Really, devs? REALLY? AFK farming is ok?
Which actually means there's 2 things that need fixed.... PVP IOs need to drop more frequently and AFK farming should be made impossible.
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Likely, if they fixed it so that PVP IOs dropped more regularly, they'd wind up having to nerf them fairly drastically.
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Never, in the history of the millions of market transactions this game has had since it's creation, was the sales price set by the seller. There's sellers out there who list thier item above what people are willing to pay, and their item will sit there unsold for months and months. Thus, what you're describing is already happening.
The prices are set by the decisions of the masses. One might even suggest that because it is a mass decision and not made by one individual, it is by definition rational. And those of people who disagree with that mass decision are thus, by definition, irrational. Now, when it comes to most things in life, yes, it's good to be in the "irrational minority".... but it doesn't really makes a lot of sense to suggest that everyone who's acting rationally is doing something "stoopid."
That said, the rest of your post I pretty much agree with.
I gotta make pain. I gotta make things right. I gotta stop what's comin'. 'Least I gotta try.
Or, if you repeated them, there would be no XP, Prestige, Inf, Salvage, Recipe or Enhancement drops.
I gotta make pain. I gotta make things right. I gotta stop what's comin'. 'Least I gotta try.
Lol the devs seem to have changed to loveing farming. Look at their shiney new end game as proof. I-trials are all about farming. The drop rate for PvP ios is such that I can afk farm for 18-20 hours straight and I usually get 0-1 so nerf it and all the PvE's precious 3% procs will explode in price. Personally I only sell the procs everything else goes in my base for future toons and afk farming is litterally the only way to get enough of these to io a PvP toon now.
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As a player that loves rewards there is no way I'm going to PvP for an extremely rare chance for a drop AND then on top of that have to deal with the timer.
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As a player that loves rewards there is no way I'm going to PvP.
No reason to nerf them... they're not excessivly good. They're not trash... but they're not overpowering by any stretch.
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Plus the fact that THE SET BONUSES EXEMP LIKE PURPLES?
Likely, if they fixed it so that PVP IOs dropped more regularly, they'd wind up having to nerf them fairly drastically.
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And the most sought after PvP unique, the Gladiator Unique has all of its true value wrapped up in 3% DEF for 2 to 2.5 billion.
The Steadfast Unique provides the same bonus for about 15 to 30 million.
I personally think the devs should shut down PvP AFK farming by actually making the system for earning PvPs through actual PvP more attractive.
While the attractiveness of PvP to PvE players is a whole other issue, I think that if they implemented a method to track real kills vs. farming kills perhaps using MARTy, they should implement a method of earning PvP merits similar to Empyrean merits.
I think most of the list of Empyrean and Astral purchasable items should have a near equivalent version for PvP merit vendors.
Except PvP IOs would be slightly cheaper at the PvP vendors, and standard recipies would slightly more expensive.
I'd like to see the devs give real value to the people who actually do want to PvP and make the system for drops attractive to them, unlike the nightmare it is now where going AFK for 18-20 hours and farming yourself is the best method.
I gotta make pain. I gotta make things right. I gotta stop what's comin'. 'Least I gotta try.
And what about us PvP'rs who can't AFK farm? Because of AFK farming, those that do it having a huge advantage over those that don't from the start; whether it helps the market or not, it still doesn't change the fact that AFK farming is the only viable way to afford all this crap anyway. I would rather AFK farming be nerfed and no one be able to afford this stuff than have the imbalance right now that gimps me from the start. I'm dueling regularly on Freedom without PvP IOs right now, and let me tell you, it's a pain in the ***.
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Also, why CAN'T you AFK farm?
Honestly, I call shenanigans. You may not be able to do it at the same scale as some of the guys with the really POWERFUL computers. But you can likely support at least one alt.
Or are you still running a 2Ghz P4 with 1GB of RAMBUS memory and a GeForce 256?
Oh bull. While it's MORE cumbersome than AFK farming, you could drag alts through tip missions and SSAs for Alignment Merits. It's not as fast, but it's doable.
Also, why CAN'T you AFK farm? Honestly, I call shenanigans. You may not be able to do it at the same scale as some of the guys with the really POWERFUL computers. But you can likely support at least one alt. Or are you still running a 2Ghz P4 with 1GB of RAMBUS memory and a GeForce 256? |
K, then. I want so see *everyone* farming. I want to log in tonight and see 6 instances of RV.
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I personally think the devs should shut down PvP AFK farming by actually making the system for earning PvPs through actual PvP more attractive.
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And even if they WERE able to at this late date, it still would be wasted labor. Myriad other concerns, besides mere technical adjustment, poison the chances that PVP will ever become meaningful. Not the least of it being the absolutely vile behavior of a certain segment of the PVP population.
If they want to pull the fangs of the whole PVP farming issue, they need to make earning them easier. Both in-PVP and out. Right now, PVP IOs are more expensive than purples in terms of Alignment Merit cost.
While the attractiveness of PvP to PvE players is a whole other issue, |
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It's part and parcel of the whole. What you're attempting to do is talk about what a smooth ride a car would give...if it had tires and an engine...
I think that if they implemented a method to track real kills vs. farming kills perhaps using MARTy, they should implement a method of earning PvP merits similar to Empyrean merits. |
PVPBroot kills JoeBlaster
PVPBroot kills NoController
PVPBroot kills LOLKheldianPVP
Are the devs going to track whether the people have been standing still?
