A worrying realization from Prometheus..(spoilerish)
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Posted on: 2012-03-22 06:17 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Wait, what organization?
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Originally Posted by Night_Watcher
This makes them quite dangerous, and is the reason why my organization watches all attempts to 'ascend' in this way closely.
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That's an interesting question. Another one is: when he's talking to you, those two angels flanking him start giving him unhappy looks, and Prometheus starts getting nervous and rather angry with you. This is not a line of questioning he likes you broaching with him... and neither do his friends.|
Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
Wait, what organization?
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Or are they his minders?
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Although, with the last Spring Fling, we got a wink that DJ Zero is an avatar of the power of Cupid. So... ordinary Incarnate or Full-Out-Well-Eating-Incarnate?
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The developers. Essentially, Prometheus is acting as a mouthpiece for the devs, replying to player complains about stuff like wanting true godlike power, why Mot and Rularuu are the 'real' gods while we get wrecked by TPN rocks and in general why we are Prometheus' lackey.|
Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
Wait, what organization?
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
this is not the Prometheus I was looking for
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Originally Posted by Codewalker
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this was the Prometheus I was expecting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHcHYisZFLU
Taskmaster Gabriel also appears to be a memeber of Prometheus's organization, going by his angelic name and appearance.
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That might be Tyrant's ultimate goal - not only would it weaken the resistance to him, it'd also make the people have to genuinely rely on him for protection, and it'd also let him break free of the Well.
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Originally Posted by Night_Watcher
Prometheus also mentions that for one to ascend, they would take a large portion of their race's Force Potential with them, weakening the others.
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You say that now, but in a year you'll just be saying J_B ascended to an even higher level than King.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
You really are the king of "can't let stuff go".
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Wasn't it fairly implicit that's where all the magic users and supers that "go overseas" are going? I mean, take them out, their power goes back to the Well.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That might be Tyrant's ultimate goal - not only would it weaken the resistance to him, it'd also make the people have to genuinely rely on him for protection, and it'd also let him break free of the Well.
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Of course, that's contradictory to what was said about power in as recently as Vincent Ross's arc: that power can't be destroyed, only more of it created. If that was true, 'Force Potential' loss wouldn't happen, since it's infinite. Or it'd be only temporary.
But really, at point this Prometheus has had us running around like lackeys, he's held back information, disrespected us, threatened us...it's not far fetched to think he's outright lying to us about this and other things.
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By now, Tyrant is completely reliant on the well, cut it off him and he'd be at a loss to do anything. There is a lot more other info Prometheus gives you through the conversation trees as well, but copypasting it all in here would take up a page or a few
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
That might be Tyrant's ultimate goal - not only would it weaken the resistance to him, it'd also make the people have to genuinely rely on him for protection, and it'd also let him break free of the Well.
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You know, everyone assumes we're headed for this grand finale fight against Tyrant.
It would be a great twist if we fight our way up his tower, past thousands of guards, only to find him sitting in his private movie theater, naked, watching Ice Station Zebra on a continual loop.
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The new Hami-Os: Promi-Os, with names like "Toenail Clippings," "Hair Packets," and even less appetizing things than that.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
You know, everyone assumes we're headed for this grand finale fight against Tyrant.
It would be a great twist if we fight our way up his tower, past thousands of guards, only to find him sitting in his private movie theater, naked, watching Ice Station Zebra on a continual loop. |
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It wouldn't be destoryed - becoming ascended would just mean that one entity had absorbed the force potential of other members of its species -so it Tyrant ascended, he'd absorb power form the rest of Praetoria, weakening the people there.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Wasn't it fairly implicit that's where all the magic users and supers that "go overseas" are going? I mean, take them out, their power goes back to the Well.
Of course, that's contradictory to what was said about power in as recently as Vincent Ross's arc: that power can't be destroyed, only more of it created. If that was true, 'Force Potential' loss wouldn't happen, since it's infinite. Or it'd be only temporary. |
Or, if the Well of each species is linked accross the dimesnions, then Tyrant ascending would drain power from every single human in the mutliverse.
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And this time the gunslinger fled across the desert.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
You know, everyone assumes we're headed for this grand finale fight against Tyrant.
It would be a great twist if we fight our way up his tower, past thousands of guards, only to find him sitting in his private movie theater, naked, watching Ice Station Zebra on a continual loop. |
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Given Prometheus was involved, the first thing that came to my mind with Promi-Os and body parts was the line "Eat your liver, it's good for you!".
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Originally Posted by GlassGoblin
The new Hami-Os: Promi-Os, with names like "Toenail Clippings," "Hair Packets," and even less appetizing things than that.
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And Primal earth, too, since Prometheus does make it explicit somewhere in his huge wall of dialogue that the Well is trans-dimensional, linking the potential of that species across the entire multiverse.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It wouldn't be destoryed - becoming ascended would just mean that one entity had absorbed the force potential of other members of its species -so it Tyrant ascended, he'd absorb power form the rest of Praetoria, weakening the people there.
