Really, devs? REALLY? AFK farming is ok?
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Posted on: 2011-12-18 20:35 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Ya know, screw it. I'll be proudly firing up my afk farmers today. I'm simply performing a service for the masses, right?
Granted, I'm a rank amateur compared to the serious afk'rs, but gimme a few days to register eight more accounts and level up a regen mule on each one.....  I have seen the light! Thank you all for your contributions. |
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Ingenious... but how do you stop it? Don't allow self-rez powers to be put on Auto? Have some watchdog app that looks for suspicious behavior? GM Policing?
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
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More people PvPing who find them and farm the farmers?
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
[/LIST]Ingenious... but how do you stop it? Don't allow self-rez powers to be put on Auto? Have some watchdog app that looks for suspicious behavior? GM Policing?
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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That's the best solution! Kill the killer, and farm the rezzer yourself! |
Originally Posted by Siolfir
More people PvPing who find them and farm the farmers?
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Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
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Limit the PVP drops a character can receive in a real-time fashion.
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
[/LIST]Ingenious... but how do you stop it? Don't allow self-rez powers to be put on Auto? Have some watchdog app that looks for suspicious behavior? GM Policing?
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Another reasonable solution. I'm surprised they didn't do this from the outset, since PvP is inherently exploitable.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Limit the PVP drops a character can receive in a real-time fashion.
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Agua Man lvl 48 Water/Electric Blaster
"To die hating NCSoft for shutting down City of Heroes, that was Freedom."
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There's a timer already. It's just based on killing the same person over and over "ie, you already killed them, so kill someone else for the next while" rather than "you already got a drop tonight, you can't have another one".|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Limit the PVP drops a character can receive in a real-time fashion.
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That's why people are farming multiple free accounts instead of just one.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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Basically if PVP was actually a going concern, it'd police itself. Since you really SHOULDN'T be AFK'ing in a PVP zone. The fact that it's successful as it is shows how low and erratic the population in PVP actually is.
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Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
[/LIST]Ingenious... but how do you stop it? Don't allow self-rez powers to be put on Auto? Have some watchdog app that looks for suspicious behavior? GM Policing?
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And I'm saying to limit it temporally based on the character receiving the reward rather than their target. To make it: "You already got a drop this week, you can't have another one."
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Originally Posted by Siolfir
There's a timer already. It's just based on killing the same person over and over "ie, you already killed them, so kill someone else for the next while" rather than "you already got a drop tonight, you can't have another one".
That's why people are farming multiple free accounts instead of just one. |
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The problem is, this will also wind up hurting PVPers and make these recipes even HARDER to get by any method other than outright purchase through merits/cash/what-have-you.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Limit the PVP drops a character can receive in a real-time fashion.
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That would only matter "if PVP was actually a going concern". |
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
The problem is, this will also wind up hurting PVPers
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In any case, if the paltry reward from the SSA have to be restricted to once per week, one PVP IO recipe a week seems more than fair.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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afk farming really doesn't bother anyone besides the farmer who gets sent to the hospital every night until he/she pays for his/her pvp farm permit (going rate is 1 billion per month, small price to pay to cheat death). Take advantage of their vulnerabilities! And report people who use map exploits to get free rewards (like under the rocket in warburg). Just throwing in my thoughts. Have a nice day and g'luck on getting your drops.
oh..and after they pay you to not kill them. Kill them anyways.
Kill the enemy. Take their souls. Drink their blood.
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Which I wholeheartedly disagree with since it won't fix the issue, it will simply artificially limit supply of an already moderate-demand, extremely-low-supply item that has already been artificially inflated with a timer without really solving the issue since people with multiple accounts (that can get IO drops) could still set up multiple characters and AFK farm.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
And I'm saying to limit it temporally based on the character receiving the reward rather than their target. To make it: "You already got a drop this week, you can't have another one."
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If you're that opposed to people AFK farming PvP drops, simply go find them and kill their characters yourself.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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The Devs don't care. As soon as PvP IOs went live PvPrs discovered that they simply did not drop during normal PvP activity, due to players trying to evade damage and spikes, an action contrary to the intent of PvP IO drops.|
Originally Posted by mauk2
Okay, I understand the reasoning behind MARTy.
The game is susceptible to buff stacking until it's broken. I get that. But the AFK PVP IO farming? That Is Utterly Egregious. (Look up the damn word if you have to.) People are making STUPID levels of rewards, WHILE THEY ARE ASLEEP. The most profitable way TO PLAY YOUR GAME, is to do it while you're sleeping. Really Dev's? Is this the play style you WANT to promote? DO SOMETHING. |
During the last league on Freedom, the team that tore through everyone else generated maybe a handful of drops at that. I got a Glad Jav triple in a practice.
