So is staff melee out tomorrow?
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Posted on: 2012-04-02 07:51 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Or if it would just attack NPCs. No more civilians are going to be pushing me out of their way.
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Originally Posted by Emberly
I am not angry and I do not believe the devs are engaging in anything malicious. I do understand the reasoning behind using the four leg model so much; it is shiny and new and it reportedly took a lot of resources to make. Let's hope that as time passes the shiny wears off and people in charge of these things stop thinking of terms of "gotta recoup that cost RIGHT NAO" so we can get back to other themes and not have people rolling their eyes at yet another badly skinned and poorly scaled quadruped.
You know, I would pay good money for a COMBAT pet similar to the german shepherd. Even if it was like -3 to my effective level, it would be pretty cool to have Rufus out there chewing up runners. |
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Exicted and agitated are not exactly the same emotions.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
They've always made a quasi-big deal over their anniversaries. It makes sense to me that they would be saving up something they know people want in order to make sure people are "excited" about the game at a key time. That's Marketing Tactics 101.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
They've always made a quasi-big deal over their anniversaries. It makes sense to me that they would be saving up something they know people want in order to make sure people are "excited" about the game at a key time. That's Marketing Tactics 101.
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The problem is it becomes, "Come celebrate out aniversary we're givening you the chance to buy a present from us!", Riot games did the exact same thing with a community favourite skin, and got the piss royally taken out of them.
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The main problem here is that they've been sitting on the powerset for months.
If they hadn't released it to Beta so early then there wouldn't be as much complaining as there is now, Beast Mastery actually came along after staff fighting and got released earlier.
However if they hadn't released it to test then people would be complaining the sounds aren't right when it was released, catch 22 really.
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A real showstopper!
We already know that there's a bundle of "loyalty stuff" coming out on the 18th, that's your anniversary release right there. Staff will probably come out later this month as well, but that's more of a coincidence than anything.
Ha, damn it! I cancelled and re-subbed to change billing information between December first and March thirty first. I wonder if that screws me out of the bundle or if the important factor was that I didn't let my subscription lapse?
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Fair enough. Still they know they have something ready to go that'll make people want to play intensely for at least another few weeks. It's like lightning in a bottle and it would make sense for them to drop it at the moment that'll make the biggest splash for them. That "moment" will likely be a couple of weeks from now.
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
Exicted and agitated are not exactly the same emotions.
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Way to purposefully miss the "or so" in text you quoted.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
It has been more than a week so that is not accurate at all.
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| What is wrong with Z[willinger] saying staff fighting is going to be released on xyz date this month. I mean really the set has been ready for at least two of the four months it has been in BETA. It was more highly desired and requested over BM and they told us when that was coming, so why not staff. |
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| No need to overreact but there IS a reason to react. YMMV. |
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
As long as people are not threatening to burn down PS office or something, others need to step back and allow people to provide feedback that PS can take or leave.
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| It is not cool to try to muffle your fellow players feedback, not cool at all. |
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And since they've already been sitting on it for months what's another couple of weeks going to matter? The people who are upset by the delay are already upset - who else is going to get any more upset now?
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Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU
The main problem here is that they've been sitting on the powerset for months.
If they hadn't released it to Beta so early then there wouldn't be as much complaining as there is now, Beast Mastery actually came along after staff fighting and got released earlier. However if they hadn't released it to test then people would be complaining the sounds aren't right when it was released, catch 22 really. |
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From now on I'm going to have to treat everything Zwill says with intense doldrum, if this is his favourite thing in the market ever. He comes along stoking people for todays release... and it turns out to be a pop culture reference to a film that failed in its intent to become a cult classic.
Could of been the Sci-fi set, could of been the rumoured psychic weapon set that Yin uses, nope its an out of date pop culture reference.
Family guy would be proud.
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To me it doesn't even matter what they would tie to selling in conjunction with celebrating the anniversary (unless it is a sale on all items concept).|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
The problem is it becomes, "Come celebrate out aniversary we're givening you the chance to buy a present from us!", Riot games did the exact same thing with a community favourite skin, and got the piss royally taken out of them.
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For example if today were the day and it was "Come celebrate a lion of an achievement, our 8th Anniversary, by buying your very own lion pet today!" I would think they were off their rockers.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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As long as you didn't "unsub" at all or for any longer than 24 hours you're probably OK.|
Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
Ha, damn it! I cancelled and re-subbed to change billing information between December first and March thirty first. I wonder if that screws me out of the bundle or if the important factor was that I didn't let my subscription lapse?
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Many people have had situations like that and the Devs have been fairly forgiving.
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I said you had the right so preach on.
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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
That works both ways, some of us are just fine with how things are, and have a right to say so.
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The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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I think I went a bit overboard in quoting you when most of my comments should have been directed more broadly.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
I said you had the right so preach on.
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I didn't really mean any direct malice toward you, you just happened to say a bunch of things I felt needed comment.
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I don't know that your characterization of "sitting on it" is 100% correct though I know many probably see it that way. To delay it for the obvious anniversary ploy would cement the view.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
And since they've already been sitting on it for months what's another couple of weeks going to matter? The people who are upset by the delay are already upset - who else is going to get any more upset now?
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And that would actually move me from disapointed/annoyed to angry. I wouldn't want to assume anyone else's reaction but it would seem probable that others would also migrate further along the dissatisfaction path.
Generally it is not thought to be a good idea to intentionally provoke people.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I'm not sure why you suspect that they're going to do that in the first place, SwellGuy, since as I said we already know what they're releasing for the anniversary and it isn't staff fighting.
