Really, devs? REALLY? AFK farming is ok?
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Now the problem is actually getting it an actual priority ahead of base overhauls and Boomtown revamps.
Pretty sure Posi, and I think it was Synpase in one of the more recent (think last month or so) Ustream chats speaking how they would/are considering changes to PvP - but the goal would be no more fiddling.
The goal would be to make a decent overhaul to improve the experience. The Devs are there, and the thought is at least there. |
And that's assuming the changes they make are in line with what the players want, not necessarily what it'll take to balance PVP, let alone make it an attractive proposition in the game.
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My point was that you constantly take digs at the devs in this and many other threads, you often come off as ranting and railing against them (not honest, blunt or forthright like you seem to think). |
And if it's any consolation. You're neither required to like anything I say, nor agree with it.
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My point was not to encourage pay to win, I'm against pay to win. |
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My point was that is that freedom and the paragon market has as one of its goals the generation of revenue. |
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Evidence to support your numbers? |
Surely you jest!
My point remains. Do the devs think they can make more off selling a few expensive expensive things to a small group of wealthy minority players? Or selling several orders of magnitude more cheap items to the majority of players?
And which one would give the best returns on investment of time and development resources.
I haven't seen any $9000 monocles in CoH yet.
Rolls Royce or Chevrolet?
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More People interested in pvp could see more players total, adding to the 70k. |
You can't even guarantee that the changes wouldn't drive more people away.
The PVP community right now is probably several hundred people strong at the moment. Talk of them going to 70,000 (a majority of the game's TOTAL population) is absolutely insane. As is asking Paragon and NCSoft to bet the farm on it.
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But you seem to have an adversarial position of PvP players vs. PvE players, rather than seeing them as they should be seen "Potential customers". |
- Badges
- Temp Powers
- Farming PVP recipes
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You don't come off as blunt and forthright. |
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You come off as bombastic, negative and with an unnecessary need to use caps lock. |
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If you're really serious, I'd ask you to go back and take a look at how our exchange went. |
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You posted something, I disagree with it, and then you replied with a post full of caps, and some nonsense with Kevin Spacey. |
It was stated that the attractiveness of PVP was a completely separate issue.
I disagreed, vehemently (and graphically), with that statement. The attractiveness is an issue that is part and parcel to the whole giant clump of offal that is the current state of PVP in CoH.
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If you really think this is me not wanting a healthy dialogue, you might want to review your way of presenting your ideas in posts. |
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Other MMOs have PvP that is relatively balanced. Its not impossible. |
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PvP farming doesn't affect me so...*shrugs*
![]() *although I did do a bit of "PvP Arena farming" against my 2nd acct before that got fixed....stupidly sold my pvp recipes that I got right then instead of holding off and getting more for them ![]() Don't have any pvp recipes in any of my toons; don't pvp (anything more than 5 mins at the most in 1 month that is)....so... meh ![]() Edit: And I can't wait for when (and if) the devs fix AFK pvp farming and then we'll have all the cries about them fixing it (it will be a "nerf" though ![]() I'm curious how would you solve the issue? Make self-rez powers not work in pvp areas? Can't use awakens? Can't use rez's at all in pvp zones (except for taking the hospital of course)? |
Probably the simplest is to allow inactivity logoff when on an oro tf. But I'll leave the exact mechanism to the dev's, it's what they're paid to do.
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Obviously I'm not versed in how one does pvp afk farming but...how would that help?
Probably the simplest is to allow inactivity logoff when on an oro tf. But I'll leave the exact mechanism to the dev's, it's what they're paid to do.
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A person can still have two accounts going doing afk farming without being on an ouro (or any other) tf/sf.
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Pretty much, yeah.
People that wants to pvp in this game. Stop. Go play a game where pvp is supported.
