Updated Forum Rules and Proposed Forum Changes
By
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Posted on: 2011-09-22 18:22 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
I'm a new player and I have no problem finding my way around the forums or the game for that matter.
This "things need to be easy for new players" thing is a bit silly and i't look to similiar to what they did in Star Wars Galaxy (R.I.P). The devs wanted the game to be "IZIII" for newbies and made it look like the "OTHER BIG MMO" or other mmos in general.
IMO you doing a similar thing - ie. more kill x mobs on the map missions, a tutorial similar to the other superhero mmo etc.
Updating the forums won't lure more playres in to the game TBH.
ps. I hope we won't see a "MEGA SUPER COMBAT UPDATE" that introduces global cooldown
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I think you have the wrong concept; the simplest and easiest to use format is where the organization of the forums mirrors the existing internal logic of the game and player presentation. If someone creates a Dominator and wants to ask a question or do some research, the most obvious place to look would be a forum titled "Dominators", not trying to figure out what arbitrary category they've been shoved into that may or may not reflect their own play experiences... Damage? Control? Support? Pets?|
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
I don't particularly view it as pigeonholing, simply as...well...simplifying. There's a rather large amount of forums to sift through here on our boards, and to a new, or even veteran player who hasn't spent time on the forums, it's a bit confusing.
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Reducing the clarity and organization of the forums at exactly the time when we're expecting (or at least hoping) for an influx of new and returning players seems to be a very poor choice. We should be aiming for clear, distinct, obvious choices; such that a player with little experience can immediately figure out where a post should go and have a good chance of finding specific information; not giant and somewhat controversial mish-mash categories that provide little organizational structure and make it more difficult to actually find relevant information within them.
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In my mind, NO real world discussion that are outside the genre of comics/heroes/gaming should be occurring on these forums. Personally, if I want to be reminded of a disaster, or the anniversary of a world event, or the impending release of Stupid Chick Flick 7, I need only look at the News. These forums are a place to go to enjoy the rich culture (and people) that this game has created and/or brought together. Leave the real world where it is.
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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
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Would events like the earthquake disaster in Japan qualify as an off-topic discussion? Some world events aren't political/religious in nature. |
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Controllers, defenders, and Corruptors also have melee attacks in their APP/EPP. I know scrappers and tanks that gear towards ranged attacks.|
Originally Posted by nytflyr
but what about dominators/blasters who are geared towards melee? listed are some examples (and the number of melee powers): Fire Manipulation (6), Ice Manipuation (5), Energy Manipulation (5), Electric Manipulation (7), Earth Assault (6)
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These are largely exceptions.
The vast majority of dominator & blasters attacks are ranged. They're largely a ranged ATs. Breaking them up in this way, FOR THE SAKE OF NEWBS SIMPLE UNDERSTANDING, makes much more sense.
I think it would be easier for a new player to learn about each ATs by separating each AT. Other less used areas of the forum could be addressed. I support Zombie Man's suggestion.
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What a weird thing to say. You post in the PVP forums, arena channel, and RV broadcast all the time.|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
I think the PvP forums could be tossed in their entirety. There hasn't been a productive post in there for years; it has become a hotbed for flame-wars and anti-game sentiments due to neglect.
Suggestion: Remove the PvP forum and replace it with a forum dedicated to role-playing. Catering to role-players is a great way of building a healthy positive community. |
You're basically a self-harmer right?
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
Controllers, defenders, and dominators also have melee attacks in their APP/EPP. I know scrappers and tanks that gear towards ranged attacks.
These are largely exceptions. The vast majority of dominator & blasters attacks are ranged. They're largely a ranged ATs. Breaking them up in this way, FOR THE SAKE OF NEWBS SIMPLE UNDERSTANDING, makes much more sense. |
for the sake of "newbs" it would be easier to go... "I have a defender, let me look in the defender forum for my answer"...
Just wanted to add my voice here. I agree to keeping the AT forums AT specific and not merge them into a broader play-style listing which is evidently subjective. The few times I have used the AT forums for info I have searched for a specific archetype. To group them into a play-style listing is a reason for me to veto the forum.
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Just to nitpick: Dominators don't have melee in their APPs or PPPs; they get debuffs, self-buffs, toggle armours, PBAoEs and a pet. |
Originally Posted by Xanatos
Controllers, defenders, and dominators also have melee attacks in their APP/EPP. I know scrappers and tanks that gear towards ranged attacks.
