So lets talk about redside teaming.
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Posted on: 2012-04-10 09:25 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Whenever I want a team I just use /search and send some tells. Works on redside every time.
Redside is low-pop for sure, but I've found I can get on a few teams running sewers until 20 or so, then hop into Drowning in Blood while running story arcs in between. I mostly run red on Infinity and I've not had a problem yet finding teams in between a half-dozen LFG channels, Help and our SG coalition.
It looks like Night Ward is Coop, so perhaps some more people will gather there as well.
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If its like first ward, people will gather there for the first month, decide chaining Dfb's and posi's blueside is faster and go back to that.|
Originally Posted by Neuronia
Redside is low-pop for sure, but I've found I can get on a few teams running sewers until 20 or so, then hop into Drowning in Blood while running story arcs in between. I mostly run red on Infinity and I've not had a problem yet finding teams in between a half-dozen LFG channels, Help and our SG coalition.
It looks like Night Ward is Coop, so perhaps some more people will gather there as well. |
I hate hate hate the redside story arcs, they are in general positivly punishing for a solo player who isnt a brute, scrapper or stalker.
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I thought it was just me, but the two redside characters I've rolled I've decided I need to switch to blueside on because it's just so...vacant on Redside. I'm keeping one Dom there just to slowly play through the content solo.
I have 2 redside SoA and Widow that are simply leveling so they can switch
I play blueside until I see a redside team advertised, then switch and play them.
The real solution to this is for the redside players to agree on a server to play on, the unofficial redside server. Then all move there. They would have a lot of redside players if they were all on one server
I've always thought soloing redside to be faster and easier than blue. It's easier to get contacts, who almost always give arcs, and 90% of the arc mishes will be in the same zone. Imo, much more solo friendly than all of the old blueside contacts. Teaming, though, is a pain redside but not impossible. Lack of steady DFB teams does make the first 15 or 20 levels slower but 20+ i've always found to be much smoother redside, but i'm big on soloing.
Aw, you guys are making me feel bad. No seriously. I play redside about 75% of the time, but I find "rush-rush, kill-kill" teaming to be so draining that I usually don't look for teams, or I decline invites to teams.
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Thats a VERY poor solution as it would leave players who cant or wont switch in even worse of a shape.|
Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
I have 2 redside SoA and Widow that are simply leveling so they can switch
I play blueside until I see a redside team advertised, then switch and play them. The real solution to this is for the redside players to agree on a server to play on, the unofficial redside server. Then all move there. They would have a lot of redside players if they were all on one server |
we need a solution that doesnt involve spending money by the players.
We need a low level coop zone that is NOT praetoria... for the most part players hate preatoria, they avoid it like the plague, stop ramming it down our throats dev's.
They got a bad taste for it early one when it was way too difficult and they just wont touch it with a 39 1/2 ft pole now.
I havent seen more than a player or two farming ghoul badges in first ward in months.
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Is this entire thread out of touch? Has anyone actually tried forming a team redside, or has everyone just stood around watching the Broadcast channel hoping for someone to announce a team looking for more?
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
The real solution to this is for the redside players to agree on a server to play on, the unofficial redside server. Then all move there.
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Then . . . why are you playing redside?|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
If its like first ward, people will gather there for the first month, decide chaining Dfb's and posi's blueside is faster and go back to that.
I hate hate hate the redside story arcs, they are in general positivly punishing for a solo player who isnt a brute, scrapper or stalker. |
Even if the population magically increased redside (which isn't going to happen no matter what the devs do), there is still going to be points at which you had to solo. (For instance playing on a holiday, late at night when nearly no one is on.)
with that said, I would love cross server teaming (across SERVERS) also.