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PvP in this game was tacked on well after launch, and was NOT a design consideration while the game was originally being developed. And after CoV came out and there was apparently a short-lived reinvestment in PvP development, Cryptic moved most of the CoH/CoV staff over to the Marvel MMO which was eventually canceled. the remaining devs had to choose what got their development time, and PvP was not worth the return on investment. Heck, bases suffered the same fate (partially because the base system incorporated SG vs SG PvP, but I digress). Even with a larger development team, Paragon Studios still has to carefully decide how to allocate their resources. And due to the development history of the game, PvP is unfortunately still not really worth the return on the sort of investment that would have to be made in order for it to be a robust, balanced gameplay system within this game.
As for PvP farming itself: Well, why not?
I mean, there are no real "exploits" going on, and the farmers aren't really disrupting any other PvPers' experiences. The only downside is that some characters have access to the ridiculously inflated PvP IOs. Thankfully, there are ways to acquire them outside of PvP farming. Outside of PvP, for that matter. As far as I'm concerned, that does mitigate the complaint some.
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Increase drops for PvP IOs, the majority of those set bonuses are garbage to even warrant the crap tier drop ratio they have.
The only thing I want from them is damage procs on the uniques. The rest of the set can die in a fire.
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Does this work for getting PvP badges too?
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You mean PVP kill badges?
Yeah. While I didn't do it this way myself, I'm aware of several people who've done this.
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Soooo you're complaining about folks getting their pvp IOs by not pvping . . . yet you got most of your's by, drumroll please, NOT PVPING!
True, but only because the market caps at 2 billion.
![]() Also, as I suggested, have the PVP IO's available via other tracks: Increase supply. Last, I have several PVP IO's, despite the fact that I neither PVP nor actively farm them. Alignment Merits For The Win! ![]() It is nonsensical that the best way to amass in-game resources is to NOT play the game. How does that make ANY kind of sense? Change the code so AFK farming doesn't work any more, and increase supplies of PVP drops via other channels. |
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Right. LMAO!
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True, but only because the market caps at 2 billion.
![]() Also, as I suggested, have the PVP IO's available via other tracks: Increase supply. Last, I have several PVP IO's, despite the fact that I neither PVP nor actively farm them. Alignment Merits For The Win! ![]() It is nonsensical that the best way to amass in-game resources is to NOT play the game. How does that make ANY kind of sense? Change the code so AFK farming doesn't work any more, and increase supplies of PVP drops via other channels. |
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Soooo you're complaining about folks getting their pvp IOs by not pvping . . . yet you got most of your's by, drumroll please, NOT PVPING!
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Whereas, he's using A-Merits to get PvPIO's. Last i checked, A-Merits can only be earned by ... playing the game.
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Except they are playing the game. They are just using their second account.
No, he's complaining about people getting PvPIOs by not playing the game.
Whereas, he's using A-Merits to get PvPIO's. Last i checked, A-Merits can only be earned by ... playing the game. |
Also soon A-Merits are earnable via reward merits, which will soon be earnable by simply buying superpacks. In other words PVP IOs will become earnable with real cash money.
Not seeing the issue here as the majority pvp IOs haven't been gotten via pvp since they came out.
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HAHAHAHAAHA. Oh, is THAT the reason?
Despite the serious QQ going on here, I have to agree that it is a little disappointing that the main reason I can't keep up in this game is because I don't AFK farm.
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I guess I got my thousands of reward merits and hundreds of alignment merits by AFK farming... somehow. Still, it's nice feeling you can blame other people when things don't go your way, isn't it?
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You don't have to 'skeev' anything for it. I have the 3% resistance unique on one of my tanks. I bought it in Wentworths for 2 billion inf, using inf NOT gained from AFK PvP farming.
It's the folks that HAVE to have that extra 3% Defense that are complaining. Would I like it? Sure. Am I gonna scream about it because I have to skeev the game for it? Nope...
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I personally think the devs should shut down PvP AFK farming by actually making the system for earning PvPs through actual PvP more attractive.
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While the attractiveness of PvP to PvE players is a whole other issue, I think that if they implemented a method to track real kills vs. farming kills perhaps using MARTy, they should implement a method of earning PvP merits similar to Empyrean merits. |
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The farming of PvP IO's by AFK is a bigger joke. Istated MANY times that PvP and these IO's should be COMMKON. When I can buy the top level IO for 2 Hero merits and a single PvP IO is 32 - it shows you that someone does not understand marketing 101.
