What are you expecting for a solo Incarnate path?
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Posted on: 2011-11-17 20:47 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Actual solo content. If they allow teaming it isn't a SOLO Incarnate path.
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No, if they force teaming it isn't a solo path. If they *allow* teaming, as in optional, then it can be done solo. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Actual solo content. If they allow teaming it isn't a SOLO Incarnate path.
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You just love nitpicking don't you?
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I said that's what I wanted - now let's hope they do right with the implementation. DA is a fine zone for the conversion.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Some more news, taken from the Unanswered Pummit Questions thread:
So there you have it. Dark Astoria will be the solo incarnate content. |
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You forgot the part where a female character dies, old villain groups are transformed to look more Japanese, and every new contact is a super zany snarker.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
That's only because the Puddle of Annoyance decided to wake the Banished Pantheon up to further test us because...wait for it...they were a test inflicted on humanity by the Puddle all along!!!!
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I was hoping Shadow Shard would be redone. Though I'm okay with DA as well. Maybe future incarnate stuff will get to the Shadow Shard. It's a juicy fruit ripe for use. The entire dimension is full of untapped potential and wasted opportunities. And would easily present a chance for enemies that can pose a threat to incarnates.
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Originally Posted by Fritzy
I said that's what I wanted - now let's hope they do right with the implementation. DA is a fine zone for the conversion.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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I'm kind of wondering if they won't seal off the Talos Island entrance and put in something like the Imperial Underground portals for hero/villainside.
Or at least keep the front door for heroes and provide a new door for villains to pop in.
This is sounding good so far. The DA revamp alone is a great idea; I've always felt that was a cool zone. As annoying as the fog can be, I have to admit I hope it remains in some way. It makes for a spooky atmosphere. Maybe the haunted house will show up as a permanent feature? Nah, I guess that's too much to hope for.
I'm finally feeling happy about this game again! Thanks, devs (and the folks who are reporting all the news).
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If they don't, then all those Banished Pantheon who wander out onto Talos Island at night will be level 50 |
Originally Posted by Agent White
I'm kind of wondering if they won't seal off the Talos Island entrance and put in something like the Imperial Underground portals for hero/villainside.
Or at least keep the front door for heroes and provide a new door for villains to pop in. |
@Golden Girl
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For me its not a big deal cause everything I play is fire, but I could only hope that they would balance their resistances for endgame content.
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Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
You hear that? That is the sound of a thousand Psi and Dark Blasters crying.
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Then I guess it's safe to say the next Hazard zone will be Talos revamped as Mot's horde pushes outward |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
If they don't, then all those Banished Pantheon who wander out onto Talos Island at night will be level 50
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Numerous people have put their time where their mouth is by recording videos of doing deeds other people claim to be impossible. Why do you think people like you and FFM should get to make factually wrong claims without any burden of proof and get away with it? Do you think you're a better person than everyone else, that your opinion is worth more and the rest of us are inferior beings? |
Agreed. Also wil lforce some folks to just go join the group leauges anyway if you cant downgrade to an EB. You tell me the defender who isn't rad/kin/dark coupled with anything that isn't sonic blast that giggles at AV's let alone EB's if they havent got the controls to pema mez said AV while painfully slowly whittlin it down to defeated status. You can't perma mez till mercifully dead anything that that has the triangle, and that even if you pick the right epic to stck with whatver you may or may not have for mezes from prim/sec powersets. Honestly Floating man, my friend... I think some of these other folks think these kind of things should be made nail-biting challenging for melee and perfect powerset combos as a default. Please NO Dev's. Always remember you have left some Primary/Secondary combos even when combined with some epic sets as horribly under par no matter how they are slotted/enhnaced/enhance bonused-fied. Such solo missions must be doable by something that takes 5-10 min to slowley whittle away an EB's health bar let alone tackle an AV solo. |
Yuck... Is all I have to say.
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I'm guessing the arcs in the new DA will be solo-able. I can't see them dropping an AV in a arc that wasn't down-gradable. I'm guessing it would be like the PI arcs from Maria Jenkins, and I have no problem grabbing 1-7 of my usual playing group and running this- that type of teaming I'm perfectly fine with.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Actual solo content. If they allow teaming it isn't a SOLO Incarnate path.
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"Well, there's going to be some light music and a short note of apology saying, 'The universe ended last week, we're really sorry, we don't know what you're doing here, didn't you get the message?'"- Steve Moffat
If there is an Incarnate Path that does not allow teaming, then I hope some interesting tech has been invented that allows you to balance content based on the build (not AT) of the player.
Story Arcs I created:
Every Rose: (#17702) Villainous vs Legacy Chain. Forget Arachnos, join the CoT!
Cosplay Madness!: (#3643) Neutral vs Custom Foes. Heroes at a pop culture convention!
Kiss Hello Goodbye: (#156389) Heroic vs Custom Foes. Film Noir/Hardboiled detective adventure!
Well, this leaves me feeling guardedly optimistic. On the face of it, it seems to touch all the right bases. I hope they do a good job with it, and if they do, I hope they continue to add such content alongside iTrials in the future.
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I'm not sure if he just left it out or not, but there was no mention of IXP in the list of Incarnate rewards in DA - which might mean that's one of the ways they'll slow down the non-Trial progress, by getting players to convert their Threads into IXP, rather than converting them into components.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
So there you have it. Dark Astoria will be the solo incarnate content.
