Discussion: Divided We Fall
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Posted on: 2011-09-07 11:12 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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He just needs to ask any of the soldiers who Tyrant carefully made sure were there to witness what happened |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
But with a month of his memory gone he won't know what specifically went horribly awry without careful research, and he won't have the time given he's being sent right into combat.
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@Golden Girl
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Really? What tipped you off to that? It's so totally well hidden behind all those shade of gray |
Originally Posted by Protonic_Flux
Emperor Marcus Cole is a villain.
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@Golden Girl
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"Sir, he punched you in the face."|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
He just needs to ask any of the soldiers who Tyrant carefully made sure were there to witness what happened
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"Yes Sir, in the face."
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"Yes Sir, that crater in the back wall that you have to fill in, that's where you hit."
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"Yes Sir, he did pull the punch. We could still identify you with dental records"
Oh yeah, something else just popped into my mind when writing that Tyrant had pulled the punch.. There was a question or so about how Duray wasn't dusted by the impact.
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Colonel_...8Praetorian%29
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and there is also this tidbit: |
Colonel Duray: You can't win. The procedure benefited greatly from my men's sacrifices. Colonel Duray: Allow me to show you. Colonel Duray: Imagine it, an entire army of these super soldiers! |
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| Composed entirely of soldiers from the TRB, the 2n Battalion is arguably just a rename of Duray's former with one exceptional difference. Every soldier in the battalion has been genetically reengineered by Praetor Berry. |
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How will he know to ask them? If you just woke up with a one month gap in your memory and its pretty clear that only happens if the ruler of the world either let it happen or did it, would you start randomly asking whoever was nearby "hey, psst, did the Emperor punch me in the face or something within the last few weeks?"|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
He just needs to ask any of the soldiers who Tyrant carefully made sure were there to witness what happened
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You'd think he would be a little more discrete than that.
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I don't think he'd have to be that discrete - word of the what happened would probably be spread pretty fast through the IDF - unless Tyrant does this sort of thing all the time, and to the soldiers watching it was just the usual bi-monthly Duray punching that they'd seen dozens of times before |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
How will he know to ask them? If you just woke up with a one month gap in your memory and its pretty clear that only happens if the ruler of the world either let it happen or did it, would you start randomly asking whoever was nearby "hey, psst, did the Emperor punch me in the face or something within the last few weeks?"
You'd think he would be a little more discrete than that. |
@Golden Girl
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The seedlings have a built-in game mechanic that grant's temporary group fly to someone who defeats one or many (they stack). Destroy the ground-dwelling seedlings, then go after the sky-dwellers and the Seed itself.|
Originally Posted by Lady_Sadako
So is Colonel Duray the jetpack hander-outer, then? Non-flying characters are going to have to get up to that Seed somehow!
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On the other hand, in first ward at least, there are also merchants who sell the same power for a nominal charge.
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That was a good read. Pump out some more of that and I might even start to think that Praetoria is worth involving myself with.
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For a bit there he was very indiscrete, being a mere smear on the wall.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
You'd think he would be a little more discrete than that.
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(Sorry, couldn't resist the lame math/spelling joke - my fingers insist on typing "discrete" almost every time I really mean "discreet".)
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Everyone who has ever uttered "goatee universe" should probably eat those words.
Talk about a fantastic plot twist.
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Tyrant using the threat of the Devouring Earth to advance his plans? Yeah, that's a twist |
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Talk about a fantastic plot twist.
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@Golden Girl
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Methinks you're reading too far into that, GG. Maybe we try giving the credit for that to Duray first, since as far as we've been told, he's the one who did it.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Tyrant using the threat of the Devouring Earth to advance his plans? Yeah, that's a twist
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Sound good?
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Tyrant's plans work on several levels |
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Methinks you're reading too far into that, GG. Maybe we try giving the credit for that to Duray first, since as far as we've been told, he's the one who did it.
Sound good? |
@Golden Girl
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I just hope the mind wipe doesn't take away his memory of my rock...
Though lets be honest, if you got taken out by a simple rock, you'd probably request that memory be erased yourself.
plenty of clones for Cole to kill 
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
If you discovered that a serial killer was taking care of his elderly mother, would you say he wasn't "all bad" and just a good man with a character flaw?
Cole is the bad guy because, unless you are a fascist, he believes he has the right to control the world and remake it in his image, and that's traditionally considered bad. The fact that Cole is not an indiscriminate mass murderer does not make him automatically a hero. It makes him not a mass murderer. He still wants to take over the place, install a dictatorship, deploy thought police, and crush all opposition to his will. Cole believes we need to be saved from the Hamidon, so he'll try to save us from the Hamidon. Cole also believes we need to be saved from ourselves. Everyone willing to be saved from themselves, step forward and join the Praetorians. Everyone else will have irreconcilable differences with his majesty. Human beings are not all bad or all good, but we can judge people based on their overall actions and morality. Cole's morality is "I know what's best, and since I have the power to bend everyone to my will for the greater good I intend to use it." Whether that's "good" or "bad" depends on your point of view I suppose, but I know which side I'm on. |
The big issue I have with this type of perspective is the same issue that makes me lean towards agnosticism. "It's my way or the highway... Highway to Hell."
