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Posted on: 2012-02-29 10:45 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
Samuel L. Jackson is playing Nick Fury? z0mg!
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Originally Posted by Innovator
Wow, you're late in the game aren't you?
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Originally Posted by Innovator
Wow, you're late in the game aren't you?
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Originally Posted by Agonus
For what it's worth, there is a new comic coming out about the 60's Avengers, but it's called Steed and Mrs Peel.My guess is that by now, Marvel/Marvel Studios/Disney have the naming rights for anything that could be called The Avengers locked up six ways from Sunday.
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Originally Posted by Agonus
Arad's position was a double edged sword for Marvel Studios. For all the random producer crap he was able to veto, he was also responsible for having Venom shoehorned into Spider-Man 3. But then again if Raimi had his way the movie would have focused on freaking Sandman..
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Random comments --
The trailer looks pretty awesome -- probably going to have to watch captain america and thor now.
RE: WW -- Joss Whedon tried to bring her to film, but wound up separating from the project.
RE: JLA -- I don't see it happening either. Anyone other than Christian Bale as Batman would be really difficult to sell // WW is non-existent // Superman is in a world of confusion (imho, Superman is either Christopher Reeve or Tom Welling).
I would love to see a big screen Superman movie with the guy from Smallville resuming the role as Lex Luthor.
The closest thing we've had to a team superhero movie so far have been the Fantastic Four films. Good, but not great. This is looking SO good.
We know from the Thor film that Loki was going after the cosmic cube. We know from the Captain America film that the cube was part of the Norse history in the movie universe. Does it have the power to bring forth the Midgard Serpent? Maybe. Or a close approximation. I would say the legends of the Serpent probably were less reality and more myth. Even so, this looks like a battle worthy of the team.
As to the JLA, I've always been a DC fan. The biggest problem with DC is they have no long term plans movie wise. They are not quick to act on their properties, and to come out with 3 or more good character movies involving the team frankly seems unlikely. By the time the got #3 out, the actor (actress) for #1 would have moved on long ago. A JLA movie is only going to fly if you have a 90% stable and familiar cast. I'd be impressed if they'd just do a World's Finest type team-up between Superman and Batman -- possibly as a lead to a JLA movie. We've never even seen that in live action yet...
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Originally Posted by CentralNexus
The closest thing we've had to a team superhero movie so far have been the Fantastic Four films. Good, but not great. This is looking SO good.
We know from the Thor film that Loki was going after the cosmic cube. We know from the Captain America film that the cube was part of the Norse history in the movie universe. Does it have the power to bring forth the Midgard Serpent? Maybe. Or a close approximation. I would say the legends of the Serpent probably were less reality and more myth. Even so, this looks like a battle worthy of the team. |
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Originally Posted by CentralNexus
The closest thing we've had to a team superhero movie so far have been the Fantastic Four films. Good, but not great. This is looking SO good.
We know from the Thor film that Loki was going after the cosmic cube. We know from the Captain America film that the cube was part of the Norse history in the movie universe. Does it have the power to bring forth the Midgard Serpent? Maybe. Or a close approximation. I would say the legends of the Serpent probably were less reality and more myth. Even so, this looks like a battle worthy of the team. As to the JLA, I've always been a DC fan. The biggest problem with DC is they have no long term plans movie wise. They are not quick to act on their properties, and to come out with 3 or more good character movies involving the team frankly seems unlikely. By the time the got #3 out, the actor (actress) for #1 would have moved on long ago. A JLA movie is only going to fly if you have a 90% stable and familiar cast. I'd be impressed if they'd just do a World's Finest type team-up between Superman and Batman -- possibly as a lead to a JLA movie. We've never even seen that in live action yet... |
Looking forward to this big time, but I still roll my eyes a bit every time I see that shot of the entire group as the camera spins around them, waiting for Iron Man to show up. You have Big Hulking Man, Big Hulking Man, little guy with a bow, Big Hulking Man, little girl with a pistol.
I know that Hawkeye and Black Widow are talented fighters, but they're still bringing rocks and sticks to an Epic-level fight. At least give her a bigger gun 
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Originally Posted by Shred_Monkey
OK OK... there is that one thing though, right? I can't be the only one who thinks this. The concept of a team comic superhero movie scares me a bit because generally I suspect they will spend too much time getting every charictor involved in the action and not enough time making us care about each one of them. Since we have the prequel movies, perhaps it'll be more forgivable here... but I've always had a fear that this movie will be a little too much like GI Joe or Transformers which basically was just about special effects with very little plot development. While, that can be fun, I really really want, instead is a truely great movie. I'll deflinatly see this movie... probably multiple times. But I suspect what I'd prefer to see is a well done Hulk movie... or perhaps a Thor Movie with other Heroes showing up as in a cameo. Joss Whedon name being attached does give me hope.
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| I know that Hawkeye and Black Widow are talented fighters, but they're still bringing rocks and sticks to an Epic-level fight |
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Looking forward to this big time, but I still roll my eyes a bit every time I see that shot of the entire group as the camera spins around them, waiting for Iron Man to show up. You have Big Hulking Man, Big Hulking Man, little guy with a bow, Big Hulking Man, little girl with a pistol.
