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Arcanaville

 

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This isn't just rain. This is a flood of biblical proportions! This is "get purples and PvPs for every character you have now, and every character you will ever create".
What I don't get is the sense of excited urgency you seem to have about it. I mean, I don't struggle with getting them anyway. (Well, Purples. The only PvPOs I snag are the uniques, and I'm not convinced their price will come down much in the long term.) Why would I be excited about getting this new way, when I already get the ones I want, and the prices on the ones I use most is likely coming down?

Yeah, OK, I could (have) pay(ed) potentially a lot less for them, but ... I just can't get that excited over that when I don't struggle with it now.


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I don't have a particularly good reason not to be grabbing buckets and soup bowls... I like projects that work on two or more of my pet goals (more midlevel recipes, less inf in game, leveraging my personal inf destruction 2:1 or more, helping new players and new SGs, whatever else strikes my fancy) and this only works on the "less inf in game" project.


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What I don't get is the sense of excited urgency you seem to have about it. I mean, I don't struggle with getting them anyway. (Well, Purples. The only PvPOs I snag are the uniques, and I'm not convinced their price will come down much in the long term.) Why would I be excited about getting this new way, when I already get the ones I want, and the prices on the ones I use most is likely coming down?
This is pretty much why I passed on the purple-buying frenzy.

I've been playing for three and a half years. I have maybe 35 characters in total, only 25 of which are on the server I regularly play on. Eight of them are fifties. Only two of those fifties I actually still play. I already have a storage bin with about fifty purples in it that I haven't found a use for, yet, or needed to sell to fund my builds. I just don't really need any more.


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Can I have your stuff?


Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
I've moved on to Diablo 3, TopDoc-1304

 

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This isn't just rain. This is a flood of biblical proportions! This is "get purples and PvPs for every character you have now, and every character you will ever create".
Still, it's too time-consuming. I exemp a lot so I IO my toons with enhancements around level 35. It's not worth it to me, in terms of time spent, to IO them all over again once they hit 50. I've only done that for.... 4 toons.


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I guess it's apathy for me too. I have less than a dozen characters who have even a few individual Purple IOs slotted. Really, I'm only just coming around to seeing some use for the Hami-Os I've got stored (mainly the Def/End and Res/End ones). My builds are composed of just regular IO sets, nothing special or really optimized. So my C-ranked Inf bank roll is already more than I need.


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Still, it's too time-consuming. I exemp a lot so I IO my toons with enhancements around level 35. It's not worth it to me, in terms of time spent, to IO them all over again once they hit 50. I've only done that for.... 4 toons.
I'm mostly in this camp as well.

As a self-proclaimed poster child for frankenslotting most of my toons get
their shinies in the late 20's (typically L27/L28).

I only have two alts that have more than a single purple in them, and neither
of those are warshades...

I too, will also echo the sentiments of some others here - given that I have
20B+ already, and with the way I slot my toons, I need moar moneh??? Meh...

The only *active* marketeer I have these days is Granny, and she's only doing
that to chip into the 88's furnace now and then...

As an intellectual marketing project I'm quite interested in how this turns out, and
what pricing effects it has, but I don't feel inclined to leap on the bandwagon myself.


Regards,
4


PS> FWIW, I did cash in a few 3% procs at mkt value over the weekend.
I'm not sure prices will squeeze as much as TD believes, but I won't be
surprised if high-end prices drop somewhat (50% ???)


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Can I have your stuff?
Pthh. Just this thread alone seems to have woken up a substantial number of people to the idea based on recent market activity.

I'm beginning to think Topdoc's master plan is to get everyone excited about doing this, flood the market with this activity, cause a collapse of prices, get everyone disappointed at returns and abandon the strategy, and then clean up when the supply suddenly abates.

Or maybe he's infected all purple recipes with a nanovirus that will transfer all the character's funds to an offshore Rogue Isles account or something.


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I'm beginning to think Topdoc's master plan is to get everyone excited about doing this, flood the market with this activity, cause a collapse of prices, get everyone disappointed at returns and abandon the strategy, and then clean up when the supply suddenly abates.
I've been watching damage purple prices go a little nuts. There are lowball bids I meant to cancel before convertageddon made them "average" bids that have already filled as people dump their storage bins on the market. I've enjoyed re-listing those for a profit, of course.

There are some places where the speculation makes sense to me; I don't see a down-side to unloading my Glad Armor uniques at 2bn right now, when I know how easy it's going to be to replace them with the pile of Glad Armor end/rech I picked up as soon as converters were announced for 5-10 million each. And I don't know where that particular IO (at 50) will stabilize, but I'm guessing it won't be spitting distance of 2bn.


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I've been watching damage purple prices go a little nuts. There are lowball bids I meant to cancel before convertageddon made them "average" bids that have already filled as people dump their storage bins on the market. I've enjoyed re-listing those for a profit, of course.

