A worrying realization from Prometheus..(spoilerish)

Really, the lore for the Incarnate system is so horribad I haven't even bothered to keep up on the Prometheus updates. It reads like something my friends and I would have been ashamed of writing for our D&D campaigns in 1979.

It was heavily implied during the new Valentine's Day mish that DJ Zero is the entity formerly known as Eros, God of Love. FWIW.

sure it is

Even as a lore junky, I gave up on reading anything Papa Smurf says ages ago. To do so just makes me despair over the state of the endgame storyline. Despite the general improvement in writing in tip missions and new arcs, every time Prommy opens his mouth to utter another retcon I just think, "After five years of build up and backstory, this is the best they could come up with?"

I expect soon enough we'll find out that the Midnighters didn't really create the Shadow Shard, they had to get some Ascended guy to do it for them, probably DJ Zero back when he was the Dream Doctor's sidekick and before he decided to give it all up in favour of floating in his nightclub listening to the same track over and over. Seriously, I wouldn't put it past them by this point.

*Sigh*

As much as I'd like to join to pile-on in progress against the writing, I can't, not because I particularly like the Praetorian storyline thus far, but because of how easy it is to write better scenarios when you aren't hindered by production schedules, marketing considerations, system mechanics, ill-documented continuity, and the myriad other considerations that come with MMO content creation.

Because I am old, I remember clearly the frenzied discussion among the nascent Star Wars fandom after Empire was released in 1980. After Luke falls and Ben calls it for the dark side, Yoda cryptically mumbles "there is another." For three years we all huddled over our Mountain Dew and Doritos, arguing about who this mysterious "other" might be. When it was finally revealed a mighty "WTF, Lucas?!" was heard across the land. We had come up with a thousand better plots than that!

Of course, we had three years to do nothing but putz around and come up with theories about a pulp-ish movie. There may have been a month or so after the release of Empire before the script had to be completed for the start of shooting on Jedi. Of course we were going to come up with better ideas -- we were a million monkeys at our typewriters.

So yes, there are lots of ways that the Incarnate/end-game scenarios could be improved. Heck, just typing this up I thought about how easy it would be to throw in a reference to how the approach of the Battallion has been leaching away the Big Names' power for years, explaining why Statesman was able to punch holes in Rikti ships during the first war, but today gets one-shotted by a trumped up clown in a trenchcoat. And I have no doubt that many veterans of a literary bent could do (and have done) much better.

So complain all you want, and I'll continue to join in. But also give consideration that here on the forums we're still monkeys in front of keyboards operating without constraints, and try not to be outright nasty and insulting to the writers.

That said, those TPN rocks? I don't know I'll ever be able to swallow that.

While you have a good point about the writing, GlassGoblin, I still say that if there's not a "Lord Recluse is very upset with you" moment at Darrin Wade, they missed something truly obvious.

Some of the early post where pretty good in this thread then it devolved into mostly complaints about not feeling super man enough.

Id agree that just about any NPC described as creating thier own world or dimension in anyway is a great canidate to suspect of being ascended.

As some may recall in Lore, all gods started as nothing more then natural spirits who learned to feed on the emotions of sentient races. How old humanity is still hasnt been clarified fully in cox lore, and even is debated in RL especially among the occult/conspiracy groups which are not an atypical source of ideas for comics and movies.

Nowhere in lore have they ever supported the existance of a god in the grand cosmic made all of existance sense of it. I myself assumed it was the Dream Doctor who made the shadow shard with the help of the other founding icons of the Midnighters like Bentley Berkely or our resident The Shadow wannabe hanging out in RWZ. An immortal and a plane walker working with a master of the astral/ethereal sounds like a viable group capable of making the shard.

Beings like Mot and Tielekku are as far as I can tell younger then the human race, and in ways just leeches getting fat off of the latent psyich energy of us all. It may be the Wells do the same, and now apparently being keyed into races the question remains is the Well statesman was bonded to the Well of Humanity, the Well of Earth, or a portal to another race, one that like kheldians preys upon humans needing our bodies as host. I often joked in RP that whatever Zeus is, it is like a grand daddy space squid.

For fellow fans of the Wild C.A.T.S comics you may recall the main evil alien species was all about searching the galaxy for the most powerful beings to take possession of to further thier power.

Granted invasion of the body snatchers is an old plot, but a good one and frightening. The question is should the heroes of Paragon trust any being that does this. Have we made ourselves vulnerable by allowing PB PPD?

How does our choice to open our arms to the Kheldians impact our future when we know the fate of thier entire race is doomed.

Finally we know Twilight son is the last kheldian in the future, new lore suggest being the last could allow one to take up considerable FORCE or some such, could that little squid ******* being a Ascended in sheeps clothing, COuld he actually be possessing Silos even someone?

Keep the conspiracy alive!

On a side note. I simply dont bother with content that feels wrong for a given character, If my character is supposed to be super human then I ignore content with them where those things capable of threatening me seem to mundane.

Case in point. Those silly rocks, granted O concur that the debuffs are the logical reason they can hurt even so called god like beings. However I much prefer to tailor my experiance based on my characters concept and so pick and choose what I do with each one. I dont see any reason or need to play all content with all character.

So although I feel for those embarassed when they drop to a mob stoning them, I equally feel you could easily not run that trial with that specific character. No reason to rush character progress to the point you make yourself angry with the game.

then on the other side of the coin

"blah blah blah, not enough content, blah blah blah"

Back to the original discussion. I happened to notice this today, on the Info tab for Daedalus.

"Daedalus is the finest crafter these ancient times have ever seen. His gift borders on Celestial, but is in fact simply his own genius at work."

Celestial is referenced a few times in Cimerora, and then there's the costume set. If it isn't another dropped bit of lore, I wonder where Celestial fits into the divine power ladder.

1. Standard Supers
2. Incarnates
3. The Ascended
4. Profit?