PvPers need MULTIPLE glad jav procs and MULTIPLE of everything else. If you don't want us farming, RAISE THE DAMNED DROP RATE so that we can get our stuff faster. Then they will sell for 50-100,000,000 like most other stuff outside purples and we'll all be happy.
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Most of the PvP sets do not have very good bonuses for PvE.
And the most sought after PvP unique, the Gladiator Unique has all of its true value wrapped up in 3% DEF for 2 to 2.5 billion. The Steadfast Unique provides the same bonus for about 15 to 30 million. I personally think the devs should shut down PvP AFK farming by actually making the system for earning PvPs through actual PvP more attractive. I'd like to see the devs give real value to the people who actually do want to PvP and make the system for drops attractive to them, unlike the nightmare it is now where going AFK for 18-20 hours and farming yourself is the best method. |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
AFK PvP farming is easy to stop if you want to do something about it yourself:
Kill the character doing the farming. Only one of them will be set to auto-rez, because the other is set to auto-attack. Kill the one auto-attacking and their farming is ruined. |
I've seen tons of farms around Warburg. Just find them, attack the farming toon and they have to come back to the keyboard by going to the hospital and setting up again. Then, KILL THEM AGAIN. I remember X-Funk (when he was around more) actually went server to server wrecking farms, was hilarious.
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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
Increase drops for PvP IOs, the majority of those set bonuses are garbage to even warrant the crap tier drop ratio they have.
The only thing I want from them is damage procs on the uniques. The rest of the set can die in a fire. |
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I don't personally care about it either way, having no interest in PVP or the IOs therein. Another solution to the imagined problem I might suggest is to artificially inflate the supply, thus killing the necessity for any such farming.|
Originally Posted by Siolfir
Which I wholeheartedly disagree with since it won't fix the issue, it will simply artificially limit supply of an already moderate-demand, extremely-low-supply item that has already been artificially inflated with a timer without really solving the issue since people with multiple accounts (that can get IO drops) could still set up multiple characters and AFK farm.
If you're that opposed to people AFK farming PvP drops, simply go find them and kill their characters yourself. |
Of course, getting rid of the PVP zones and associated IOs altogether would also work.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
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And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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I think increasing the drop rate would make everybody happy and would kill the farming much faster than any method which reduces the rate at which they're generated.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
I don't personally care about it either way, having no interest in PVP or the IOs therein. Another solution to the imagined problem I might suggest is to artificially inflate the supply, thus killing the necessity for any such farming.
Of course, getting rid of the PVP zones and associated IOs altogether would also work. |
The last line doesn't really qualify as a reasonable suggestion - it would be like saying that they could just as easily cure the issue by removing the whole invention system or simply shutting down all of the servers.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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It occurs to me that the Devs could probably solve AFK farming by having PvP zones spawn ambushes.
This would be on the principle that AFK farming is abuse of the system and therefore inherently an exploit. It would not however make PvP more fun or garner goodwill with the playerbase, so probably not a priority unless people start quitting en masse due to outrage at the abuse or something.
Of course, they could go the other way and make the drops more frequent, but that just encourages more abuse as well.
I guess they'd need to make the drops more frequent and use ambushes or zone events to make actual PvP a more attractive method of getting these drops than afk farming.
Underlying all of this is the need to revamp PvP so that it is more fun. Balance ain't got nothing to do with it; that's what DR and the other I13 changes directly addressed, not to mention multiple builds.
Personally, I can't think of a single MMORPG with PvP that is more fun, varied, story-driven and balanced than the PvP in this game. FPS are a whole different animal, IMO.
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Sure. Why not? I want to be able to easily ask for (and get) 4 billion for a PVP Unique...
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
That would only matter "if PVP was actually a going concern".
In any case, if the paltry reward from the SSA have to be restricted to once per week, one PVP IO recipe a week seems more than fair. |
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Originally Posted by Kitsune9tails
Underlying all of this is the need to revamp PvP so that it is more fun.
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Well, let's see. PvP came to the game in Issue 4? It was revamped in I13, 9 issues later. And 9 issues after I13 would be...|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
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Issue 22...
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Originally Posted by Kitsune9tails
Well, let's see. PvP came to the game in Issue 4? It was revamped in I13, 9 issues later. And 9 issues after I13 would be...
Issue 22... ... |
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Really? I mean, really?
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Originally Posted by EarthWyrm
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.
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Originally Posted by Brillig
It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.
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Oh, no, inf is not an issue with me.
Ya know, screw it. I'll be proudly firing up my afk farmers today. I'm simply performing a service for the masses, right?
Granted, I'm a rank amateur compared to the serious afk'rs, but gimme a few days to register eight more accounts and level up a regen mule on each one.....
I have seen the light! Thank you all for your contributions.