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You mean we need a larger zone like the co-op tutorial? THAT I would like, with that said it would need to go from levels 1-30 at least, because with the two new low level trials you would STILL NEVER see anyone in those zones if they were only low level. Even when not pling low level content is super easy to blast through. Especially for vets.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Thats a VERY poor solution as it would leave players who cant or wont switch in even worse of a shape.
we need a solution that doesnt involve spending money by the players. We need a low level coop zone that is NOT praetoria... for the most part players hate preatoria, they avoid it like the plague, stop ramming it down our throats dev's. They got a bad taste for it early one when it was way too difficult and they just wont touch it with a 39 1/2 ft pole now. I havent seen more than a player or two farming ghoul badges in first ward in months. |
It is also now faster to simply que or form for those low level trials than it is to even form a pl team in AE.
A low level co-op zone that goes to 30 or 35 would tie nicely in with the next two co-op zones.
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I play on virtue and freedom, on blueside I can get a Dib/DFB together any time of day or night, weekend or holiday rain or shine.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Then . . . why are you playing redside?
Even if the population magically increased redside (which isn't going to happen no matter what the devs do), there is still going to be points at which you had to solo. (For instance playing on a holiday, late at night when nearly no one is on.) with that said, I would love cross server teaming (across SERVERS) also. |
The devs cant increase the redside population, but they can make cross server teaming, they can make BETTER coop zones with more draw so players actually go there, they can make it easier to cross side team to increase availible playerage.
ITs not completly a dev or a player problem and both are too blame, and they devs INSITANCE on holding out on cross side markets is one of the big killers of early redside development which redside never recovered from.
BUt this is a problem the devs have to fix, the players dont have the coordination to do it themselves, I mean I could start up a repeat offender style superteam and blitz to 50 in 2 weeks with about 20 other people but that doesnt actually solve anything.
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Cross server teaming I agree would solve everything. (I don't hold my breath of us EVER seeing this.) A new co-op zone might, but NOT if it's low level only. It needs to go from 1-35, meaning we might not see it for a while.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
I play on virtue and freedom, on blueside I can get a Dib/DFB together any time of day or night, weekend or holiday rain or shine.
The devs cant increase the redside population, but they can make cross server teaming, they can make BETTER coop zones with more draw so players actually go there, they can make it easier to cross side team to increase availible playerage. ITs not completly a dev or a player problem and both are too blame, and they devs INSITANCE on holding out on cross side markets is one of the big killers of early redside development which redside never recovered from. BUt this is a problem the devs have to fix, the players dont have the coordination to do it themselves, I mean I could start up a repeat offender style superteam and blitz to 50 in 2 weeks with about 20 other people but that doesnt actually solve anything. |
Good looking out though.
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Yeah a 1-30 coop zone would do WONDERS.|
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
You mean we need a larger zone like the co-op tutorial? THAT I would like, with that said it would need to go from levels 1-30 at least, because with the two new low level trials you would STILL NEVER see anyone in those zones if they were only low level. Even when not pling low level content is super easy to blast through. Especially for vets.
It is also now faster to simply que or form for those low level trials than it is to even form a pl team in AE. A low level co-op zone that goes to 30 or 35 would tie nicely in with the next two co-op zones. |
Something along the lines of a low level crimorea
NO MORE PREATORIA, it will just be ignored and villified like everything else praetoria is, it has too bad a reputation as a player grinder to ever draw players even if it was easy.
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The OTHER problem is that one of the key points of Praetoria was being able to start with any AT and go to it's non natural side when you hit 20.|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
Yeah a 1-30 coop zone would do WONDERS.
Something along the lines of a low level crimorea NO MORE PREATORIA, it will just be ignored and villified like everything else praetoria is, it has too bad a reputation as a player grinder to ever draw players even if it was easy. |
Being able to start the game with any AT made Praetoria pointless.
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Eh, I still want to solo through a full Prae storyline, then First Ward, and then eventually Night Ward to get the full experience. I'm just hung up a concept / powerset combo that'll be less painful than pulling teeth.
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Originally Posted by Aura_Familia
Being able to start the game with any AT made Praetoria pointless.
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What we need is more redside arcs where you're not the lackey. I think that is what started driving people away from redside in the first place. We need more actual villainous content. Co-op arcs generally have the villains working towards some "greater good," which isn't what a decent amount of villain players want.