There are some places where the speculation makes sense to me; I don't see a down-side to unloading my Glad Armor uniques at 2bn right now, when I know how easy it's going to be to replace them with the pile of Glad Armor end/rech I picked up as soon as converters were announced for 5-10 million each. And I don't know where that particul ar IO (at 50) will stabilize, but I'm guessing it won't be spitting distance of 2bn.
I did the same thing will all my pvp io procs. I dumped em for cap. I also got rid of my enzymes
at the the right time. Its been a great month on the market


 

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This isn't just rain. This is a flood of biblical proportions! This is "get purples and PvPs for every character you have now, and every character you will ever create".
Ehn.

As I said, in most of my builds, purps are dead weight, and I already HAVE all the pvp's I can eat.

However, if you make it to trillionaire status, I vote we have a meetup on Test and have us a mass teabagging emote to celebrate.

Heh, that'd be a fun screenshot.


 

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However, if you make it to trillionaire status, I vote we have a meetup on Test and have us a mass teabagging emote to celebrate.
If he makes it to trillionaire status, I'd have to make a new category in my survey.
Somehow, 100 Billion+ would be inadequate...

D*mn You TopDoc!!!


Cheers,
4


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I won't be hitting the trillion mark for a while. The market for expensive purples and PvPs is going down for a while when Enhancement Converters go live. There is a huge stock of junk IOs that will suddenly become expensive, which means a spike in supply. People with junk IOs may convert their own to get the expensive ones, which means a reduction in demand. And there's a small chance that people slotting ATIOs will be needing fewer purples, so another reduction in demand. It will take a while for those to be converted and slotted, and the market will have to reach a new equilibrium. Only after that will I have a chance at being a trillionaire.

As to prices, here's my take. Currently there are 10 purple sets, with the 5 mez and 1 pet damage sets being fairly cheap, while the other 4 damage sets are expensive. I don't know the actual numbers, so the following are just for example. The average price for cheap sets used to be fairly low, say around 50M, while the expensive ones were more like 500M. The average purple price was around 230M. After the initial conversion of cheap to expensive, I expect purples to move towards this average. Cheap purples are already at 100M, and I wouldn't be surprised if they hit 150M or more. Expensive ones will drop, maybe as low as 200M, but I expect them to eventually recover to around 300M. It really depends on how many people get into the purple Enhancement Conversion business, how many people buy ATIOs, whether the new Incarnate content encourages people to continue playing their 50s, etc.

As to my urgency, I'm just looking to let everyone know about this strategy. I've got just under 2000 purples in bases now, so I certainly don't need any more. By posting it here I'm hoping more people will understand Enhancement Converters and be ready to take advantage of them when they hit live. I'm building up good karma. In a month people will be posting in this thread saying, "Thanks TopDoc, I'm a casual player but I managed to purple my Warshade by buying cheap purples when you suggested it."

Of course I always could have ulterior motives. Maybe I'm doing this all to make it expensive for Arcanaville to catch up to me. Maybe I think the purple market is going to permanently crash, and I need to find some way to unload my 2000 purples. Maybe I don't actually have that many purples, and I'm just posing. Maybe it's to distract you from my next BIG money maker, which involves a level 15 CEBR. Then again, Arcanaville could have ulterior motives as well. She already admitted that I pushed her out of the market. Maybe she wants to discourage all of you so she can buy while cheap purples are still fairly cheap. I will leave it to all of you marketeers to decide whether my advice and predictions are reasonable. Take into account that many of you have admitted to doing the same thing as me, just on a lower scale.

Why am I the only one doing this at such scale? Perhaps it's because I'm a power gamer with a lot of 50s. I guess it's a different mind-set from most marketeers who enjoy sitting around drinking tea made from the tears of the oppressed, and then swimming through all of their Inf to get a little exercise. I can see the value of purples in making silly overpowered builds, so I want them. I want hundreds more to outfit my current 50s, hundreds more after that for all the chars I'm leveling up, hundreds for future chars, and hundreds to sell so I can buy all the non-purples I'll need. I've got 4 Doms on the way to 50, plus 2 more scheduled, and I have HIGH expectations for their capabilities (S/L softcapped, permadom, great damage). Massive global recharge means MMs can just resummon pets as needed, and I've got 3 MMs in the works, 2 at 50 who need respecs, and probably a Beast Master soon. I've got a dozen CEBRs and only 2 have purple builds, but I'd like to slot them all out well. Purples mean I keep my set bonuses when exemping, which is great for running Weekly Strike Targets, WWD arcs, finishing TF Commander, or anything else below level 50. Maybe I should post something in the Build Advice area of the forums to reach like-minded people.


Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
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I guess it's a different mind-set from most marketeers who enjoy sitting around drinking tea made from the tears of the oppressed, and then swimming through all of their Inf to get a little exercise.
It's not often I find myself in awe... bravo, good sir.


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As to my urgency, I'm just looking to let everyone know about this strategy. I've got just under 2000 purples in bases now, so I certainly don't need any more. By posting it here I'm hoping more people will understand Enhancement Converters and be ready to take advantage of them when they hit live. I'm building up good karma. In a month people will be posting in this thread saying, "Thanks TopDoc, I'm a casual player but I managed to purple my Warshade by buying cheap purples when you suggested it."
LOL. If you really wanted to build up good karma, you would've started this thread when casual gamers could still buy cheap purples. I.E., before you bought hundreds of them at 1-million each.


