Reward timers on Signature Storyarcs are all tied to the same timer?
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Posted on: 2011-10-11 18:49 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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For hundreds of dollars per character? No...not really.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Haven't hero merits already been massivly devalued by the devs offering complete IO sets through the store?
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Big, big, pet peeve of mine. If you're going to have dialogue, leave space for the player to read it. I hate having to have to chose between closing and ignoring it, or leaving it open and having text on my screen during the fight.
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And while I read through the text (when the ambushes aren't coming at me so damn heavily that I have to speed-click through them so I can see stuff, First Ward Content I'm Looking At You!).
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Originally Posted by Kyriani
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess this was your first time running it on those toons
 You get a "first time" reward always for each arc after the first time doing each part of the arc doing ANY part in the series will trigger a cooldown on said reward. Try it again in 7 days and I GUARANTEE you won't be getting 30 threads. This is how it works: Fresh toon who never did SSA's: VERY First time doing hero SSA1.1 10 threads VERY First time doing hero SSA1.2 10 threads VERY First time doing villain SSA1.1 10 threads because you havent done any subsequent SSA's yet VERY First time doing villain SSA1.2 no threads because you cannot choose that reward again this week. You see 30 threads the FIRST week but you wont see 30 next week. Next week same character First time (this week but not your first time ever) doing hero SSA1.1 10 threads First time (this week but not your first time ever) doing hero SSA1.2 cannot choose 10 threads again because you're now on the 1 week cooldown and have used up your "first time" rewards the previous week. Swapping to villain side's version of the arcs results in the same... cannot choose 10 threads cause it's on cooldown. |
Imagine what it will be like for a new 50 who avoids playing most of the SSA's whilst levelling.
10 threads for first completion for as many SSAs as exist.
OK there are only two now, but when there are a dozen or more in game.
That's a decent start on the progress beyond the alpha slot.
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The SSAs had a good chance of curbing farming by not sharing a pool but they blew that chance when they made them share a pool.
Not that I am against farming but if the devs wanted to stop it without breaking the economy this would have been a good chance.
A few quick questions about the rewards for SSA, for those more in the loop than I am:
If I choose a Hero Merit for the first arc, then immediately run the second arc, can I choose a Hero Merit again? I'm guessing 'no' - that's been implied in the thread, but if someone could explicitly clarify this for me, I'd appreciate it.
If I choose a Hero Merit for the first arc, can I still choose regular merits for the second arc while the 7-day timer is still running? Or do I just not get a reward table at all if I run the next installment while the timer is still counting down?
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1. Each arc gives to each alt one freebie Alignment Merit that doesn't count against any timer.|
Originally Posted by The_Hegemon
A few quick questions about the rewards for SSA, for those more in the loop than I am:
If I choose a Hero Merit for the first arc, then immediately run the second arc, can I choose a Hero Merit again? I'm guessing 'no' - that's been implied in the thread, but if someone could explicitly clarify this for me, I'd appreciate it. If I choose a Hero Merit for the first arc, can I still choose regular merits for the second arc while the 7-day timer is still running? Or do I just not get a reward table at all if I run the next installment while the timer is still counting down? |
2. After that freebie A-Merit, then all the SSAs might as well be just one arc. It doesn't matter which ones a character runs (the same one over and over or different ones) because that character is presented with the same reward table that applies to all arcs presenting each reward on that table on a 7 day cool down.
Example: You create a new hero, level it up to 30. Run the Hero Morality mission and get 50 regular Merits. Then Run the Hero Morality Mission again for a Hero Merit (takes at least 4 days to run the two Morality Missions).
Now, the following takes place all on the same day... Currently there are two SSAs. So, you run the two SSAs and collect 2 Hero Merits. Those are the two freebies. Run either SSA again, and get another Hero Merit. That's the one on a timer. Run either SSA again that day... and no Hero Merit. You have to wait seven days for a Hero Merit from either (but not both) SSAs.
Now, surprise, the third SSA is just released that same day (it hasn't yet, this is just for the sake of argument). You run that and get its freebie Hero Merit. You run it again... and no Hero Merit. All the SSAs are on the same timer for the non-freebie Hero Merit.
So, you switch to a level 50 alt who has never done any SSAs (but has reinforced its Hero alignment). That alt can pick up the three freebie Hero Merits from the three SSAs and then one more from the timer by running any of the three SSAs. After that... it has to wait a week for another shot at just one Hero Merit from the shared reward table.
