So we got Roman Pack this week and some new sets in the market
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Posted on: 2012-01-31 01:35 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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It had nothing to do with price. The decision to release this pack without all the weapons is probably just about the best compromise we should have expected from this. It makes the people who wanted the costume items at level 1 happy while keeping something that still needs to be earned via playing through the appropriate content intact. I know some people probably won't agree with me but I consider this a win-win for us.
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
devil's advocate
if they could not include everything for the price, the weapons are the least useful thing as only weapon powersets use them. I would rather have all of the clothes without the weapons then include the weapons and not some of the clothes. |
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Except that selling the items doesn't really change the fact that you can earn them in-game without having to buy them, still.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
It had nothing to do with price. The decision to release this pack without all the weapons is probably just about the best compromise we should have expected from this. It makes the people who wanted the costume items at level 1 happy while keeping something that still needs to be earned via playing through the appropriate content intact. I know some people probably won't agree with me but I consider this a win-win for us.
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The shields are also only useful for one powerset, just like the swords.
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
devil's advocate
if they could not include everything for the price, the weapons are the least useful thing as only weapon powersets use them. I would rather have all of the clothes without the weapons then include the weapons and not some of the clothes. |
"Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself." ~Midnight Flux's former boss.
There are usually two sides to every argument but no end.
Everything placed above this line is always IMHO, YMMV and quite certainly not to be taken too seriously....
Maybe the devs wanted to keep the fancy Roman weapons as rewards for the ITF. We can already get the Gladius at level 1.
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I don't dislike Cimerora but I do hate waiting until level 35. So purchased. I just wish they would have included the sandals and whatnot that many have asked for. Maybe one day.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
I'll definitely be grabbing the Roman pack. I dislike Cimerora in general, and any use I'd have for the pieces would generally start at level 1.
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I think it's silly to buy anything with real money that you can easily earn in game.
I think it's silly to worry about what other people buy for their own convenience.
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Putting virtual costume pieces on sale for a limited time is a baffling sales move that Paragon Studios keeps making. (Either its marketing department is still thinking along brick-and-mortar lines, or there's some coding reason why having everything available all time would be a problem.) The better online retail strategy is to discount items at various times, e.g. themed costumes with holidays, and offer them at full price the rest of the year. It's not as though there's actual inventory to warehouse.
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Originally Posted by Ultimus
Also the Roman pack is only available till last day of Feb.
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who said I was worrying about what other people waste their money on?
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Originally Posted by Endlessly
I think it's silly to worry about what other people buy for their own convenience.
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I could be wrong (and I am not saying that I agree that this approach is best or correct or anything), I think they do this to throw the patient point-holding pragmatists for a loop and give them an urgency to spend their points NOW as opposed to waiting for the possible day of when they may actually feel they need the items in question.|
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
Putting virtual costume pieces on sale for a limited time is a baffling sales move that Paragon Studios keeps making. (Either its marketing department is still thinking along brick-and-mortar lines, or there's some coding reason why having everything available all time would be a problem.) The better online retail strategy is to discount items at various times, e.g. themed costumes with holidays, and offer them at full price the rest of the year. It's not as though there's actual inventory to warehouse.
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Now, the flip side to that strategy is... anyone who shows up after the fact and/or didn't know the items were on sale and/or didn't fall for that tactic and/or didn't feel any need to grab them then... but want them after they've been removed can't get them and Paragon Studios does not get those points/dollars.
So, I'm thinking that their marketing gurus have numbers and spreadsheets and charts that tell them that this tactic brings more profits. That does not mean they'd be correct, but I think this is why they do this and not because of any coding/bandwidth issues.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Lately it's just easier and cheaper to just buy the couple individual parts
I want rather than the whole pack. Best of both worlds. Get only the parts I need and save my points for next time 
I run the ITF on every character I like. It is hands down the easiest TF to form for the greatest rewards (Exp) in that level range. So I would never spend Paragon Points on this. YMMV.
