Anything new in the market this Tuesday?


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The release of the "Common Sense" secondary power?
That would totally destroy the game. Who'd go off and be a superhero or supervillain if they had common sense? What's needed is a love of flashy outfits, explosions, unnecessarily complicated plans, and the firm belief that violence can solve all problems.


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Fanboys aside who are ragging on people who are rightfully aggravated for having to wait weeks for a set that was ready for release weeks ago - I hope the people who run this game will reexamine this strategy of stringing out releases.

The idea that releasing two sets at the same time would piss off customers seems pretty ironic in this case. I'd say you'd have a lot less upset customers if they had a choice between two powersets at the same time, rather than making a large chunk of your paying customers wait on a set you've dangled in front of them for weeks while trying to get them to spend points on ligers and blessing of the zephyr io's. And if said customer had a desire to buy them both, they'd buy them both regardless of when they were released.

I was very excited initially about this set, but the excitement turned to aggravation as it became clear the set was being held back from release even though it was fully ready to be implemented. At this point, I'm really not sure if I'm going to even buy it now,(.........)

The reason I complain is because I like this game, and I want the people who run it, to run it intelligently so it sticks around for a while longer. So hopefully, the way this situation was handled was just a singular mistake, and not something that becomes commonplace.

/This and the post with missing the sweet point

To add in something else:
F2P or Pay4Gain is something where you have to be careful to not f... up with your customers (sry for my bad english in advance).
I am paying for 2 and sometimes 3 VIP accounts, bought much much from the P-Store. And I am fine with it. It is my hobby.
After a break from CoH (where my mainaccount was still charged) i played Hellgate Global, the F2P version. Even there I payed for things from the store, until the point, where the only communication we got from the devs were the weekly storechanges, but bugs were not treated as it should. So, seeing that the devs have given up that game, i only felt like a cash cow that had to be milked.
Ok, I lost interest- and at that point CoH Freedom was released, i came back to CoH and was seeing that a Cashshop was implemented. Ok I thought, let's see how their shop is made, and i was fully happy, as I had the feeling that it is mostly fair, CoH was in a much better shape than ever (looking back to EU Beta), the devs seemed to react on wishes.
Really thanks for it. Well, of course, paragon is not a charity-institution, but a company that works for money. ANd of course that is ok. If it's not for money the devs wouldn't sit in their offices for hours and hours.
But, you as a company have to give the customer a good feeling. That is what the customer is after. Cash for good feeling. I totally lose that good feeling when i am treated as a cash cow. Or better said: when I get the feeling that i am treated as a cash cow. And that was the problem with Staff fighting. I see their side of the medal, but hey, i see mine.
No, I won't ragequit or somehting like that, but my good feeling is fading away when i see that a carotte was hung in front of my nose, only to be able to eat that carotte after I ate many tomatoes because of marketing strategies.

Visualize following: A man goes to a certain establishment to get a good feeling, he knows it is a lie, the other side doens't want him to actually feel good, they want him to pay. And they know that he will only pay again when he got a good feeling.

Here the devs made a poor job. They gave us too much insight to their selling strategy.
For me personally, i will not buy the set when it comes out, because i have 10 other projects on chars before of that, i simply lost my interest, and am little disappointed by the selling strategy.
At all, i wish the devs learn from that, because i simply love that game, and don't want that customers leave because of such customer-unfriendly decisions.

Again, sry for my bad english.
Btw... Zwillinger has twins... Zwilling is german for twin. Is that releated? ;P


 

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I may even stay up till 3am est (gmt -5) to get it.
Odds are they will need to have a patch update for the new powerset to be available next Tuesday. I wouldn't recommend staying up late for it.


total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

 

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Odds are they will need to have a patch update for the new powerset to be available next Tuesday. I wouldn't recommend staying up late for it.
Previous powerset releases have gone up at midnight (which, yes, implies they were patched in at an earlier date). Unless there are some suddenly critical last-minute changes to Staff, I would indeed expect it to up at midnight.


 

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Odds are they will need to have a patch update for the new powerset to be available next Tuesday. I wouldn't recommend staying up late for it.
This week's patch didn't feel like 140 MBs worth of stuff, my guess is it's there, the power help certainly is, try typing [guarded spin] in the live game.


It's true. This game is NOT rocket surgery. - BillZBubba

 

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Huh? It is? This is something that is completely alien to me. Why would anyone lose interest in something they are interested in over the course of a month or so? About the only way this makes sense to me is if the people in question are not playing CoH at all, and they end up being away for so long that they get engrossed in something else instead and never come back.

I honestly, truly cannot grasp that concept.
Here's your token counterexample. I play almost every day (even if it's just a quick OuroHeather for a component). When I22 came out, I wanted to roll a staff stalker. Staff wasn't out yet, no worries. I'd rather they get it right than rush it out. Then I read about the glory of Street Justice on stalkers so I made one of those instead. Cue a slow wane in interest about Staff Fighting; I made the character I had intended to use Staff Fighting with, so meh to Staff Fighting.

Then I find out that staff has apparently been in marketing limbo rather than technical limbo and to celebrate its impending arrival they effectively hose me out of 1600 Paragon Points. (I bought 20 slots when they were on sale at 25% off since "who knows when they'll go on sale again?") So my already-waning interest in staff has now been lowered to near zero and I'm feeling iffy about buying exactly the sale items they want me to buy since anything I buy at a "mere" 25% off might be on sale for 50% off 2 weeks later.

I won't be buying Staff Fighting on day of release. I won't say never, but it'll be months. Oh, and that toon I was thinking about buying Titan Weapons to make? Also shelved indefinitely. There's my 1600 Paragon Points recovered, and all it cost was my trust and a decent chunk of my interest in the game.