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Xanatos lets stay on topic please. We are discussing the forums; not conducting online profiling. Back on topic; I happen to feel this change would be greatly appreciated by the role-playing community. role-playing shouldn't be relegated to one server, even Freedom has its role-players. A forum dedicated to Role-playing discussion would benefit the Role-playing community, a community I might add that is well over 2% of the gross population and only grows stronger with each issue. d;D
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Originally Posted by Xanatos
What a weird thing to say. You post in the PVP forums, arena channel, and RV broadcast all the time.
You're basically a self-harmer right? |
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Originally Posted by Snowzone
Just to nitpick: Dominators don't have melee in their APPs or PPPs; they get debuffs, self-buffs, toggle armours, PBAoEs and a pet.
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I'm sorry, but I think merging the archetypes forums is a bad idea.
There may be some crossover of powers and play styles between several archetypes, but they're hardly clones of each other. If I'm playing, say, a Blaster, and need advice, I really don't want to see discussions of Corrupter powers, and vice-versa.
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I pretty much agree with the sentiment of Zortel here, especially the "don't touch the Roleplaying" section. Also like Zortel I am concerned about the merger of the regional sub forums, I can live with them being merged together, but completely removing them in favour of the one big community approach would drown out those forum and the posts in the mass coming from the already very busy City Life - CoH & CoV General Discussions. It is frankly so busy and larger that merging would in effect eliminate the small regions ability to communicate effectively, for example about the player meets in that for anyone who doesn't read the forum daily or even several times a day any post would be long gone into pages 2 or 3 which means that only the very most dedicated people will ever see them.|
Originally Posted by Zortel
Re: AT forums - If you can't do the excellent Forum/Sub Forum idea as pictured above, leave them as is. If I want information on Tankers, I go to the Tanker section. A Brute is not a Tanker. A Corruptor is Ranged DPS and Support, not just Ranged DPS. So on, so forth.
If half of my power set is dedicated to buffing and debuffing, am I going to look in Ranged Damage, or Support? ----------------- Re: Other Forums News, Events & Announcements: I've always wondered why Announcements and News, Events and Announcement Discussions are seperate. If you look at an announcement post, you then have to go to a discussion post to comment on it. That seems a little odd to me to have if you're wishing to reduce faff. Supergroup and Villain Group recruitment: Always wondered why this isn't covered under Server forums. Player Events: I can see as being of use to interest people to move servers, so keep it where it is. ------------------ Development: I'd recommend splitting this up into two sections. 1: Development (Has Develeoper's Corner, Dev Digest, Community Digest) 2: Testing and Technical Support (Has Gameplay/Tech issues, Training Rooms, Chararacter Copy Tool. Possibly move Mac Users to this section from Player Help.) ------------------ Player Help: Add a section on the Paragon Market and Paragon Reward System. ------------------- For Fun: I never really understood why Screenshots and Fan Creations, and Multi-Media City of Heroes and Villains were separate. Wouldn't one heading of 'Creative Works' suit better, covering multi-media to costume designs and so on? Please don't hurt Roleplaying. In the EU Forums it took a long time for us to get a forum of our own. I'd miss it terribly if it went. I never quite got Forum Games. Maybe some people love it though, so they'd have to say. Regarding the EU forum subsection, I've never gotten much use out of it myself, so I won't speak on keeping/abolishing it. I'll note though that it's been used for organizing player meets. If it was removed, would the ban on cross-posting make trying to draw attention from say, the EU Server sections to Player Events prohibited? That'd be a worry for those trying to get promotion to an event taking place in real life. ----------------- Server forums: As is. ------------------ |
But for ease of use couldn't we just have the paragon reward system under player question and the paragon market integrated into the invention and market forum? or both into this. I don't honestly know how active the market sub forum is as I don't use it, but I could see this being expanded with this for at least the paragon market is all about in game items as well.
The character copy tool, couldn't it be moved in under the training room/beta forums rather then have it's own link to m anyway it takes up space (and rather far up the list) for something I assume most don't use on a daily or even a weekly basis.
Lastly one thing about the forum setup is that, while things are certainly categorized in well ordered sections, I do wish that the general discussion forums were near the top of the forums list rather then close to the bottom, those and the news are, at least to me, those that seems to have the most daily use for use on the board.
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Taking into account how new players view the archetype on the character creation screen, placing Corruptors, dominators, etc in a sub-folder under their "Type" isn't such a bad idea. I'm all for consolidation of the forums. I'm more concerned with how it will be implemented.
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Originally Posted by TargetOne
I'm sorry, but I think merging the archetypes forums is a bad idea.
