So how long before they spill the beans for the new dom stuff?

And was part of a paid expansion. Although not sure how many electric "control" sets that existed didnt make it. I know of ST hold, and immob powers that did make it in. I'm very likely missing others, will have to go diging about to see what else I dont remember.

For a new set with new art, THAT would be awesome. Specially if they manage to also use the same FX to make enough ranged and melee attacks to make a water assault set to go with it.

They'd have to do something new and interesting with it, since they already designed a water blast set once and it's in the game now.

Sure, but they admited that they couldn't get it right visually and punted to energy blast.

That's why I think the appearance of the new wet auras show they've been trying to get the visuals right for a long asked for power.

Except there are other sets like Ice Control or Electric Control where Domination does little. For example, Ice Slick, Arctic Air, Shiver, Static Field, Jolting Chain, Conductive Aura and Synaptic Overload (only affects the first target). The only thing that skews the number of powers that are affected by Domination are the arguably pointless Immobilisation powers (I say they're pointless because they are easy enough to perma without the need of Domination, they don't actually help with survival that much unless you're purely ranged, and they can get you killed very quickly if you're on a team because the best thing they do is steal aggro).

So I'd say there's no problem with Illusion Control and Domination. Maybe replace the Group Invisibility power because, unlike Spirit Tree, it does nothing for the user, but that's it.

You may as well say Illusion Control should be removed from Controllers because they don't benefit from Containment as much as other sets do.

This particular objection gets raised every time the subject of illusion control for doms comes up, and I really don't understand why people keep bringing it up. Yes, illusion has a bunch of pet based powers. So do other sets. Let's look at what powers in other sets benefit from domination in a *useful* way (i.e. immobs don't count since the ST one is already mag 4 and they last for ages already):

Earth: ST hold, AoE stun, crappy AoE sleep that nobody takes.
Electric: ST hold, AoE hold.
Fire: ST hold, AoE stun, AoE hold.
Grav: ST hold, AoE stun, AoE hold.
Ice: ST hold, AoE hold, crappy AoE sleep that nobody takes.
Plant: ST hold, AoE confuse, AoE hold, AoE sleep that nobody takes.
Mind: Everything except TK.

Hypothetical illusion: ST hold, ST confuse, AoE hold.

With the exception of mind control, every other control set has only a few powers that usefully benefit from domination *anyway*. And if electric control, which only has its ST and AoE holds benefitting, is fine as a dominator set, than illusion would be more than fine. I'll happily trade dom-boosting something like flashfire for the ability to *actually do something notable against those $)(*&$%&* PToD EBs.*.

Fixed.

First, I don't know why you ignored the AoE immobilizes... I can see the ST immobs, but the AoE immobilizes are certainly useful to immediately lock a spawn in place. Also, you forgot to note that the first target of Synaptic Overload does benefit from Domination.

While I agree with your assessment that Illusion would be fine as is, make no mistake that it will definitely benefit from Domination the least of all the control sets.

There are other things that I can think make it hard (not impossible) like the duration of the pets vz durations of holds. Doms mez is shorter lived than Controller's mez.

You can in theory make the pets summons last a shorter window than the controller equivalent (since these pets are indirect mez effects,) but then doms are supposed to do more damage so you have to also rebalance all the pets to do more damage than the controller equivalents too, and somehow balance that with the shorter duration.

Pet balancing is the hardest thing in this game, and the reason why there are so few mastermind sets.

BTW, Electric Control's Jolt also work by summoning pets and both versions summon different pets appropiately balanced for the specific AT.

Dont take me wrong, I would love to see such an effort placed, I'm just trying to clarify that Illussion control is not as easy to port as many think. There are a lot of design gotchas.

Just a side note here: Illussions is designed in a way that it does not need containment, the "bonus damage" is simply granted by pet damage instead. Containment was intentionaly designed to not help that set too much. Another thing that makes damage balancing of the port difficult.

The argument against and pro immobs has been so long lasting that I no longer bother commenting on it when people dismiss them. A lot of people hate them, a lot of people love them, and a lot of people miss use them big time.

I am growing used to many pretending they dont exist.

I don't play Dom's but don't they have melee secondaries?

Not entirely. It is an assault secondary that is generally a pretty unique mix in this game. They get a fair bit of melee selections and some nice damage scaling with them, but there are ranged powers, also.

As Chyll said, they are mixed. earth is really he most melee oriented, but all can be primarily melee or primarily ranged or a mix, depending on power pick.

Well, thorns will always be rangey.

I played my thorns like a Scrapper...only going out of Melee when I have to. That's why I am a big fan of thorns it's so versatile.

You might also replace Spectral Wounds, since Doms have a secondary for damage.

I proposed a similar power as the Tier9 for Dark Control a couple years back.

Lady-Jade's power suggestion thread. (Fixed the link to send you to the correct thread.)

I make no claims on how balanced such a power would be, that's ultimately not up to me as a player to decide.

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I pretty much want a set of every theme in every type.

Radiation Melee? Yes Please.
Radiation Armor? Ditto.
Radiation Control? Don't mind if I do.
Radiation Assault? But of course.
Sonic Melee? Yup yup.
Sonic Armor? Don't see why not.
Etc., etc.

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I'd say, going for low-hanging fruit and all, a variant of hell on earth might actually be viable. Shorter duration of the li'l guys but generate them all at once via the PBAoE. Swarm of a darklings that run around uncontrolled for 20 or 30 seconds with a a 4-8 minute recharge.

No way to perma, but up often enough that you save it for the important fights.

I'd prefer this to be something like Carrion Creepers rather than a persistent summon.

There's not really a difference except that carrion creepers has a longer duration than what I'm proposing. I specifically said "no way to perma"

Here i fixed that for you

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