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Thanks for clarifying.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
1. Each arc gives to each alt one freebie Alignment Merit that doesn't count against any timer.
2. After that freebie A-Merit, then all the SSAs might as well be just one arc. It doesn't matter which ones a character runs (the same one over and over or different ones) because that character is presented with the same reward table that applies to all arcs presenting each reward on that table on a 7 day cool down. Example: You create a new hero, level it up to 30. Run the Hero Morality mission and get 50 regular Merits. Then Run the Hero Morality Mission again for a Hero Merit (takes at least 4 days to run the two Morality Missions). Now, the following takes place all on the same day... Currently there are two SSAs. So, you run the two SSAs and collect 2 Hero Merits. Those are the two freebies. Run either SSA again, and get another Hero Merit. That's the one on a timer. Run either SSA again that day... and no Hero Merit. You have to wait seven days for a Hero Merit from either (but not both) SSAs. Now, surprise, the third SSA is just released that same day (it hasn't yet, this is just for the sake of argument). You run that and get its freebie Hero Merit. You run it again... and no Hero Merit. All the SSAs are on the same timer for the non-freebie Hero Merit. So, you switch to a level 50 alt who has never done any SSAs (but has reinforced its Hero alignment). That alt can pick up the three freebie Hero Merits from the three SSAs and then one more from the timer by running any of the three SSAs. After that... it has to wait a week for another shot at just one Hero Merit from the shared reward table. |
If the seven-day timer is still running and I run the arc again, do I still have an option to pick an award that isn't an A-Merit? Or do I not get a table at all?
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You get to pick a different reward. But the other rewards are on a 7 day cooldown, too.
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Originally Posted by The_Hegemon
Thanks for clarifying.
If the seven-day timer is still running and I run the arc again, do I still have an option to pick an award that isn't an A-Merit? Or do I not get a table at all? |
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If you are eligible, in one week from the SSA reward table you can get:|
Originally Posted by The_Hegemon
Thanks for clarifying.
If the seven-day timer is still running and I run the arc again, do I still have an option to pick an award that isn't an A-Merit? Or do I not get a table at all? |
1 Alignment Merit
20 Reward Merits
1 Astral Merit
10 Incarnate Threads
If you complete it after that, you only get 5 Reward Merits as an option.
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I know why Zombie Man put it this way but to clarify the first run gives you one shot at any reward on that table not just the Alignment Merit. |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
1. Each arc gives to each alt one freebie Alignment Merit that doesn't count against any timer.
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Now the value of those rewards are less then the Alignment Merit so most would choose that.
However as Cat alluded to earlier if you are trying to get threads you could save the SSA's until level 50 and then run them all and collect the threads as your first time reward.
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You have an extra step in there.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Example: You create a new hero, level it up to 30. Run the Hero Morality mission and get 50 regular Merits. Then Run the Hero Morality Mission again for a Hero Merit (takes at least 4 days to run the two Morality Missions).
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1) Create a hero and get to 30.
2) Run the Hero Morality mission and get 50 Reward Merits.
3) Profit. You are now eligible to earn A-Merits from the Signature Arcs.
If you start as a hero and run a Hero Morality mission ONCE, you have confirmed your alignment and are good to go. You don't need to run it again for an A-Merit.
If you start as a different alignment, you need to run a Hero Morality mission to change to hero, then ANOTHER Hero Morality mission to confirm.
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That's not my experience. When you get the 50 Reward Merits for the first Morality, it's not being counted as *reinforcing*. On two different toons since the Patch that reset things, after I got the 50 Merit reward, the SSA would not award Hero Merits. Had to run it again.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
You have an extra step in there.
1) Create a hero and get to 30. 2) Run the Hero Morality mission and get 50 Reward Merits. 3) Profit. You are now eligible to earn A-Merits from the Signature Arcs. If you start as a hero and run a Hero Morality mission ONCE, you have confirmed your alignment and are good to go. You don't need to run it again for an A-Merit. |
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My experience differs. I've done a single Morality mission on like EIGHT toons since that patch and the result has ALWAYS been the same. Doing ONE Morality mission to confirm alignment, and receiving the 50 Reward Merits, lets me earn A-Merits from the Signature arc.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
That's not my experience. When you get the 50 Reward Merits for the first Morality, it's not being counted as *reinforcing*. On two different toons since the Patch that reset things, after I got the 50 Merit reward, the SSA would not award Hero Merits. Had to run it again.
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In some cases, I have proceeded directly from doing the Morality mission to the Signature arc, and sometimes it was a day or two later. I have never failed to receive the A-Merit.
Either there is some bug consistently affecting you and not me, or you are misremembering something. I'm tracking this on a spreadsheet so I know who has done what and who to run through the arc next after the timer is up.