And what kind of load would that granularity of tracking impose on a shard?
Except PvP IOs would be slightly cheaper at the PvP vendors, and standard recipies would slightly more expensive. |
Yeah. Good plan!
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I'd like to see the devs give real value to the people who actually do want to PvP and make the system for drops attractive to them, unlike the nightmare it is now where going AFK for 18-20 hours and farming yourself is the best method. |
- Invent Time Machine
- Go back to the first days of Cryptic's meetings for CoH's planning.
- Hold a gun to their heads until they put "Balanced PVP" at the top of the list.
Or you could do the following.
- Throw several million dollars at NCSoft and Paragon Studios to fund the development of "PVP Your Way".
AFK PvP farming is easy to stop if you want to do something about it yourself:
Kill the character doing the farming. Only one of them will be set to auto-rez, because the other is set to auto-attack. Kill the one auto-attacking and their farming is ruined.
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Oh bull. While it's MORE cumbersome than AFK farming, you could drag alts through tip missions and SSAs for Alignment Merits. It's not as fast, but it's doable.
Also, why CAN'T you AFK farm? Honestly, I call shenanigans. You may not be able to do it at the same scale as some of the guys with the really POWERFUL computers. But you can likely support at least one alt. Or are you still running a 2Ghz P4 with 1GB of RAMBUS memory and a GeForce 256? |
K, then. I want so see *everyone* farming. I want to log in tonight and see 6 instances of RV.
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Granted, it'd be an AFK ganker's wet dream.
A bit off topic, but can I use this system as a means to get my PvP Rep badges, I hate PvP and my server doesn't really do it, so would this system be a nice way around it?
Too many 50's to list here's a few you may know.
Slazenger, Area51, Area53, Area54, Erruption, Mind Plague, Thresher, Sheath, Broadside, Debt
The other alternative is to set up a massive active farm: Get 50 people to go to Warburg with their insp tray full of only wakies. Pack together tightly at the globe. Then pretend it's a Mothership raid and everyone else is a Rikti. No defense powers. Let yourself be killed and do a lot of killing. When you run out of wakies, go to hosp and come pack full of wakies.
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Nice one , cheers Zombie Man.
Too many 50's to list here's a few you may know.
Slazenger, Area51, Area53, Area54, Erruption, Mind Plague, Thresher, Sheath, Broadside, Debt
The other alternative is to set up a massive active farm: Get 50 people to go to Warburg with their insp tray full of only wakies. Pack together tightly at the globe. Then pretend it's a Mothership raid and everyone else is a Rikti. No defense powers. Let yourself be killed and do a lot of killing. When you run out of wakies, go to hosp and come pack full of wakies.
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For some odd reason I'd rather see this than an AFK farm. I don't believe in getting xps/rewards while afk but if the player is willing to gank and be ganked with 50 others all doing the same thing for 8 hours then that's their lookout. How they spend their time in-game is up tot them.
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Whether the bonuses are "crappier" (which is a completely subjective judgement) is irrelevant. The fact is, the bonuses still exemp all the way down.
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As they've already added some of the better sets going, I think we will just see more of this.
So what again is the issue with PvP Sets exemping down?
And the PvP IO set bonuses for PvE are not subjective compared to Purples. They are not as good as purple sets, if they were you would see higher prices for them than we do now.
A handful of very specific bonuses are better than a handful of tiny counterparts, for example the +HP bonus in SW vs. the +HP bonus in LoTG.
Then other sets for PvE are not even worth looking at, the TAoE set is worse than Posi Blast.
And Posi pretty much sucks, it just happens to be the only halfway decent option that isn't Ragnarok.
Sorry, but it isn't going to happen. They, quite simply, are incapable of balancing PVP (to the point that they've stopped even trying).
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Why are you playing a game where you feel the current dev team, which is doing new and creative things IMO, is unable to accomplish this feat of balancing PvP?
If you think the developers of the game you play suck so bad, you might want to move on in life.
And even if they WERE able to at this late date, it still would be wasted labor.
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That's the market segment that will spend any amount of INF, and any amount of real cash if you let them, to totally pimp their builds out.
So just so we are clear - those players, could be made to be very profitable.
That's not wasted labor.
If someone's rocking 10 accounts, how is that going to be much different from PVP'ing against another team?
PVPBroot kills JoeBlaster PVPBroot kills NoController PVPBroot kills LOLKheldianPVP Are the devs going to track whether the people have been standing still? And what kind of load would that granularity of tracking impose on a shard? |
Step 2, there is no step 2.
If someone is actively playing 10 accounts at once and killing them-self, yeah I don't we need to worry about Mr. 1 in 50,000 edge-case.
So instead of farming the IOs directly, they farm the PvP merits?
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This is doable.
Maybe you're just unable to see past your own bombastic negativity?
I ignored the rest of your post, because you don't seem to be able to have a discussion like a grown up.
Among my 3 mains, I've been running Incarnate level TF and Trials getting regular Merits which I translate into Alignment Merits and the Empyrean Merits. I'm within striking distance of all three being able to each buy 2 PvP+3%Def. That's 12 Billion worth of INF (if I don't bother with trying to sell them for more than 2 Bill with a direct trade).
That's not counting all the other INF and drops I make with all that play time.
Farm away.
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