Protip: SBE Decimation Build-Up proc


 

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With the new ATO/SATOs recently released, I've been very interested by the new PPM (procs per minute) formula being used in them and also in the SBE (store-bought enhancement) attuned versions of IO procs found in the Paragon Store. Unfortunately, the description in the store does not give you a detailed description on each proc so I ended up spending my own points in the name of research! Interestingly enough, I stumbled across a very interesting find.



Proc to build-up? Sounds nice, would definitely be nice to have +80% dmg and +20 to-hit for free, but the IO only has a 5% of this happening. That stinks! I wonder if this new PPM version will be any better?

For those that aren't familiar with the PPM formula, it calculates the proc chance based off recharge instead of a flat %. The intention is to slot procs in powers you like to use and not just quick spam T1 attacks. The community accepted formula used for single target attacks is as follows:

[Base Recharge / 60 (secs in a min)] x PPM

So if your AR blaster slots Decimation Build-Up in Burst the formula is: (4/60) x 1 = .066 or 6.6%

Already an improvement over Decimation Build-Up's normal IO chance of 5%. Pretty cool! Keep in mind that this is calculating off base recharge and not actual recharge after slotting and perma-hasten, etc.. BASE RECHARGE! Of course, as we look at higher recharge powers, things get pretty awesome.

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Recharge - Proc Chance - Power Types

4s - 6.6% - T1 blasts/immobs: Burst, Ring of Fire, Ice Bolt, already higher than normal proc %
8s - 13.3% - T2 blasts/holds: Slug, Lightning Bolt, Block of Ice
10s- 16.6% - T3 blasts: Blaze, Freeze Ray, Executioner Shot
12s- 20.0% - Brute PPP Gloom, Dom Blaze
20s- 33.3% - Ranged stuns: Beanbag, Stunning Shot, Taser, Screech
32s- 53.3% - Melee AT APP/PPP holds: Soul Storm, Char, Shark Jaws
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So using the SBE version of Decimation Build-Up... your Fire Corr will have a 16.6% build-up chance on every Blaze spam. Your Brute will have a 20% chance every time they hit Gloom. Your sonic blaster will have a 33% chance when using Screech. Your newly super-powered I22 Stalker will have a 53.3% chance for build-up on every Soul Storm!!! Soul Storm: Decent damage, mag 3 hold, AND a 53% chance for +80% dmg/+20% to-hit? Yes, please!


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My mind is blown.

I started thinking about store procs ever since I saw the explanation Arbiter Hawk gave us regarding Stalker ATE/ATO procs along with store procs. I had never really thought about it before and always regarded them as inferior to crafted procs. My Ice Blaster uses a store Lockdown hold proc in Bitter Freeze Ray which seems to fire fairly consistantly despite the 2PPM.

Finding a place for store Decimation build-up proc will be fun on a lot of my favorite alts.


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Yeah, Bitter Freeze Ray at 2PPM is giving you a 66% proc chance. Pretty awesome. Heck, I think you can even slot the Devastation chance for hold in there too. It's a 2.5 PPM or 83% chance to proc.

A lot of the dmg procs come in a 3 PPM flavor so a 20sec recharge will give them a 100% proc chance. Energy Melee has 3 single target melee attacks at 20sec recharge so I'm gonna try to make a proc heavy EM stalker. The issue with procs was always the inconsistency, but if we're now talking about guaranteed damage, this changes things quite a bit.


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Nice find. Up until now I have completely ignored the SBEs, but this is pretty cool. Not sure if I will actually get any of them, but it is certainly an interesting avenue to look into.

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your Fire Dom will have a 16.6% build-up chance on every Blaze spam.
Dom Blaze has a 12s base recharge unlike all other versions of Blaze, so that would be a 20% chance.


 

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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi View Post
Nice find. Up until now I have completely ignored the SBEs, but this is pretty cool. Not sure if I will actually get any of them, but it is certainly an interesting avenue to look into.



Dom Blaze has a 12s base recharge unlike all other versions of Blaze, so that would be a 20% chance.
You're totally right. I was looking at the Blaster version. That's pretty nasty!


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They haven't done Gaussians set yet have they? Cause the BU proc from that, if they follow trend @ 1 PPM, would be 100% proc rate in any BU or Aim power lol.


 

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They haven't done Gaussians set yet have they? Cause the BU proc from that, if they follow trend @ 1 PPM, would be 100% proc rate in any BU or Aim power lol.
Haha, I'm gonna have to get one to try out if that's the case. A couple of my softcapped alts use a full set of Gaussian, and I just consider the proc as a bonus if it hits. Having something which will ALWAYS proc is just... :3


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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi View Post
They haven't done Gaussians set yet have they? Cause the BU proc from that, if they follow trend @ 1 PPM, would be 100% proc rate in any BU or Aim power lol.
Suddenly a KM stalker using their ATO proc to guarantee crits on Concentrated Strike and have Build Up recharged instantly every 10 seconds or so sounds like a terrific idea.


