Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 1/31/12
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Posted on: 2012-01-30 18:23 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
What ever happened to "give the players what they want"?
Who's been begging you "lock up customizations to late-in-the-game tasks so those tasks can feel *exclusive*!"? "Exclusivity" is now a game mechanic goal? Then what happened to exclusivity of capes at 20 and auras at 30 when there are now two ways to get around that? Not to mention how someone can now buy their way into the fullness of all the Vet Rewards within a few month's time. So much for exclusivity. Now mind you, I'm not arguing for exclusivity. I'm just pointing out how 'exclusivity' as a rationale for doing something is pure nonsense when exclusivity in so many other areas are going by the wayside. And let's also discuss why you wait to now to address this instead of the first week of VIP Beta Server when the same points were brought up. Does Production read player feedback? Is Customer Service bringing to you our concerns when they get posted in Beta? And if they are, do you ignore it until it goes Live when the chances of responding to the players' concerns becomes too problematic? My esteem of Production and how they handle the Market is plummeting as each week goes by. I'm also very unimpressed with the rationales you give as if that simply ends the discussion instead of showing genuine interest or concern that you may have misread what players want and made a mistake. The use of micro-transactions is a huge part of your business model. And I am very unsatisfied with how you've implemented it. And this is from someone who already bought $300 worth of points between two accounts. Production needs to step up and talk to the playerbase instead of implementing things from a meeting by fiat. You did a major player survey for Going Rogue. You did a focus group for the general workings of FREEDOM. You need to do something for the specifics of the Market to make up for all the shortcomings of how you're implementing micro-transactions in such a haphazard way with such a demonstrable misunderstanding of marketing. |
Shields, but no weapons.. Shields.. i mean SHIELDS!
Only a few AT's, and even less powersets can actually use them, why in Statesman's name didn't you guys include the weapons and even the toga's?
I know so many, including me, that want the sibyl outfit, been asked a buch of times too.. why isn't that in this set?
2 out of 4 items were "New" last week, Posi set is on sale, and you put this bundle out.
Even if i had the points i wouldn't buy the set.
The last bundle i bought was the Halloween bundle, the rest were not interesting for me. Not saying they were not good, just not to my liking. This bundle however, is unacceptably bad.
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Well, I was going to buy this pack as soon as it hit live, but with the time limitation, I'm going to have to decline as another vote against the practice. It's not tied to any holiday (sticking a single Valentine's day related item in there that also happens to be Roman doesn't make the rest of the pack Valentine's day related), so I don't see the reason for the artificial scarcity. It's a great convenience buy, and I think new players should have the opportunity to buy it throughout the year.
I also agree with those who are saying that the ITF doesn't need any costume part incentives to get people to run it.
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Is the fact that Decimation (1 of 6) isn't actually on sale for 50% off (when the rest of them are) also an error?
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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
Good catch.
That error has been corrected in the in-game store. |
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Boy, torn. I mean, yeah, would LOVE the Roman costume piece unlocks at level 1... But getting only some of them sort of undermines that.
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Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Liquid
Well, I was going to buy this pack as soon as it hit live, but with the time limitation, I'm going to have to decline as another vote against the practice. It's not tied to any holiday (sticking a single Valentine's day related item in there that also happens to be Roman doesn't make the rest of the pack Valentine's day related), so I don't see the reason for the artificial scarcity. It's a great convenience buy, and I think new players should have the opportunity to buy it throughout the year.
I also agree with those who are saying that the ITF doesn't need any costume part incentives to get people to run it. Sorry, Ghost Falcon. |
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[edit] It's intentional.|
Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
Is the fact that Decimation (1 of 6) isn't actually on sale for 50% off (when the rest of them are) also an error?
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When a Rare IO set is introduced and goes on sale, the 50% discount is applied to the "set", and to the Rare IOs.
The Uncommon IO (Decimation 1 of 6) is left at the regular price.
The sale price will remain in effect through Monday of next week. On Tuesday, the Rare IOs will be back to their full price.
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That makes a startling amount of sense. I never actually looked at the rarity of the individual IO.|
Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
When a Rare IO set is introduced and goes on sale, the 50% discount is applied to the "set", and to the Rare IOs.
The Uncommon IO (Decimation 1 of 6) is left at the regular price. The sale price will remain in effect through Monday of next week. On Tuesday, the Rare IOs will be back to their full price. |
Thanks for the info!
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
Main reason: They were intentionally left out to maintain some exclusivity to the Imperious Task Force (ITF).
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
So, you were worried that people wouldn't run the ITF if not for the swords?
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Not on a technical level, but it's the only reasonable reading I can do of the original message without it being incredibly stupid. If the concern is not people wanting to run the ITF, then it transpires that certain items are left unique to the ITF for no reason other than because someone wanted to keep parts unique to the ITF, and no reason that can actually convince. This, then, would be the absolute, rock bottom, bare essentials version of "It's their game, they can do whatever they want."|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
For the record, this:
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Exclusivity is not a reason unless it accomplishes something, and unless said accomplishment is to get people to run the ITF (which it won't, but is at least an argument worth having), then it accomplishes nothing and is there because someone didn't want people to have too much fun all at once.