Give me more content where my character can be truly evil, and I'll play there more.
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so your solution to redside teaming is to have villains not play redside?|
Originally Posted by Shubbie
We need a low level coop zone that is NOT praetoria...
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why don't you just play blueside and pretend you are a villain?
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This right here is where your issue is. What other reason would you play redside then? I'm curious as to the logic here.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
If its like first ward, people will gather there for the first month, decide chaining Dfb's and posi's blueside is faster and go back to that.
I hate hate hate the redside story arcs, they are in general positivly punishing for a solo player who isnt a brute, scrapper or stalker. |
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To play with some friends, usually not enough to get a TF or trial going.|
Originally Posted by dougnukem
This right here is where your issue is. What other reason would you play redside then? I'm curious as to the logic here.
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BUt usually enough to get farmed.
I said COOP Zones, like Crim and RWZ.
redside is fine post 35, ITF's lauch about every 3 minutes on freedom and about ever 5 on virtue, the problems are gone at that point.
But whatever someone logic is to play redside, teaming needs to be improved redside.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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I usually just do actually other than when I can find a friend to powerlevel a reddie to 35.|
Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
so your solution to redside teaming is to have villains not play redside?
why don't you just play blueside and pretend you are a villain? |
But at that point why not just close up redside if you just going to tell everyone to go blueside.
Go look at the orginal post.
Delte the character now and remake blue is not an acceptable solution to redside teaming probems.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
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I've never had problems finding teams red-side when I had the urge, even on my off-brand home server of Triumph.|
Originally Posted by GuyPerfect
Is this entire thread out of touch? Has anyone actually tried forming a team redside, or has everyone just stood around watching the Broadcast channel hoping for someone to announce a team looking for more?
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It's never going to be like playing on a busy server blue side, where invites rain down from the sky, but if you invest a little effort you can usually round up a team fairly quickly.
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I usually don't have issues redside, but I also don't mind solo work either. Maybe you just have to step up your team building. Start seeking people out for a team you're forming and what not. I won't lie that redside has a much lower population overall though. Honestly, I don't think it will ever change either.
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
To play with some friends, usually not enough to get a TF or trial going.
BUt usually enough to get farmed. I said COOP Zones, like Crim and RWZ. redside is fine post 35, ITF's lauch about every 3 minutes on freedom and about ever 5 on virtue, the problems are gone at that point. But whatever someone logic is to play redside, teaming needs to be improved redside. |
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Ive honestly just given up trying to team redside, I just fire farm to 35 now..|
Originally Posted by dougnukem
I usually don't have issues redside, but I also don't mind solo work either. Maybe you just have to step up your team building. Start seeking people out for a team you're forming and what not. I won't lie that redside has a much lower population overall though. Honestly, I don't think it will ever change either.
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Its just not worth the fight of trying to get teams.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.
Ive been asking about how to level a redside character because its so hard to find teams and have gotten this sort of advice from help.
Get powerleveled to 35 and start chaining itf.
Get powerleveled to 20 then go rogue and run hero tf.
Solo to 20 then go rogue and run hero tf's and missions.
Delete the character now and go blue.
Get powerleveled to 50.
Get on during primetime and pray for a team.
Start as blue and side switch after 35
OKie now this is clearly a problem and somewhat a dev problem and somewhat a self fufilling player problem.
The core problems.
Redside has about 1/4 of the players blueside does on most servers.
The shortage of players has created the perception the only way to level redside is powerleveling leaving less people to team.
Redsides go rogue and go teaming on blueside leaving less people to team.
No one uses first ward at all.
No one uses praetoria at all.
This leaves the only coop zones RWZ, Crim and DA.
Blueside content in general is much easier, faster and more effecient.
we need either cross server or cross side teaming in a major way, powerleveling is effecient but not very fun, and ive had to resort to it more and more on redside characters
I know ive brought this up before, but the problem is getting worse and no real solutions have appeared.
Boycott Ncsoft if they close down Coh.