I know that Hawkeye and Black Widow are talented fighters, but they're still bringing rocks and sticks to an Epic-level fight. At least give her a bigger gun |
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
I have a feeling that Hawkeye and Black Widow will be given moments of such badassery that the folks who are saying this now are going to be eating their words later.
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
I know that Hawkeye and Black Widow are talented fighters, but they're still bringing rocks and sticks to an Epic-level fight. At least give her a bigger gun
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Originally Posted by CentralNexus
...SKILL over Force/Tech/Power/etc. Don't count them out because they are essentially Natural Origin.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Holy #&#*&#^$*&^... I'm giddy like a school girl.
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Originally Posted by Shred_Monkey
OK OK... there is that one thing though, right? I can't be the only one who thinks this. The concept of a team comic superhero movie scares me a bit because generally I suspect they will spend too much time getting every charictor involved in the action and not enough time making us care about each one of them. Since we have the prequel movies, perhaps it'll be more forgivable here... but I've always had a fear that this movie will be a little too much like GI Joe or Transformers which basically was just about special effects with very little plot development. While, that can be fun, I really really want, instead is a truely great movie. I'll deflinatly see this movie... probably multiple times. But I suspect what I'd prefer to see is a well done Hulk movie... or perhaps a Thor Movie with other Heroes showing up as in a cameo. Joss Whedon name being attached does give me hope.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Joss Whedon is not known for directing anonymous characters with no personality. Even the trailer seems to suggest there are lots of dialog-heavy parts to the movie designed to showcase the characters.
As you say, we already have the prequels, we already know these characters. In fact I believe they recognized that an Avengers movie *couldn't* be made without all these prequels, specifically because we needed to get over the "origin of" parts of all the characters because it would slow things down too much. The trailer alone shows a confrontation between Loki and Stark, and Loki and Fury, and I think its going to be Loki that becomes the linchpin for the plot: it will ultimately be each of those characters having to face Loki, not just a big shootout. "How desperate you are that you that you call on such lost creatures to defend you?" That suggests to me that Loki has by then become familiar in some way with all of the Avengers. Fury is the one that brings them together, Loki will be the one that tries to rip them apart. That dynamic seems exactly up Whedon's alley. |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Joss Whedon is not known for directing anonymous characters with no personality. Even the trailer seems to suggest there are lots of dialog-heavy parts to the movie designed to showcase the characters.
As you say, we already have the prequels, we already know these characters. In fact I believe they recognized that an Avengers movie *couldn't* be made without all these prequels, specifically because we needed to get over the "origin of" parts of all the characters because it would slow things down too much. The trailer alone shows a confrontation between Loki and Stark, and Loki and Fury, and I think its going to be Loki that becomes the linchpin for the plot: it will ultimately be each of those characters having to face Loki, not just a big shootout. "How desperate you are that you that you call on such lost creatures to defend you?" That suggests to me that Loki has by then become familiar in some way with all of the Avengers. Fury is the one that brings them together, Loki will be the one that tries to rip them apart. That dynamic seems exactly up Whedon's alley. |
Can't wait for this movie, though I have to say, as much of a comic book geek,and reformed Marvel Zombie as I am, Prometheus is giving this a run for its money in the anticipation department.
As for a JLA movie, I'm not sure exactly how to voice this, but the biggest problem I see with the DC characters teaming up is they are all so powerful/infallible to begin with. It's no surprise to me that Batman has been the most sucessful DC franchise, because Batman is the most relatable of the DC heavy hitters. Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Superman, even Martian Manhunter - they are virtual gods. The menance that would be required to bring them all together would be so ridiculously improbable...
Well, like I said, it's hard for me to put into words, but I'll just say this - it's more "believable" to me for Iron Man to need help from Captain American, than Superman to need help from Batman.
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
Can't wait for this movie, though I have to say, as much of a comic book geek,and reformed Marvel Zombie as I am, Prometheus is giving this a run for its money in the anticipation department.
As for a JLA movie, I'm not sure exactly how to voice this, but the biggest problem I see with the DC characters teaming up is they are all so powerful/infallible to begin with. It's no surprise to me that Batman has been the most sucessful DC franchise, because Batman is the most relatable of the DC heavy hitters. Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Superman, even Martian Manhunter - they are virtual gods. The menance that would be required to bring them all together would be so ridiculously improbable... Well, like I said, it's hard for me to put into words, but I'll just say this - it's more "believable" to me for Iron Man to need help from Captain American, than Superman to need help from Batman. |
It's entirely possible the so called normals could save the day. JLU used that exact premise in the episode Initiation. Green Arrow's archery skills took down a creature that some of the big hitters couldn't touch.
The one thing I am really really hoping for in this movie is that Joss does the Captain America fighting better than the CA movie did. In my opinion Cap in action should have looked pretty much exactly like Blonsky did in his first confrontation with the Hulk.
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Originally Posted by Mandu
Green Arrow's archery skills took down a creature that some of the big hitters couldn't touch.
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I suspect the three way fight between Iron Man, Captain America and Thor comes about due to the whole "who's in command in the field" thing. I suspect it gets decided when Captain gets a hold of Mjolnir (mewmew) and can actually wield it, even if it's no more than picking it up and handing it to Thor. It's the only way I would expect Thor to accept him as the leader.