I would literally have accepted the argument that that's too much stuff for one pack, so they'll sell it in two. I would have bought two packs, as a point of fact. But "exclusivity" for no reason makes sure I won't buy even a single pack.
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And you know what? It KILLS me to say this, because I'm one of the people who pestered Paragon Studios to release the Roman gear and the Rualruu weapons on the Market. I WANTED to buy them. But not like this. This is handled in such a wrong fashion it turns me off of buying something I directly requested.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Well I see your point. Basically people are just paying for the convenience of being able to wear the Roman costume pieces on all characters from lvl 1. And many people will do this I am sure. But I enjoy the ITF so I will just unlock it so I will save my points for some much cooler things coming in the future. So I have to agree with Doctor Roswell.|
Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
Main reason: They were intentionally left out to maintain some exclusivity to the Imperious Task Force (ITF).
Players can normally obtain/unlock the Roman Costume pieces for free in-game, but this has to be done PER character by completing the ITF. The purchase of this bundle allows players to unlock many of the main costume pieces for all other characters on your account without having to do the Task Force. |
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Originally Posted by Doctor Roswell
This confused me too. We have the new bow, and the shields -- even the swirly purple Romulus Nictus one -- but that's it? Why no weapons? If I want those I still have to wait until level 35 and run an Imperious TF... and that would unlock the whole mess anyway!
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The Cimeroran Imperious Legionarii chest piece, gloves and boots:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/File:Imp...legionarii.jpg
The Sybils robes and belt:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/File:Sister_Solaris.jpg
Then I would definitely invest some points in it. As it stands now, I will just be buying the bow and saving my points for better costume sets to come that aren't already in the game as free unlockable pieces. I will be running ITFs for the weapons anyway.
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Most of the things you like about the game accomplish nothing except to provide them for the players that want them. There is no higher purpose goal beyond that. Exclusive rewards are no different in their goal.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Exclusivity is not a reason unless it accomplishes something, and unless said accomplishment is to get people to run the ITF (which it won't, but is at least an argument worth having), then it accomplishes nothing and is there because someone didn't want people to have too much fun all at once.
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This is a good point. They kinda got that backwards, huh. This just reinforces my decision to buy the bow only. And unlocking the existing costume pieces to save points for better stuff in the future. I bet they are cooking up some very cool stuff for us very soon!
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
This actually brings up a question of logic I want to address to whoever is in charge of deciding what goes into each pack. You claim you want to keep some things exclusive to the ITF, yet you leave out weapons that have nothing in the slightest to do with the ITF. All the Broadsword options aside from Romulus Sword and Nictus Sword are tied to a defeat badge for Cimeroran Traitors which you can earn in two or three missions from Marcus Valerius without ever touching the ITF. All of the Roman axes are tied to the same bade, as are the shields.
So to keep ITF-exclusive items ITF-exclusive, you restrict items that are not ITF exclusive, yet include an item which IS ITF-exclusive. Because I can't get the Nictus Shield without running the ITF twice, but I can buy that from the Roman pack, or as a standalone piece. What kind of sense does that make? |
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I definately think is much better buy costume pieces alone.
Probably would buy the nice bow, if I ever make an archery character, just in case.
Meh I will save my points. Hoped/Expected/Wanted more options than can be earned in game (and not just a bow). I run the ITF on all my toons so this would do nothing but make those pieces earlier than 35.
Saves points for Staff Fighting.
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Originally Posted by Paladiamors
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Why are the roman axes and roman savage/gladiator sword not part of the pack? They have nothing to do with ITF?
Nictus Sword I can understand.
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Why are you so dam lazy to post some pictures labeling these 23 items you talk about.
BTW I agree with everyone assessment this isn't a roman set.
This is a limited roman set.
When your asking for money for something that really isn't what your saying it is, it seems like a SCAM or your trying to be shady. The last thing a company should look to appear when trying to get money.
I get the whole we don't publish how large our player base is, but why are you trying to hide what you have for sale ? I am sure the other guys already have an account and live on the beta server. Because if this isn't the excuse I am making up for you then I have to just believe you guys are lazy are just not smart enough to have some common sense.
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Good post.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Not on a technical level, but it's the only reasonable reading I can do of the original message without it being incredibly stupid. If the concern is not people wanting to run the ITF, then it transpires that certain items are left unique to the ITF for no reason other than because someone wanted to keep parts unique to the ITF, and no reason that can actually convince. This, then, would be the absolute, rock bottom, bare essentials version of "It's their game, they can do whatever they want."