 

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Here's your token counterexample. I play almost every day (even if it's just a quick OuroHeather for a component). When I22 came out, I wanted to roll a staff stalker. Staff wasn't out yet, no worries. I'd rather they get it right than rush it out. Then I read about the glory of Street Justice on stalkers so I made one of those instead. Cue a slow wane in interest about Staff Fighting; I made the character I had intended to use Staff Fighting with, so meh to Staff Fighting.
Basically same story here. Wanted to wait for staff to test the new stalker changes, cursed myself for holding out past DXP, made a claws/wp stalker, don't have much urge to get staff fighting. I may get it, but it's not going to be a must buy anymore.

TL;DR: Paragon you waited too long and releasing it after DXP was just insult to injury. (Masterminds didn't get a revamp I was aware of so BM could have waited to get staff stalkers going.)


 

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Then I find out that staff has apparently been in marketing limbo rather than technical limbo and to celebrate its impending arrival they effectively hose me out of 1600 Paragon Points. (I bought 20 slots when they were on sale at 25% off since "who knows when they'll go on sale again?") So my already-waning interest in staff has now been lowered to near zero and I'm feeling iffy about buying exactly the sale items they want me to buy since anything I buy at a "mere" 25% off might be on sale for 50% off 2 weeks later.
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I found this part of your post most interesting given some of the less than stellar reasons given about their release and marketing strategies. In particular is the fact that the slots sales spaced a mere few weeks apart has people feeling that hosed feeling they said was an issue with powersets. We all know that is bollocks.

In the meantime the stuff that I said they would never put on sale, has never been on sale, and will never go on sale is guess what....not on sale again. A few of those items are personal storage, personal enhancement trays and personal salvage space etc...

Outstanding and still waiting to be proven wrong the one time this year they will actually put that valuable stuff up on sale.


The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.

 

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Basically same story here. Wanted to wait for staff to test the new stalker changes, cursed myself for holding out past DXP, made a claws/wp stalker, don't have much urge to get staff fighting. I may get it, but it's not going to be a must buy anymore.

TL;DR: Paragon you waited too long and releasing it after DXP was just insult to injury. (Masterminds didn't get a revamp I was aware of so BM could have waited to get staff stalkers going.)
Mostly same here only difference is now I won't be buying anything from paragon market since it is obvious that they don't want my money anymore and things lost their shine.


 

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I love how all the people who say the Paragon Market doesn't need to be updated with something new every week if it's just going to sell junk are the same people angry over nothing new this week.



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I wouldn't call 50% off of slots junk, unless you bought them last week at 25% off, then you've got a reason to rage.


 

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extremely happy with my 5 pack of character slots & bonus purchase of Steampunk costume bundle.

I might feel different if I'd been here all along, but as a returning player the market is packed with things I'd like to buy.


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I wouldn't call 50% off of slots junk, unless you bought them last week at 25% off, then you've got a reason to rage.
Nah I find them pretty neato. Just saying some people call them junk.



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50% off slots is cool, though I agree that it's a bit crappy to do it right after they were 25% off. Normally I'm pretty "caveat emptor" when it comes to the market and the last one to call for refunds. I didn't actually buy any last week but IMO it would be a good PR move if they refunded the difference of the points to people who did.


 

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One man's trash is another man's treasure, and all that.

I for one had 2010 paragon points, all accumulated stipend, sitting in my account. I bought the 5-pack of the character slots, because that, to me, is a great sale. Honestly, I hope this sale brings in a lot of purchases, because I would love to see them more.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if there's one thing that will get me to spend on things that I do not need immediately, but could conceivably use in the future, it is a sale. I don't need 5 more character slots, as I am still sitting on 3 empty slots on my main server, but I know that I could have use of them in the future, so may as well buy them while they are on sale.

I don't need, nor currently have a concept for, Street Justice, but mark that down to 600pp (or less) for a week, and I would probably purchase it. That goes for a lot of costumes as well actually. So as much as I enjoy saving my money: Sales are a win!


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50% off slots is cool, though I agree that it's a bit crappy to do it right after they were 25% off. Normally I'm pretty "caveat emptor" when it comes to the market and the last one to call for refunds. I didn't actually buy any last week but IMO it would be a good PR move if they refunded the difference of the points to people who did.
that'd just be good business sense, otherwise people start looking at your discounts with a wary eye- "oh it's 25% off now, but where will it be next week?"

Although it's a proximity thing- if it's a month between the two sales, that's one thing. But dropping it the very next week is poor form.


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Seconded on this. I'd be happy with one last final page of 12...
You say that no but if you're anything like me...


 

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I wouldn't call 50% off of slots junk, unless you bought them last week at 25% off, then you've got a reason to rage.
Not really.

You bought them at 25% off. You could of not bought them at 25% off and waited.

It's like buying a car at discount and then the next day seeing they went on sale.

You have the choice to wait, or you have the choice to buy now.

That said, I still think the day before DXP they should of had Staff Fighting up for sale at twice the cost as a special one day sale untill official release.

That would of had many people buying at twice the cost (at least a few for sure) and thusly more money!

People could of waited for the official release and others could of BUY NOW!

Of course, some might have seen that as a money grab, but so what, business to make money, and it would of given it to those who wanted it.


BrandX Future Staff Fighter
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Of course, some might have seen that as a money grab, but so what, business to make money, and it would of given it to those who wanted it.
Never quite understood the "money grab" excuse either. They're a business. Of course they're going to try and get money.

Damn those guys at NCsoft, trying to make a living!



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