 

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"Suddenly" because it isn't already a terrific idea?


 

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Oh, it is. But double almost-always build up as opposed to regular almost-always build up may have just sold me on the idea.

edit: If they ever decide to do that, that is.


 

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A quick question: do the bonuses still apply with a mix of SBE and pieces created through invention? I'd imagine so, but I'd like to know in advance.


 

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A quick question: do the bonuses still apply with a mix of SBE and pieces created through invention?
Yep!


 

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Well, this will require a bit of slot shifting, but I think I'll put this in Blaze on my dom. Between this and the dom proc, she's should be seeing a nice boost in damage.


 

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Now that's interesting. Let's have a look at some of the other procs from the store.

Performance Shifter: Chance for +End is at 3ppm.

If it counts the every 10 seconds trigger possibility in Stamina, that should be roughly... 50% chance?!

...that can't be right. Can it?

Swiftly slapping it in Stamina on a character, it does indeed seem to be going off half the time, rather than the 20% of the regular version! Great success!

Now onwards, for glory.

Theft of Essence +End, say. It goes in Dark Regeneration, of course, so let's see how that works out.

3ppm, 30 second base recharge... 150%?!? Guaranteed endurance back?!

Let's give it a spin... aw. It actually mentions a 20% chance right in the description, and it seems to hold up in practice. No guaranteed free Dark Regeneration. Still, one good find!


 

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So the Paragon Market is now appealing to min maxers even more :P

So what else is worth slotting, do you know?


 

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So if you put the Gussian Proc in buildup, it's a guaranteed double build up each time?


 

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Originally Posted by Dz131 View Post
So if you put the Gussian Proc in buildup, it's a guaranteed double build up each time?
If/when the Gaussian proc goes on the market, and if it's a PPM proc, theoretically, yes.


 

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Originally Posted by Trilby View Post
So the Paragon Market is now appealing to min maxers even more :P

So what else is worth slotting, do you know?
Pick any proc with an effect you find interesting. If it exists, look into its PPM as a store-bought enhancement. If it doesn't exist, you can probably make an educated guess about what its PPM might be should they create it as an SBE. Any power with a base recharge time equal to or greater than 60/PPM will have a 100% chance of the proc going off in it, when slotted in a single-target power. (AoEs are more complicated, and we don't know the exact formula.)


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Let's see what more we have.

Kinetic Combat: Chance for KD is 2.5 PPM - this means we need a recharge of 24 seconds to guarantee it firing. Sadly, not many attacks match our requirements, and most that do already have knockup.

Some pool powers - like Defender Total Focus, or Controller Seismic Smash - could use it, but it's not something to build around.

Anyway, we have... Debilitative Action: Chance to Stun, among the immobilise sets. It has a rather low 1 PPM, but let's see if we can find somewhere to slot it...

The patron immobilises seems solid enough - 33% chance to stun any minions you hit. Jamming it in Mud Pots might also be handy, I guess.

Not much fun there, sadly.


 

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Originally Posted by Calhou View Post
Anyway, we have... Debilitative Action: Chance to Stun, among the immobilise sets. It has a rather low 1 PPM, but let's see if we can find somewhere to slot it...

The patron immobilises seems solid enough - 33% chance to stun any minions you hit. Jamming it in Mud Pots might also be handy, I guess.

Not much fun there, sadly.
Don't forget the proc rate drops when put into an AoE. My Dominator proc was insanely low in Crushing Field, but Subdue (same recharge, but it's single target) carries roughly a 40% (a little over 50% when I catalyse) proc rate.


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Performance Shifter: Chance for +End is at 3ppm.

If it counts the every 10 seconds trigger possibility in Stamina, that should be roughly... 50% chance?!

...that can't be right. Can it?
Synapse says it's overperforming:

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Hey all. This is an unintended benefit. I'll take a look at this today.

Regards,
Synapse


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Synapse says it's overperforming:
Glad I saw this before I used any points. Thanks for the heads up.


 

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Also - Just checked on beta, the lockdown proc is set for 2PPM, so if placed in a Patron hold will be a guaranteed Mag 5 hold for 8 seconds.


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Hopefully Synapse nerfs this pretty hard before people get too attached to it. It would kind of suck if they had to consider guaranteed double build up as a given for future balance decisions.


 

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That's a ridiculous difference from the regular non-paragon IO's. More pay2win stuff, I guess.


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So they selling better IOs on the market then I can buy in game now sigh

What happened to just a convenience option for people that want to save time?