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@Golden Girl
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I'm actually ok with this as long as the drop rate for threads are not like the Purple drop rate. That means you can unlock the higher Powers by just street sweeping.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I'm not sure if he just left it out or not, but there was no mention of IXP in the list of Incarnate rewards in DA - which might mean that's one of the ways they'll slow down the non-Trial progress, by getting players to convert their Threads into IXP, rather than converting them into components.
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"Well, there's going to be some light music and a short note of apology saying, 'The universe ended last week, we're really sorry, we don't know what you're doing here, didn't you get the message?'"- Steve Moffat
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They won't be that rare, but they'll be quite a bit rarer than Thread drops on Trials |
Originally Posted by Benchpresser
I'm actually ok with this as long as the drop rate for threads are not like the Purple drop rate. That means you can unlock the higher Powers by just street sweeping.
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Also, I wonder if only the Alpha level shift will work outside the missions, but we can be +3 inside the missions, or if the entire zone will only allow us to be +3?
With mobs being 50-54, letting people be +3 might make the street sweeping too easy - if the mobs were 54-54+4, then there'd be no problem with letting people be +3.
@Golden Girl
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This doesn't make much sense. Remember we are talking SOLO and/or small teams here. Currently, they allow groups of 24 people who could all be +3 go against regular 54s in many situations.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
With mobs being 50-54, letting people be +3 might make the street sweeping too easy - if the mobs were 54-54+4, then there'd be no problem with letting people be +3.
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Personally, I imagine that the entire zone will allow for the +3, or, the zone will only have enemies up to like 52 and only allow Alpha and door missions will allow +3 and have 54s.
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They've said the zone is 50-54 - allowing +3s to street sweep 50s could lead to rewards coming too fast, with zero challenge.|
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven
This doesn't make much sense. Remember we are talking SOLO and/or small teams here. Currently, they allow groups of 24 people who could all be +3 go against regular 54s in many situations.
Personally, I imagine that the entire zone will allow for the +3, or, the zone will only have enemies up to like 52 and only allow Alpha and door missions will allow +3 and have 54s. |
Even with just the Aplha shift, that means that players will be taking on blues and whites - and even without the other 2 level shifts, full Incarnates are still going to be running around with their Lore pets and unleashing Judgement attacks on blue and white mobs.
Street sweeping drop rates will need to be attractive enough to be an option, but not enough to be the first choice for getting Incarnate rewards.
@Golden Girl
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I would imagine the reworked BP will have all kinds of tricks like the ACU/BCU stacking To Hit Buffs etc that will make even +1s sweat a bit- Not to mention the nastiness that Incarnate-level Tsoo could be (exploding Caltrops anyone? Spirits with Unstoppable?).|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
They've said the zone is 50-54 - allowing +3s to street sweep 50s could lead to rewards coming too fast, with zero challenge.
Even with just the Aplha shift, that means that players will be taking on blues and whites - and even without the other 2 level shifts, full Incarnates are still going to be running around with their Lore pets and unleashing Judgement attacks on blue and white mobs. Street sweeping drop rates will need to be attractive enough to be an option, but not enough to be the first choice for getting Incarnate rewards. |
I usually get 4-5 Thread drops a Trial, if I get around 3-4 a street sweep I'll be happy. That's still 12-16% toward an unlock, which is far faster than now using shard farming.
"Well, there's going to be some light music and a short note of apology saying, 'The universe ended last week, we're really sorry, we don't know what you're doing here, didn't you get the message?'"- Steve Moffat
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By street sweep, do you mean clearing the entire zone?
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Originally Posted by Benchpresser
I would imagine the reworked BP will have all kinds of tricks like the ACU/BCU stacking To Hit Buffs etc that will make even +1s sweat a bit- Not to mention the nastiness that Incarnate-level Tsoo could be (exploding Caltrops anyone? Spirits with Unstoppable?).
I usually get 4-5 Thread drops a Trial, if I get around 3-4 a street sweep I'll be happy. That's still 12-16% toward an unlock, which is far faster than now using shard farming. |
@Golden Girl
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It would be washed away anyway by the tears caused by the solo "grind"
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Big Wide Grin. No tears here. I don't mind grind at all. As long as the materials drop faster than shards, I will be happy. My 50s are not getting shards at all, at 2/2-2/4, so I am predisposed to be a happy camper
And, if I do fall flat on my face as far as incarnating myself goes, well, we will have new content for 50s
Street Sweeping PI at level 50 is sort of boring
Dark Astoria, hmmm,
Lisa wanders out of thread wondering which of her 50s is best suited to the job of fighting the Banished Pants.
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I expect it to be a another VIP pacifier, to keep old-timers interested until the F2P player base builds enough to replace the cash flow. But that's just me... if you enjoy Incarnates content, then I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
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"Another"? Got any examples of these previous VIP "pacifiers" Because giving free access to new zones and mission content for people who pay 15 bucks a month is kinda what they've been doing since 2004 |
Originally Posted by Jet_Boy
I expect it to be a another VIP pacifier, to keep old-timers interested until the F2P player base builds enough to replace the cash flow. But that's just me... if you enjoy Incarnates content, then I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
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@Golden Girl
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Some more news, taken from the Unanswered Pummit Questions thread:
Stopping in here to answer some questions:
Dark Astoria critters and mission content will provide threads, components, and both Astral and Empyrean merits.
Dark Astoria has Incarnate story arc, repeatable mission content, and level 50 to 54 npc enemies from several villain groups if you feel like street sweeping.
So there you have it. Dark Astoria will be the solo incarnate content.