Or, if the Well of each species is linked accross the dimesnions, then Tyrant ascending would drain power from every single human in the mutliverse. |
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Yeah, but them taking it shouldn't matter because more power can be created.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It wouldn't be destoryed - becoming ascended would just mean that one entity had absorbed the force potential of other members of its species -so it Tyrant ascended, he'd absorb power form the rest of Praetoria, weakening the people there.
Or, if the Well of each species is linked accross the dimesnions, then Tyrant ascending would drain power from every single human in the mutliverse. |
If not, personally, I think it should stay contained to the Praetorian Earth. That way you could establish why dimensions like the real world exist:
We don't have super powered beings because some jerk stole all our Force Potential and ran off to make his own dimension. The best we can manage now are these guys:
http://www.cracked.com/article_16449...perpowers.html
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I don't think all of the magic users are sent overseas just because they use magic. Transmuter was a part of Powers Division until Reese got all Reesey on him. We don't really know what's up with the other magic-using mirrors of the signature characters over in Praetoria yet except for Diabolique. All we do know is that Cole must have a tight grip on the use of magic in the city; anyone else who doesn't play along gets sent to play with the Hamidon instead.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Wasn't it fairly implicit that's where all the magic users and supers that "go overseas" are going?
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I mean, take them out, their power goes back to the Well. Of course, that's contradictory to what was said about power in as recently as Vincent Ross's arc: that power can't be destroyed, only more of it created. |
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It wouldn't be destoryed - becoming ascended would just mean that one entity had absorbed the force potential of other members of its species -so it Tyrant ascended, he'd absorb power form the rest of Praetoria, weakening the people there.
Or, if the Well of each species is linked accross the dimesnions, then Tyrant ascending would drain power from every single human in the mutliverse. |
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Yeah, but them taking it shouldn't matter because more power can be created.
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I saw the title to this thread and immediately assumed [for some reason] that it was concerning the movie Prometheus. In which case I should NOT have clicked on it, because I already know more about it than I want to know; people posting plot-synopsises in the comments on YouTube for the lose! Damn it....
But yeah, if DJ Zero is a god then why hasn't he teleported Daft Punk in there for some new tunes, I'll never understand. A god needs control over more than one song.... or so saith I.
I think hamidon is a well as well. When talking with Prometheus about Tyrant and Hami he says "Noone can destroy Hamidon" and it was with a certainty exceeds reason he even implies although I forgot full wording that even if Tyrant becomes Well's champion he can't destroy hamidon truly.
In DiB we also have some clues from a shivan that their well (mother) was absorbed by (or controlled) whatever is controlling battalion.
Also I doubt Prometheus himself is a well. If he was he wouldn't bother with our well and would try to protect himself by choosing his own champion among his own race. From what I understand about Prometheus' words that he can hunt and kill a newly ascended well or anyone tries to ascend. In this manner I think their organisation have means and powers that can kill a well but not a well seemingly omnipotent powers of creation.
Also Prometheus talks about our well with a great hatred and grudge. My assumption that when Prometheus assigned to watch our well, he saw wells chosens were ignoring rest of the race and decided to help them a little. At that time well didn't like this and empowered his best chosen Zeus to imprision Prometheus and tortured him. During this time Prometheus couldn't oversee other races as well and Rularuu ascended. Someone from organisation came to check only to find Prometheus imprisoned and tortured. Freed Prometheus along with organisation wiped out wells choosens but couldn't touch well itself since it means destruction of all humans in all dimensions and I guess organisation didn't want that. At least that is my 2 cent.
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Well, no what I meant was that there's a distinct lack of magic users in Praetoria. First Ward only partially accounts for that. There's a pretty clear indication that Tyrant seizes and/or destroys magical power granting artifacts if he can.|
Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue
I don't think all of the magic users are sent overseas just because they use magic. Transmuter was a part of Powers Division until Reese got all Reesey on him. We don't really know what's up with the other magic-using mirrors of the signature characters over in Praetoria yet except for Diabolique. All we do know is that Cole must have a tight grip on the use of magic in the city; anyone else who doesn't play along gets sent to play with the Hamidon instead.
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And supers of all sorts end up being "sent overseas" never to be heard from again. The implication I'm seeing is that Tyrant is rounding up powered people and eliminating them, both because they're a threat to him/potential asset to the resistance, and because without them that's more Well power for himself.
IIRC, it was said directly that the number of people in Powers Division and the number of people applying to it, was dropping, as if people with powers were becoming rarer.
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I think the devs did try to scale our expectations for the incarnate system, though, way back at the beginning.
Remember Mender Ramiel's story arc? There was this big deal about the difference between becoming an Incarnate all at once like Statesman and many others did, and the so-called "slow path". That's the explanation for why we have to grind Incarnate XP and Incarnate components - we're incrementally moving ourselves closer and closer to godhood, but we're still incredibly far away.
this is not the Prometheus I was looking for