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I guess it's a different mind-set from most marketeers who enjoy sitting around drinking tea made from the tears of the oppressed, and then swimming through all of their Inf to get a little exercise.
Hey, don't knock it. The tears of the oppressed really bring out the flavor of a rich tea like pu-erh. If you don't like it, it's your own fault, anyway, for driving down the price of the oppressed to the point where anyone can afford to have one handy.


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LOL. If you really wanted to build up good karma, you would've started this thread when casual gamers could still buy cheap purples. I.E., before you bought hundreds of them at 1-million each.
Good karma is useless unless there is something to spend it on.


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It really depends on how many people get into the purple Enhancement Conversion business, how many people buy ATIOs,


Looking into a crystal ball, I expect the ATO's to provide a serious up-tick in purple demand.

Here is my reasoning:

Most melee ATO sets are a rich source of S/L defense bonuses. Namely, two half-sets of ATO's provide 7.5 percent S/L in a single power, which neatly displaces a set of four Kinetic Combats and a set of six Obi's in two OTHER powers.

This allows many/most melee builds 'headroom' to slot in two sets of purples without losing defense. This means for the cost of reslotting three powers, I can get 1-ish percent more S/L and 20 percent global recharge. (!!!!!!!)

On that tradeoff, suddenly, PURPLES ARE WORTH IT FOR MELEE.

And there are a lot, I mean a LOT, of melee toons out there.

I'm glad there's going to be a lot more supply, because I suspect it's going to get mopped up fast.

But, ehn, I could be wrong.


 

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LOL. If you really wanted to build up good karma, you would've started this thread when casual gamers could still buy cheap purples. I.E., before you bought hundreds of them at 1-million each.
I didn't get into it until cheap purples were already at 45+M. Plenty of other people HERE bought them up to that point before me. I could have posted this then, but I would have had to pay more to get my purples. So I get bad karma for buying them medium cheap quietly , but now I'm making up for it by telling everyone about it.


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Looking into a crystal ball, I expect the ATO's to provide a serious up-tick in purple demand.

Here is my reasoning:

Most melee ATO sets are a rich source of S/L defense bonuses. Namely, two half-sets of ATO's provide 7.5 percent S/L in a single power, which neatly displaces a set of four Kinetic Combats and a set of six Obi's in two OTHER powers.

This allows many/most melee builds 'headroom' to slot in two sets of purples without losing defense. This means for the cost of reslotting three powers, I can get 1-ish percent more S/L and 20 percent global recharge. (!!!!!!!)

On that tradeoff, suddenly, PURPLES ARE WORTH IT FOR MELEE.

And there are a lot, I mean a LOT, of melee toons out there.

I'm glad there's going to be a lot more supply, because I suspect it's going to get mopped up fast.

But, ehn, I could be wrong.
I think you're not wrong, but not as right as you think. Some will do that, sure. But there are a lot who respec or use a 2nd or 3rd build for incarnate content. Some of my toons are at 45% - but not at 60%. I'm still not going to slot purples for that reason.


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If he makes it to trillionaire status, I'd have to make a new category in my survey.
Somehow, 100 Billion+ would be inadequate...
Maybe I was a little naive but I thought there were at least a couple of us who hit that mark some time ago.

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I guess it's a different mind-set from most marketeers who enjoy sitting around drinking tea made from the tears of the oppressed, and then swimming through all of their Inf to get a little exercise.
I don't drink the tea, since I don't relish the thought of making people cry like that, however the swims definitely keep me in shape - the pool is big, gets some good laps in.


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I didn't get into it until cheap purples were already at 45+M. Plenty of other people HERE bought them up to that point before me. I could have posted this then, but I would have had to pay more to get my purples. So I get bad karma for buying them medium cheap quietly , but now I'm making up for it by telling everyone about it.
I was buying them cheap but slowly because I didn't know Unicron was going to come along and inhale the entire market so now I'm just happy to be rich enough to slot what I want and make a couple bucks on the side while everyone else engages the market like Target has Elmo on sale Christmas Eve


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I wasn't looking to profit much from this, I hoovered up a few hundred purples just for my own supply for future builds. I have no real need for billions more inf, I'll jut burn it anyway.


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And I thought I was doing good getting like 30 purples for this a few weeks ago. :*(


 

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Yeah, I missed the boat, even though mentally, I knew this would happen as soon as I heard about them. And I've done something similar before; when merits were announced I expected the highest end enhancements to fall marginally, and the mid-range ones (the 1-3m ones) to climb. I had hundreds and hundreds of things like celerity:stealth and posi blast procs, etc, which were selling in the 1-3m range. (I actually picked >50 L50 Celerity stealth recipes for like 500k before I even had to pay that much.)

A lot of that is simply distraction and not having the energy for a good scheme, as I've been working on a book I just finished, and it's eaten almost all non-main-job time over the past 7 months.

Anyhow, bravo, sir, and anyone else getting the cheap ones. I think your predictions are largely spot on. And frankly, this is an everyone wins situation, because we just don't need that many sleep purples