There may be some crossover of powers and play styles between several archetypes, but they're hardly clones of each other. If I'm playing, say, a Blaster, and need advice, I really don't want to see discussions of Corrupter powers, and vice-versa. |
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Just because you don't find merit in a small community having a place to call home doesn't mean they don't deserve it. I could see your point, if you were calling in parity with the Badge and RP communities and asking for PvP to be condensed to a single forum--but asking for complete deletion of it is disrespectful to all the players (no matter how many of them there are) that post there. |
Originally Posted by Tokyo
I think the PvP forums could be tossed in their entirety. There hasn't been a productive post in there for years; it has become a hotbed for flame-wars and anti-game sentiments due to neglect.
Suggestion: Remove the PvP forum and replace it with a forum dedicated to role-playing. Catering to role-players is a great way of building a healthy positive community. |
You might as well ask to delete all the EU-specific forums.
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after the initial screen of character creation you never see the "type" classification again, you do however see AT types, all the time, in the game...
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
Taking into account how new players view the archetype on the character creation screen, placing Corruptors, dominators, etc in a sub-folder under their "Type" isn't such a bad idea. I'm all for consolidation of the forums. I'm more concerned with how it will be implemented.
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I'm sorry but guidelines for posting are seldom followed as it is now, which in combination with the poor search functionality already make its hard to find information in the archetype forums as they stand now. Mixing in another AT will only make things even worse, especially since I doubt you are going to have anybody retitle all the posts that already exist so that they match the guidelines. |
Originally Posted by Zwillinger
While I certainly appreciate your viewpoint:
What if we provided guidelines so that posts were easily identifiable within each forum? I don't particularly view it as pigeonholing, simply as...well...simplifying. There's a rather large amount of forums to sift through here on our boards, and to a new, or even veteran player who hasn't spent time on the forums, it's a bit confusing. Forums should be easy to understand at a glance. |
It may be simplification to you it will end up a confusing mess to those of us that are trying to find information that is already hard to find.
Great ideas, Z!
If this is up for a vote 
then you have at least one 'aye'.
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Something that has been bugging me since yesterday, why is the 'Suggestions' forum in the 'For Fun' section of the forums?
Are we just waisting our time with our suggestions, since they are just for fun?
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Going to agree with this. It would actually be more confusing and more intimidating for players to try and figure out what "role" each AT is, and then go sort through threads that are totally unrelated to the AT they're actually trying to look for, just to find information. Keep the ATs to each separate sub-forum.
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Originally Posted by Starcloud
Here's my suggestion:
DO NOT MERGE THE ARCHETYPE FORUMS. I'm sorry, but your pigeonholing archetypes and merging these forums together will just create an unreadable mess where we, as forum posters and readers, CANNOT find the information we're looking for. Seriously. "I'm playing a Dominator. I should look for the Dominator forum" is not a hard thing to grasp. |
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Anyway, new forum rules seem fair to me I guess. Politics and religion are two touchy subjects. About the only thing I disagree with is some of the new forum-merge ideas on ATs. Seeing as how I prefer Brutes far more over Tanks, and knowing just how different the two are, I think putting them together would just feel..weird and perhaps give new players a false understanding of the ATs. Not that it will bother me too much in the long run, I just never felt that the archetypes were that confusing??....(I mean, their names are 'Tanker, Brute, Controller, Defender', etc...) If you had too you could make the forums immediately available smaller in number by 'playstyle'(Melee, ranged, and buff/debuff maybe?, with specialty boards for epic ATs and MMs?), and then have smaller sub-forums for each class in those, giving a much cleaner look to the forums.
Just my two inf.
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Originally Posted by Snowzone
Just to nitpick: Dominators don't have melee in their APPs or PPPs; they get debuffs, self-buffs, toggle armours, PBAoEs and a pet.
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We already have a roleplaying forum. I know it's hard to find due to the cryptic title it has. ("Roleplaying".)|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
Xanatos lets stay on topic please. We are discussing the forums; not conducting online profiling. Back on topic; I happen to feel this change would be greatly appreciated by the role-playing community. role-playing shouldn't be relegated to one server, even Freedom has its role-players. A forum dedicated to Role-playing discussion would benefit the Role-playing community, a community I might add that is well over 2% of the gross population and only grows stronger with each issue. d;D
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Roleplaying and PVP aren't mutually exclusive. I am living proof of this.
You are obsessed with the PVP community even though you hate it.
Keep cuttin.
Parent Forum: Ranged
-Sub-Forum: Blaster (High Ranged Damage)
--Desc: Special Skill: Defiance
-Sub-Forum: Corruptor (Ranged Damage/Support)
--Desc: Special Skill: Scourge
-Sub-Forum: Defender (Support/Ranged Damage)
--Desc: Special Skill: Vigilance
-Sub-Forum: Dominator (Control/Ranged Damage)
--Desc: Special Skill: Domination