So...Statesman's Crotch
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Posted on: 2012-03-07 14:29 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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My question is....why is it....flat?
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Originally Posted by Judas_Ace
Why exactly is it in my face?
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Dude, calm down on the baseless assumptions.
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Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
Dude, calm down with the gay panic.
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I wouldn't necessarily say divided. I mean, my personal reaction was more a combination "My goodness, that's an eyecatching composition...wait, there's something missing here."
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Originally Posted by Tormentoso
I just want to say that I am happy that this community is divided between "ah!! crotch in my face!! It burns!!!" and "hmm, there's nothing in there... that's odd..."
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Really. Men live in terror that someone will accuse them of liking it, because if that happens, they lose all of their heterosexual male privilege. If someone catches me looking at a crotch, they'll feel entitled to treat me the way they treat gay men, and all women, so I don't dare risk that.|
Originally Posted by Lycantropus
Thank you. You have no idea how irritated I am over this kind of overreaction to stuff like this, and the focus people put on such things. ...
Full frontal nudity on a female "OH cool hur hur"! Full frontal nudity on a guy and people overreact and the news talks about it for a week... Really? |
After all, just by existing, this splash screen is already treating them the way the comic book genre treats women. (See also: Shortpacked.com, "False Equivalence".)
You know as well as I do that this is what's going on.
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Ohhh... how little you actually do know.
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Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
You know as well as I do that this is what's going on.
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I was seriously considering that picture for my new CoH login screen. Glad to see someone else enjoys it too. |
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Dude, you don't remember much about last night, do you.|
Originally Posted by Judas_Ace
Why exactly is it in my face?
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Originally Posted by Bright
It still looks very Flasheart to me... "Where HAVEN'T I been!"
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Humor aside (for a brief moment), I don't have any problems with the picture (Although, if I was Statesman's girlfriend, it'd be a completely different story - b'dum pshhh).
Also, Has anyone theorized that there is a knock against Emmert involved here?
*runs away*
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Is that what the new login screen looks like? 
I long ago decided, when logging and zoning,
that I preferred to see my own artwork.
The new "StatesCrotch" screen isn't doing much
to change my mind (no offense DN ).
I feel like giving the poor guy a sock.
Then again, I remember the freak outs I've seen about when Alex Ross draws what men really look like in spandex.
In the room the women come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.
Ummm, ChristopherRobin, please share with the class. How do we replace that image with something more to our liking?
Be well, people of CoH.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Ummm, ChristopherRobin, please share with the class. How do we replace that image with something more to our liking?
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I think my screen would be much improved with this (although I actually like the States pic):
pictured: My characters Xuan Xuan and Dropbear. Natural enemies.
In the room the women come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.
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My eyes were drawn immediately to the star. They still are when I start up the game, despite suggestions that the crotch is omnipresent. |
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Okay. I'm going to try to treat this topic as seriously as possible. I am an actual artist, not a great one, but I do have some training. Much about this image pulls your eye to Statesman's groin. That seems to be inadvertent artistically.
If you look at the art almost all the lines go to Statesman's Star chest, the intended focal point of the piece. So the image can read as the star exploding in rays. This is enhanced by the lines of the cape. Unfortunately the saturation of the light is changed slightly in the screen (at least on my comp) and the man's crotch is better lit than it should be. Two very powerful lines (the legs) could be read to emphasize the Star, but unfortunately also emphasize the crotch. Which is no longer shadowy, nor is the star as bright (exploding!) as I have seen in some concept art for the image. So, competing point of interest. Since the groin is not in shadow, Statesman's "problem" becomes apparent. He has no bulge. None. We are talking Ken crotch here. Once seen, it cannot be unseen. And in the way of the human mind, anytime something is "wrong" it grabs your attention. So, the star loses in the focal point battle. Statesman's well illuminated and physiologically improbable missing genitalia win. So, look forward to that jarring image glaring at you until i23. |
My monitor is positioned such that I look slightly down on it. Many computer desk setups leave the monitor positioned such that one is looking up at it, which might change where one's eyes are drawn. However, in either case the star is blazing white surrounded by the dark and somewhat desaturated costume so it should still have the stronger pull. The secondary characteristics that should jump out are the face and the belt.