Exclusivity is not a reason unless it accomplishes something, and unless said accomplishment is to get people to run the ITF (which it won't, but is at least an argument worth having), then it accomplishes nothing and is there because someone didn't want people to have too much fun all at once. I would literally have accepted the argument that that's too much stuff for one pack, so they'll sell it in two. I would have bought two packs, as a point of fact. But "exclusivity" for no reason makes sure I won't buy even a single pack. --- And you know what? It KILLS me to say this, because I'm one of the people who pestered Paragon Studios to release the Roman gear and the Rualruu weapons on the Market. I WANTED to buy them. But not like this. This is handled in such a wrong fashion it turns me off of buying something I directly requested. |
Roman savage and roman gladiator swords are not part of the ITF. I believe they are unlocked with the Centurion badge.
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Thing is, yeah, we're getting those Roman pieces at level 1. But we're paying out of our pockets for that convenience. So why do you need to implement an inconvenience? Either play the content, stick with the game, and get it for free per character, or buy it up front and have it all at level 1 for all characters. Please don't try to make players do both and alienate the people that are willing to buy them now by restricting pieces from the bundle and making them "exclusive" to one path. You didn't do that with the Vanguard items and everyone loved that.
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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
Main reason: They were intentionally left out to maintain some exclusivity to the Imperious Task Force (ITF).
Players can normally obtain/unlock the Roman Costume pieces for free in-game, but this has to be done PER character by completing the ITF. The purchase of this bundle allows players to unlock many of the main costume pieces for all other characters on your account without having to do the Task Force. |
Roman shield is included, and it is a weapon.
Why are the other weapons (not associated with the ITF) roman swords and axes not part of the pack?
you know when a roman set would be good ? on the ides of march
just a thought...
otherwise thanks for costume pieces I can see them being very good for level 1 -50
how about a picture of cupid bow?
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You guys need to fire your marketing team. Seriously! fire them. Get new blood in there. Maybe somebody who actually made a living selling stuff.
That said. I got the bow only because it is the first new bow in a long time.
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Seems to me if an unlock is going to be sold, sell the whole she-bang. Not trying to be snooty, just strikes me as odd.
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Originally Posted by Ghost Falcon
Main reason: They were intentionally left out to maintain some exclusivity to the Imperious Task Force (ITF).
Players can normally obtain/unlock the Roman Costume pieces for free in-game, but this has to be done PER character by completing the ITF. The purchase of this bundle allows players to unlock many of the main costume pieces for all other characters on your account without having to do the Task Force. |
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Here's a quick picture of Cupid's Bow for those interested:
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Looks more like the valkyrie set than roman to me.
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Originally Posted by Llydia
Here's a quick picture of Cupid's Bow for those interested:
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Players can normally obtain/unlock the Roman Costume pieces for free in-game, but this has to be done PER character by completing the ITF. The purchase of this bundle allows players to unlock many of the main costume pieces for all other characters on your account without having to do the Task Force.
Also the other Roman-themed costume parts (besides the weapons) haven't been included in a crass move to sell them separately:
- Patrician Toga
- Victory Laurel
- Hellenic Sandals
===========The Roman costume pack should have been the following:
Price: 400 Points - Roman costume set, 33 costume parts
- Centurion Half Helmet
- Roman Browguard – Helmet Detail
- Roman Crest 1 – Helmet Detail
- Roman Crest 2 – Helmet Detail
- Roman Crest 3 – Helmet Detail
- Roman Crest 4 – Helmet Detail
- Roman Crest 5 – Helmet Detail
- Roman Cheekguard 1 – Helmet Detail
- Roman Cheekguard 2 – Helmet Detail
- Roman Pauldrons – Shoulders
- Lorica Segmentata – Chest Detail
- Centurion Chest – Chest Detail
- Roman Vambraces – Gloves
- Roman Cingulum – Kilt/Skirt
- Roman Greaves – Boots
- Roman Axe 1 <- Not included in released pack.
- Roman Axe 2 <- Not included in released pack.
- Roman Axe 3 <- Not included in released pack.
- Roman - Gladiator <- Not included in released pack.
- Roman - Savage <- Not included in released pack.
- Romulus Augustus Sword <- Not included in released pack.
- Nictus Sword <- Not included in released pack.
- Romulus Shield 1
- Romulus Shield 2
- Roman Shield 1
- Roman Shield 2
- Roman Shield 3
- Roman Shield 4
- Spartan Shield 1
- Cupid’s Bow
- Patrician Toga <- Probably included in the "Valentine's Pack"
- Victory Laurel <- Probably included in the "Valentine's Pack"
- Hellenic Sandals <- Probably included in the "Valentine's Pack"
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Vanity Pet: Cupid pet
Price: 160 points - Cupid Pet <- Probably included in the "Valentine's Pack" and be more expensive to justify a 400 point price for the bundle.
Account unlock: Midnighter Club/Cimerora
Price: 160 points - Account wide Midnighter Club and Cimerora access.
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TL;DR
I understand you are running a business. What I can't understand is why you are constantly making the same mistakes over and over again. Please don't treat your customers like you currently are. Most of your customers are fairly intelligent and have told you the pitfalls of your pricing before.
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