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Still, as I said above, if farming is easier (or even possible), it's going to happen.
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...really.
Except they are playing the game. They are just using their second account.
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You're really not grasping the whole "Away From Keyboard' thing here, are you? The whole point of the AFK farm is that you set it up and then it runs automatically. The player then goes away and does something else, while his toons happily auto-slay and auto-rez, with nary a human interaction in sight.
That's not 'playing the game' that's bots farming the most valuable stuff.
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Also soon A-Merits are earnable via reward merits, which will soon be earnable by simply buying superpacks. In other words PVP IOs will become earnable with real cash money. |
So, since I have a good income in Real Life, I can simply crush everyone else by throwing cash at the issue, and you will, of course, consider that perfectly fair play.
Good to know. (Pulls out debit card and waits patiently.)
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Not seeing the issue here as the majority pvp IOs haven't been gotten via pvp since they came out. |
A sad state, that is.
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Not gonna work. At least, not in practice. Look at the system for rewarding 'participation' in the iTrials. If you're leading (i.e. typing a lot, instead of shooting), you're getting 10 threads..... |
I will say that there have been times where I've been leading trials and doing lots of typing, etc...and still get a Rare...I'd actually say more times than not.
Which is weird....cause...you know most of the time I'm not actually doing anything.
Granted, I have no specific evidence but...*shrugs*
But I have never received the 10 threads option after an iTrial. *knocks on wood*
Anyways, back to the main point of the thread....
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Seeing as how pvp is in a sad state complaining about AFK farming is the least of things wrong with pvp.
...really.
You're really not grasping the whole "Away From Keyboard' thing here, are you? The whole point of the AFK farm is that you set it up and then it runs automatically. The player then goes away and does something else, while his toons happily auto-slay and auto-rez, with nary a human interaction in sight. That's not 'playing the game' that's bots farming the most valuable stuff. Really?! I did not know that. So, since I have a good income in Real Life, I can simply crush everyone else by throwing cash at the issue, and you will, of course, consider that perfectly fair play. Good to know. (Pulls out debit card and waits patiently.) You know, I'd wager that at least 75 percent of all pvp hours spent on the game right now are bots auto-killing each other. A sad state, that is. |
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Indeed, this may be the case, but I do not give a rats backside about pvp. I find the 'community' of pvp'rs to be mostly vile individuals I'd one-star and happily place on ignore.
Seeing as how pvp is in a sad state complaining about AFK farming is the least of things wrong with pvp.
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Sorry. Maybe my experience with those gracious folks has been bad. A run of bad apples, as it were.
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What I DO care about, is the fact that the play mode which gives the greatest rewards to players is to grab a bunch of free accounts and then use one pay farm account to run what is essential a bot swarm.
This is appallingly bad game design, and is easily fixed. I feel the Dev's made a stupendously bad decision by making the PVP sets in the first place. You can't bribe people to enjoy vile company. All the PVP sets do is encourage the very worst sort of exploitation.
According to Hyperstrike, it's all balanced on Time versus Reward, after all. If people are using AFK farming to 'play' for 100+ hours per day, SOMETHING IS FREAKIN' WRONG.
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The PvP community is like grade school. There are some mean kids and then a few kids that jump on the bandwagon to laugh at everything they say. Then theres the group of good kids that dont really get involved in the nonsense so much. Saying the PvP community is mostly vile individuals is a wacky generalization like when I play on Virtue and hear how most of Freedom players are dbags.
Indeed, this may be the case, but I do not give a rats backside about pvp. I find the 'community' of pvp'rs to be mostly vile individuals I'd one-star and happily place on ignore.