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Farewell is like the end
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And there you'll always be
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Hmmm, if only there were already a thread in the Multi-media section (not my New Artz thread|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Ummm, ChristopherRobin, please share with the class. How do we replace that image with something more to our liking?
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although that is pretty awesome too
) about custom login screens.
Yea, my load screen is prettier!
Ahh, same principle as silenced sounds. Danke.
Edit: Well that's certainly a perky image, Sapphic_Neko.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Indeed. Appears to be a bit chilly...
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Ahh, same principle as silenced sounds. Danke.
Edit: Well that's certainly a perky image, Sapphic_Neko. |
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Guess I'm weird in thinking the new splash is pretty good? The strangest bit is having a dead guy on the splash, honestly. But whatever. It's a standard Heroic Pose with a low camera angle to emphasise the character's power. The style makes me think of Mr. Incredible, and that's never a bad thing.
This thread is pretty hilarious though. I'm all for further discussion of the Statespackage.
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Oh DesBooty... how I miss you.
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Originally Posted by Scythus
Yep, we've gone from Statesmongler to Statescrotch. Awesome, eh?
I miss my Going Rogue screen. |
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I think that's definitely a part of it. My monitor is raised up, and State's crotch is pretty much smack where my eye line naturally rests. Plus, it's level with the log-in fields, which is where most people will be looking when they're logging in.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
My monitor is positioned such that I look slightly down on it. Many computer desk setups leave the monitor positioned such that one is looking up at it, which might change where one's eyes are drawn.
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Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
You know as well as I do that this is what's going on.
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Or, you know. Probably not.
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Yeah, my beef is with the nonexistant male bits. States looks like a woman from the belt down. Really, cover the top half of him when you're zoning. All woman.
Anyway, a PP was right that when people notice something 'wrong' all attention goes to the wrong thing. Male top with female bottom? Eyes drawn to crotch. Doesn't matter if the star has a hypnosis spiral moving in it, once you see the female bottom, that's where you look.
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Dunno about anyone else, but to me that image says : "City of Heroes: Freedom is Magic". |
Originally Posted by AlienOne
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I wish I could use a different background :/
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This makes me laugh. I am an artist, and a guy, and straight. I hang with an eclectic crowd. I have gay friends. Male/Female/Trans. I have painted male genitalia when we have live models. What, I am supposed to do the Statesman thing to some model who was kind enough to sit for the class? No way. Plus, if you don't attempt to paint, you learn nothing.|
Originally Posted by InfamousBrad
Really. Men live in terror that someone will accuse them of liking it, because if that happens, they lose all of their heterosexual male privilege. If someone catches me looking at a crotch, they'll feel entitled to treat me the way they treat gay men, and all women, so I don't dare risk that.
After all, just by existing, this splash screen is already treating them the way the comic book genre treats women. (See also: Shortpacked.com, "False Equivalence".) You know as well as I do that this is what's going on. |
What makes me laugh about this is the implication that if you notice male genitalia you should live in fear of being dominated by alpha males. I believe that is the, er thrust?, of that statement?
Oh, and an update on my critique of the Statesman wallpaper work yesterday. Further compounding the "problem" is the utility belt. This stops the eye from traveling up to the star. If your eye drops below the belt, it never goes back up. I saw one concept art where the dark was saturated at the waist, the shadows almost as dark as the black belt. This might have worked. Unfortunately, that got lost somewhere, and turning up the light on Statesmans midsection destroyed the compositional balance. When planning a painting you have to look at the way the human eye goes thru the piece. light, shadow, lines, human tendencies, they all come into play. Not sure if the original piece would have worked now that I see it like this, but the change to lighting the midsection just destroyed the work.
PS, can I get sapphic Neko's background. I'll be happy everytime I boot up CoH. Except of course for my wife smacking me in the back of the head everytime she walks by.
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