The things you "hate" about I Trials!

If I can jump right into a task and the task itself doesn't take a gratuitous amount of time and it's repeatable, then I don't mind a possibility of failure.

Of course, if I can't jump right into it and/or it does take a gratuitous amount of time to do, then I might lose interest in doing it regardless of whether there's a possibility of failure. Likewise if the reward for success hardly seems worth the effort. Thus why I'm largely disinterested in doing TFs, and why I don't go out of my way to do iTrials.

I think my suggestion that you quoted would alleviate your "new currency" fear. To me, it's pretty simple: Don't let the Incarnate XP for the new slots to be purchasable with threads, inf, or anything else. Make it be "earned" by doing MoM, TPN, Underground, and future additions like normal XP is. This would mean no need for a new currency, because people would still be required to play the content to unlock the slots in the first place. Those who were still working on Alpha/Interface/etc. would unlock and slot them up as they do now, and even stockpile for new slots if they wish, by doing BAF/Lambda/Keyes, but they'd still have to do the newer trials to unlock the new slots...

Of course there will also be Dark Astoria, but I think the XP gain ratio soloing Dark Astoria missions should be the same ratio to soloing newspaper missions VS. doing an ITF on a team in respect to the rate at which XP is earned during trials.

I would love to see the Devs put this idea to use, because it ultimately gives everyone something they want. Devs want people to run newer trials more. Players don't want a new currency. Bam, potential solution.

And would essentially lock out anyone who can't run or stand these trials.

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Well, DA content (or some future solo-path zone) could grant it as well.

Stick a sock in it. Your argument was dead before the game was even released. It was being touted then as being a solo and casual friendly game that didn't require you to team up with others.

Nothing in the phrase MMO denotes that teaming is required. Massively Multiplayer Online. Nope. no terms meaning "you must team". Only terms that indicate that there are other people online in the same world environment I'm in.

I talk to other players while I'm playing. Sometimes I'll stand in a mission doing nothing but talking for quite a while.

I can participate in Rikti Ship Raids, Hamidon Raids, Zombie Invasions, Rikti Invasions and similar without being on a team.

iTrials do not allow me to participate if I am not teamed.

And what are you using as a point of comparison? Incarnate trials aren't required. They're how you get your Incarnate powers, though. If you don't enjoy the content you're welcome to not have the powers, obviously... But even with that being said, we know Dark Astoria is coming. I just can't find any motive whatsoever for you making this statement... Unless you didn't even read enough of my post to see where I mentioned Dark Astoria. If that's the case, I suggest you recheck it.

I have trouble understanding this perspective. The first thing I always want to point out is that when I hear points like this being made, it makes me think someone has an alternate dimension version of COH where Incarnate content dictates that you MUST BE ON TEAMS AT ALL TIMES!

I mean, look at anything in the game. If you want the WST badges/merits, you need to be on a team. If you want Task Force badges/merits/Synthetic HamiO's from Statesman and LR, you need to be on a team. If you're fresh out of vet specs and you don't want to blow any cash, you need to be on a team for a respec trial... The list goes on and on.

My point is that none of these things require anyone to always be teaming at all times, or any more often than they would like to be, really. The same could be said for Incarnate Trials. And the great thing about all of this stuff is that you can do it all if and when you feel like it.

I guess I just don't understand the outrage, like it's a completely unique concept that's totally unheard of and against the direction of the game. Certain things require teaming... And the Incarnate gate is even being lifted in Issue 22. I guess I just don't understand the source of the complaints in the first place, and I definitely don't understand why it's still being mentioned when the next update is giving you what you want.

The outrage is that people keep denigrating those that do not like teaming or do not team for other reasons by trotting out the dead horse argument "it's an MMO" time and again. If teaming was required simply because it was an MMO, you'd be forced to team from the time you signed in.

There is no outrage on my part about the iTrials. I also don't participate in the WSTs for any reason, I don't run any TFs/SFs for any reason. I don't run respecs as I have more respecs than I'll likely ever need as it is. I teamed in the past when needed for TF's and Respec trials, but I no longer participate in team content for several reasons.

As to why it's being mentioned? Well, the OP asked what we hate about the iTrials. For me, and likely for some others, it's that it requires teaming.

No outrage about that on my part, simply answering the OP's question.

Perhaps you misunderstood what I said. Which was a reaction to what you said.

The way the post I responded to read, you were asking for a new round of Incarnate-type XP that could ONLY be gotten by running the three trials you named.

As for your "Do it MY way or just be happy you get nothing". I'll simply leave it a "Forum rules prohibit me from expressing exactly what I feel about this."

And I'd suggest you make an effort to understand I was actually trying to say (in a thread asking what we dislike about the iTrials) and drop the nose-in-the-air attitude.

Oh wait! Anonymous forum on the internet!

Silly me!

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Wow! How EVER did you come up with such an ORIGINAL retort?

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Listened to a 10 min lecture on creativity.

Ask for your money back.

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As to the original post's question, I think my posting history about the Incarnate Trials says a lot. And SilverAgeFan also can verify how difficult it is to get a trial started on Triumph in the last month.

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It says alot more about how much you hate triumph than how supposedly bad the trials are.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow [The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."

Their opinions are apparently widely held enough to merit changes to at least Anti-Matter Island and the introduction of the Dark Astoria thing. Go figure.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

And by 'squeaky wheel', I mean if the hugely vocal minority complains long and loud enough, they'll eventually get their way just to get'em to shut up for five minutes.

Yeah, the "vocal minority" hypocrisy as perpetuated by people who didn't get what they wanted. Maybe you should blame your own silent minority for it, then?

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Good thing I got what I wanted and this doesn't apply to me, eh?

But 'ey, you assumed, and that's what assumptions get you.

Maybe you missed Positron's "Y U NO RUN TRIALS?" post:

The changes were based on objective data-mining, not just number of complaints.

Better yet- the insistent, demanding paying customer gets satisfaction. The company has more of an obligation to please us rather than us them.

Let me break it down for you, as I see it. You don't see the need for Dark Astoria, otherwise you would be part of this aforementioned "vocal minority" and thus wouldn't refer to it as a vocal one. Thus, you're getting something you didn't ask for. You are, therefore, perpetuating the kind of "us vs. them" mentality that's damaging to the community.

Either that, or you really did want Dark Astoria and are therefore describing yourself as being in a vocal minority, therefore bringing the kind of self-depreciating rhetoric that spawns these "us vs. them" arguments in the first place.

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All of that said, nice dodge, changing subject like that, when the bigger question is how you know who's a majority and who's a minority at all with no access to data-mining of any kind. Or are you relying on anecdote impressions and word-of-mouth head counts?

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.