As far as waiting to 35 for a costume? I just waited until 50 to finish 1/3 of my costume on my new main. It is a combination of Incarnate and Ascension stuff with a few tweaks thrown in.
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Lothic nailed it.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
It had nothing to do with price. The decision to release this pack without all the weapons is probably just about the best compromise we should have expected from this. It makes the people who wanted the costume items at level 1 happy while keeping something that still needs to be earned via playing through the appropriate content intact. I know some people probably won't agree with me but I consider this a win-win for us.
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And is, so far, pretty much the only player to express support for the strategy.|
Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
Lothic nailed it.
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Just, you know... by the way.
FUN FACT: That burst of light when you level up is actually the effectiveness escaping from your enhancements all at once.
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I'm pretty sure the two pages of this thread doesn't constitute the whole player base.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
And is, so far, pretty much the only player to express support for the strategy.
Just, you know... by the way. |
"I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble, and finally allows us to die with pride, even though sometimes we have to be steady, and give up the thing we want the most. Even our dreams." Aunt May SM2
i dreamed a dream, but now that dream is gone...good bye Paragon
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Thus my use of the phrase "so far."|
Originally Posted by SilverPharaoh
I'm pretty sure the two pages of this thread doesn't constitute the whole player base.
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Realistically, I think you're going to see two main camps on this: The people upset that the weapons weren't included when everything else was, and the people upset that any of it was made available for purchase at all. This approach ensures that neither group is happy. More lose/lose than win/win.
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That is a bad line of thinking. You should reconsider.
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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
Lothic nailed it.
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Pretty much this.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
I think it's silly to buy anything with real money that you can easily earn in game.
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I can understand the approach...
I, personally, would have thought keeping out the Romulus specific parts would have sufficed to meet the mark of making options available but still keeping some in-game unlockables.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Add my name to the "upset that the weapons weren't included" crowd.
Still, I might buy the set simply because the costumes are nice and it'd be good to have them from lvl 1. Not positive I'll buy it, but I've got a month to decide.
As far as those not wanting to pay for things that can be unlocked for free in-game, I can understand that, and that is why I'm not sure I will buy the pack. What I will be looking at is this, is it worth it to ME to spend $5 to have these costumes available starting at lvl 1?
If I figure it is, then I'll buy it. If after thinking it over it isn't worth it, then I won't.
There really isn't a wrong decision here as it's all personal taste.
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Yup, got the bow for my own two archery toons!|
Originally Posted by Gr33n
I bought the bow. 2 diff archery toons on 2 diff servers both crashed... twice... anyone else?
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Doesn't look how I pictured something called a "Cupid's Bow," though. It actually looks much better than the cutesy bow I had envisioned. Looks more like a "rich owner, antiquity". Very happy with the purchase!
Um... or did you mean the crash? Luckily, I missed that.
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Why not let people get all the normal weapons and shields and keep the Romulus nictus sword and shield (?) exclusive to the ITF?|
Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
Lothic nailed it.
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Cause that makes more sense than no weapons apart from an exclusive bow.
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Originally Posted by Zortel
Why not let people get all the normal weapons and shields and keep the Romulus nictus sword and shield (?) exclusive to the ITF?
Cause that makes more sense than no weapons apart from an exclusive bow. |
Uhm the regular Gladius is a "normal" Roman sword and it's always been available at level 1.
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Or more accurately it's the very definition of the word 'compromise'.|
Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
Realistically, I think you're going to see two main camps on this: The people upset that the weapons weren't included when everything else was, and the people upset that any of it was made available for purchase at all. This approach ensures that neither group is happy. More lose/lose than win/win.
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Everyone both wins a little AND loses a little, depending on your point of view.
For the record it actually doesn't bother me that they finally made some of it for sale, but likewise it doesn't bother me that you still have to play the game to earn some of it too. I suppose that means I don't fit into one of your "realistic" camps. *shrugs*
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I bought the bow. 2 diff archery toons on 2 diff servers both crashed... twice... anyone else?
No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded...
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