Sorry. Maybe my experience with those gracious folks has been bad. A run of bad apples, as it were. ![]() What I DO care about, is the fact that the play mode which gives the greatest rewards to players is to grab a bunch of free accounts and then use one pay farm account to run what is essential a bot swarm. This is appallingly bad game design, and is easily fixed. I feel the Dev's made a stupendously bad decision by making the PVP sets in the first place. You can't bribe people to enjoy vile company. All the PVP sets do is encourage the very worst sort of exploitation. According to Hyperstrike, it's all balanced on Time versus Reward, after all. If people are using AFK farming to 'play' for 100+ hours per day, SOMETHING IS FREAKIN' WRONG. |
As far as this AFK farming thing, who really cares...
If the PvP community makes up 1% of the game population and thats the main reason the devs dont care about that aspect of the game, why would the devs care about AFK farming which probably makes up .1% (I dont know the real #, just cant see that many people doing it)?
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Yep. You can get reward merits. For which you still need piles of Inf to convert to AMs. If you're one of these people with a WW hate-on, this helps you not at all.
Really?! I did not know that.
So, since I have a good income in Real Life, I can simply crush everyone else by throwing cash at the issue, and you will, of course, consider that perfectly fair play. Good to know. (Pulls out debit card and waits patiently.) |
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You know, I'd wager that at least 75 percent of all pvp hours spent on the game right now are bots auto-killing each other. A sad state, that is. |
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Basically the AFK farmers are the main reason PVP IOs are available AT ALL. The gating prices for the recipes via various merit systems are fairly steep. And while some people take that route, I'm willing to bet that even with that avenue, the market would absorb 100% of supply in short order leaving nothing available.
The PvP community is like grade school. There are some mean kids and then a few kids that jump on the bandwagon to laugh at evertyhing they say. Then theres the group of good kids that dont really get involved in the nonsense so much.
As far as this AFK farming thing, who really cares... If the PvP community makes up 1% of the game population and thats the main reason the devs dont care about that aspect of the game, why would the devs care about AFK farming which probably makes up .1% (I dont know the real #, just cant see that many people doing it)? |
Essentially the people damning these guys for providing an actual supply are potheads cursing out their supplier for being bad and selling drugs.
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I agree. Im part of that "1%" that does casual zone PvPing and have sold a few PvP IOs here and there.
Basically the AFK farmers are the main reason PVP IOs are available AT ALL. The gating prices for the recipes via various merit systems are fairly steep. And while some people take that route, I'm willing to bet that even with that avenue, the market would absorb 100% of supply in short order leaving nothing available.
Essentially the people damning these guys for providing an actual supply are potheads cursing out their supplier for being bad and selling drugs. |
I still dont get the below statements:
"But the AFK PVP IO farming?
People are making STUPID levels of rewards, WHILE THEY ARE ASLEEP. The most profitable way TO PLAY YOUR GAME, is to do it while you're sleeping."
It can be extremely profitable to play the stock market in real life...I dont but it doesnt bother me that there are people out there making millions doing it.
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Actually sounds fun.
The other alternative is to set up a massive active farm: Get 50 people to go to Warburg with their insp tray full of only wakies. Pack together tightly at the globe. Then pretend it's a Mothership raid and everyone else is a Rikti. No defense powers. Let yourself be killed and do a lot of killing. When you run out of wakies, go to hosp and come pack full of wakies.
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Awesome! I thought I'd never get those badges.
You mean PVP kill badges?
Yeah. While I didn't do it this way myself, I'm aware of several people who've done this. |
And I get some free inf too?
Finally, something good about PvP.
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*although I did do a bit of "PvP Arena farming" against my 2nd acct before that got fixed....stupidly sold my pvp recipes that I got right then instead of holding off and getting more for them
Don't have any pvp recipes in any of my toons; don't pvp (anything more than 5 mins at the most in 1 month that is)....so... meh
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And I can't wait for when (and if) the devs fix AFK pvp farming and then we'll have all the cries about them fixing it (it will be a "nerf" though
I'm curious how would you solve the issue? Make self-rez powers not work in pvp areas? Can't use awakens? Can't use rez's at all in pvp zones (except for taking the hospital of course)?
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