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I've only done it once (not eight times), but my experience mirrored Ironblade's. I tried the SSA.2 on a character who had not done tip missions and was offered the non-A-merit rewards table at the end. I then spent a week or so running through tip missions until I finished the morality mission and got the 50 reward merits (villainside, btw). Went back yesterday and took on the Rulu-shin again, and this time got the Villain merit. No need for further confirmation, and I still don't have the Frenzy power.
Not sure who's experience was bugged, but I'm hoping it's Zombie Man's. I don't care for random missions and I don't see myself running 2 dozen tip missions per character just to get alignment merits out of the SSAs.
Statesmonkey Sez: Lighten up! It's a game, for Lincoln's sake!
Also: Six years of casual play begins to look an awful lot like one year of hardcore play.
If they are going to start putting things like this one timers, then there needs to be a way for us to see when those timers expire. Either give us a window to view all our things still on timer or allow us to click on the contact and view it before running the arc only to find out our math was wrong or memory dodgy and get nothing from it.
I'm pretty sure there's something screwy with the trigger to mark you as a hero. I have one character who started in Praetoria, became a hero, did SSA#1, got the hero merit, then did SSA#2 and was not given the option of taking a hero merit because it said I needed to do a morality mission. I even have that little hero power, the pbaoe ally buff thing.
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I had to do the same. Is really annoying when I am at 0/10 and don't want to run tips missions.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
That's not my experience. When you get the 50 Reward Merits for the first Morality, it's not being counted as *reinforcing*. On two different toons since the Patch that reset things, after I got the 50 Merit reward, the SSA would not award Hero Merits. Had to run it again.
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Seriously? You expect a lot of people to fork out real cash for stuff instead of using them as a goal to pursue in game?|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Haven't hero merits already been massivly devalued by the devs offering complete IO sets through the store?
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"Yeah, let me spend money to achieve all my goals on this game so I no longer have any goals to chase ... Maybe I should go play that other game now."
And I say this as someone who has a lot of disposable income.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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That's what several people I play with reported also.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
That's not my experience. When you get the 50 Reward Merits for the first Morality, it's not being counted as *reinforcing*. On two different toons since the Patch that reset things, after I got the 50 Merit reward, the SSA would not award Hero Merits. Had to run it again.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
That's what several people I play with reported also.
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My villain mastermind run for the first time the morality mission and did "story arc 2" right after and got his villain merit.
Over the last week one blaster, two scrappers, one controller finish the moraltiy mission and run on sunday through "story arc 1" all of them got one hero merit.
All of the above chars did run the story arcs before the patch hit us.
Additional on five of my old chars that did the morality missions long time before there was still no negative changes. Got a/v merits right after the patch and now again without any problems.
So perhaps whatever is happening is inconsistent, and therefore likely a bug.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Firstly, having the power doesn't mean anything. If you're a Rogue and convert to Hero, you get the Countdown icon and 7 days later you get the Call to Justice power. You don't have to confirm anything to get the alignment powers.|
Originally Posted by peterpeter
I'm pretty sure there's something screwy with the trigger to mark you as a hero. I have one character who started in Praetoria, became a hero, did SSA#1, got the hero merit, then did SSA#2 and was not given the option of taking a hero merit because it said I needed to do a morality mission. I even have that little hero power, the pbaoe ally buff thing.
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Secondly, regarding the events you described, is it possible you did SSA#1 BEFORE the patch that changed the requirement and SSA#2 after the patch? That would explain those events.
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I guess that's possible. I can't remember exactly when I did SSA#1.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
Firstly, having the power doesn't mean anything. If you're a Rogue and convert to Hero, you get the Countdown icon and 7 days later you get the Call to Justice power. You don't have to confirm anything to get the alignment powers.
Secondly, regarding the events you described, is it possible you did SSA#1 BEFORE the patch that changed the requirement and SSA#2 after the patch? That would explain those events. |
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You get a "first time" reward always for each arc
after the first time doing each part of the arc doing ANY part in the series will trigger a cooldown on said reward.
Try it again in 7 days and I GUARANTEE you won't be getting 30 threads.
This is how it works:
Fresh toon who never did SSA's:
VERY First time doing hero SSA1.1 10 threads
VERY First time doing hero SSA1.2 10 threads
VERY First time doing villain SSA1.1 10 threads because you havent done any subsequent SSA's yet
VERY First time doing villain SSA1.2 no threads because you cannot choose that reward again this week.
You see 30 threads the FIRST week but you wont see 30 next week.
Next week same character
First time (this week but not your first time ever) doing hero SSA1.1 10 threads
First time (this week but not your first time ever) doing hero SSA1.2 cannot choose 10 threads again because you're now on the 1 week cooldown and have used up your "first time" rewards the previous week.
Swapping to villain side's version of the arcs results in the same... cannot choose 10 threads cause it's on cooldown.
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