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Perhaps it'd be more appropriate to say the Devs have been "working" on Staff Fighting for a long time and the timing of when they got it ready to go now finds itself lining up with marking the milestone of the 8th anniversary. For all we know they "planned" to release it two months ago, but since that didn't happen their "plan B" is to make the most of the delay which in this case may be to have it coincide with the upcoming anniversary.|
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
I don't know that your characterization of "sitting on it" is 100% correct though I know many probably see it that way. To delay it for the obvious anniversary ploy would cement the view.
And that would actually move me from disapointed/annoyed to angry. I wouldn't want to assume anyone else's reaction but it would seem probable that others would also migrate further along the dissatisfaction path. Generally it is not thought to be a good idea to intentionally provoke people. |
Either way the fact is that it's not happening today. If it does or doesn't happen next Tuesday then I'm sure people will continue to have their own theories about it regardless.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Could of been the Sci-fi set, could of been the rumoured psychic weapon set that Yin uses, nope its an out of date pop culture reference. Family guy would be proud. |
FWIW, just saw them both on live and they do appear a little larger than before. Enough so that I didn't mind throwing a few points at them as I have two existing characters that could make use of them as decoration. Hopefully, ideally, my use of points (more particularly the extra lump sums I've spent on points) can be used to help develop some of the stuff I more deeply desire:
- Costume packs the caliber of the upcoming Retro Sci Fi
- Alternate power animations for classic animations
- A dual aura system
- "Armpit" capes/geometry/wings
- Revamped silver and golden age core costume bits
- Generic reflective costume tights
- Generic glowing tights
- MM minion customization
- Power pool customization
- New MM sets: Dinosaurs, Prehistoric Animals, Clowns (or customization options to decorate our thugs, mercs or ninjas clownishly, including the shoes!), Ice Sculptures
- etc. etc.
But for now, meh, a few points on another decoration: why not, I suppose?
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I don't think it really is his favorite thing ever -- he was quoting the movie to give us an oblique hint without Marketing jumping all over him.|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
From now on I'm going to have to treat everything Zwill says with intense doldrum, if this is his favourite thing in the market ever. He comes along stoking people for todays release... and it turns out to be a pop culture reference to a film that failed in its intent to become a cult classic.
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Or maybe just cause he likes riddles and teasing us.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
I have my doubts about Marketing though.
I mean how hard can it be to put a calendar on the website, even Cryptic maanged that? |
Can you imagine the RAGE if they had been saying that Staff Fighting would be released on 4/3, and then had to move the date at the last minute because there was a problem discovered?
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It shouldn't. If memory serves, Black Pebble said there was about a 24-48 hour grace period for a lapsed account to re-sub before they would be excluded from the loyalty rewards. So as long as you cancelled and re-subbed right away, you should be fine.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
We already know that there's a bundle of "loyalty stuff" coming out on the 18th, that's your anniversary release right there. Staff will probably come out later this month as well, but that's more of a coincidence than anything.
Ha, damn it! I cancelled and re-subbed to change billing information between December first and March thirty first. I wonder if that screws me out of the bundle or if the important factor was that I didn't let my subscription lapse? |
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Considering the number of people already unhappy that it just didn't come out today? I'd say the forums would be aflame...
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Originally Posted by Codewalker
I don't think it really is his favorite thing ever -- he was quoting the movie to give us an oblique hint without Marketing jumping all over him.
Or maybe just cause he likes riddles and teasing us. While IMO they should give us a calender either for the current month or announce things a month ahead of time, I can kind of see why they don't. Can you imagine the RAGE if they had been saying that Staff Fighting would be released on 4/3, and then had to move the date at the last minute because there was a problem discovered? |
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I realize there is disappointment and impatience for staff-ophiles in that they still have to wait.
But what Paragon is doing is fully supporting a new powerset -- Beast Mastery. All the MM IOs are on sale as Attuned SBEs, Coyote travel power, German Shepherd vanity pet, recent sales of Animal pack and Barbarian pack, etc...
They got the doggie rigs out, now they're rolling out the kitty rigs.
And I hate to be a downer for you staffers... but the Panther Stealth travel power was on Beta, so, good chance that will be next week to round out the beastly stuff.
As far as I know, there were no rigs available on Beta for Tiger and Domestic Cat forms... so, at least that shouldn't hold off Staff.
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People are misconstruing his words. He said that todays offering was his personal favorite. He maid no claims about what it was or what it's powerlevel or usefulness might be, NOR did he make any claims about whether others would or wouldn't like it.|
Originally Posted by ShadowMoka
It's just really frustrating to hear "No staff tomorrow but oh man you guys are going to LOVE this!...It's the most infamous type of item in the game!"
If we simply got a "No staff tomorrow " I'd be more "Well okay " than turning into the hulk. |
And just or reference, I have never, and will never buy a vanity pet; and I want Staff Fighting very much. Even still I'm not going to whine and complain about pets because I can appreciate that while I might not like them others do.
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That's part of the problem. We don't know what's coming and when this happens...|
Originally Posted by Oathbound
And just or reference, I have never, and will never buy a vanity pet; and I want Staff Fighting very much. Even still I'm not going to whine and complain about pets because I can appreciate that while I might not like them others do. |
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
From now on I'm going to have to treat everything Zwill says with intense doldrum, if this is his favourite thing in the market ever. He comes along stoking people for todays release... and it turns out to be a pop culture reference to a film that failed in its intent to become a cult classic.
Could of been the Sci-fi set, could of been the rumoured psychic weapon set that Yin uses, nope its an out of date pop culture reference. Family guy would be proud. |
I'm also not exactly reconstructing his words. It's just when you throw out "It's my personal favorite" it's usually not the most disliked type of item for your players.
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"It's out anniversary and to celebrate you get to buy stuff!" just seems a bit lame of a theme.
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