdgasm.

I think Avengers is gonna pull ahead in box office sales but only very slightly like one might make half a billion the other like 600 million that close.

With the critics: Batman wins easily.

In the toy shops: Avengers win easily.