The Flood, Job, the set up in the Garden, Jonah, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc... all the same type of vibe to me and yet, he is still the Big Benevolence.
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These Hammidon things have one thing to fear above all else.....
The people who not only hate giant monsters...but whom also need a few more exps to level....that combination can kill anything.
I expect the hammidon seeds to last maybe 1 hour tops.
And if those people dont level in that time period.....>_>
I know they will....if they have to.....go to Preatoria...kill the preatorian version....use whatever dimension hopping equipment they can find and kill all the other versions....until they not only level but level a few times.....just to spite the fact the first encounters on primal earth didnt level them.
I mean seriously.....didnt anyone ever notice that the the enemy NPCs all start running away and hiding when they find out someone only needs a few more exp.
"look that Player only needs a few more EXP...RUN!!!!!!"
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Hey Duray, I'll give you three guesses as to who got his skull crushed yesterday for launching an unauthorized Hamidon incursion into Primal Earth.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I don't think he'd have to be that discrete - word of the what happened would probably be spread pretty fast through the IDF - unless Tyrant does this sort of thing all the time, and to the soldiers watching it was just the usual bi-monthly Duray punching that they'd seen dozens of times before
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But even if the whole bits of skull thing is common knowledge, that doesn't mean Duray can randomly talk to anyone about anything else he might have had in motion in the last month.
"Psst. So about that skull implosion thing. You say that was about the whole Hamidon thing, huh? I know I was thinking about it, but I guess I did it, huh? Did Emperor Cole mention anything else before he ventilated my face? Anything about a hidden lab or stolen primal earth technology or that Mark VI Warwalker I'm not supposed to be working on?"
"Seriously Duray, how big is the radius of Emperor Cole's thunderstrike? Stay at least that far away from me please."
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That they award empyrean merits. |
Originally Posted by PsychicKitty
These Hammidon things have one thing to fear above all else.....
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If Prometheus appeared in Talos and said:
"Behold. These creatures contain a small portion of power from the Well of the Furies. Defeating them will grant all who aid in their destruction an Empyrean Merit."
I'd bet the Hamidon seeds would flee Primal Earth so fast they'd leave skid marks.
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I'm sure his teeth are all completely discrete.
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Originally Posted by Kosmos
For a bit there he was very indiscrete, being a mere smear on the wall.
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You are right Golden girl.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Tyrant's plans work on several levels
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His plans do work at many levels.......and i wouldnt be surprised if storywise Emporer Cole hadnt made a deal with the Hammidon in the first place.
After all....when you play the Preatorian side....you find out that tons of heroes and the millitary together couldnt stop the Hammidon...but all of the sudden Cole by himself managed to beat it....and coincidentaly enough the special heroes directly under him are all villains and heroes with their own agendas that for some reason dont really trust cole but dont even bother him about it....
Its like a warped version of LOST or Falling Skies TV shows...secrets being kept for no particular reason with an obvious undertone...that will probably get re-written as soon as anyone mentions it.
By the way...since energy cant be destroyed...and since technicaly when you can control it at a certain level...like a certain hero and Preatorian can..... negative and positive become the same thing.....why is it...we never see Positron or Anti-Matter ever face off against each other?
Is it just me.....or does it seam like these two are the same person?
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Wow Merits and Exp.!! =O_O=|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
That they award empyrean merits.
If Prometheus appeared in Talos and said: "Behold. These creatures contain a small portion of power from the Well of the Furies. Defeating them will grant all who aid in their destruction an Empyrean Merit." I'd bet the Hamidon seeds would flee Primal Earth so fast they'd leave skid marks. |
I think these things are doomed to be extinct super fast.....it wont matter where they run either.....
Channels will be filled with:
Did you find its portal!!
I found one of them over here hiding behind this dumpster!!
Get IT!!!
LVL 50 LF Seed Team!!!
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There's info on the true situation between Tyrant and the Hamidon at the end of the new Underground Trial |
Originally Posted by PsychicKitty
You are right Golden girl.
His plans do work at many levels.......and i wouldnt be surprised if storywise Emporer Cole hadnt made a deal with the Hammidon in the first place. After all....when you play the Preatorian side....you find out that tons of heroes and the millitary together couldnt stop the Hammidon...but all of the sudden Cole by himself managed to beat it....and coincidentaly enough the special heroes directly under him are all villains and heroes with their own agendas that for some reason dont really trust cole but dont even bother him about it.... |
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By the way...since energy cant be destroyed...and since technicaly when you can control it at a certain level...like a certain hero and Preatorian can..... negative and positive become the same thing.....why is it...we never see Positron or Anti-Matter ever face off against each other? Is it just me.....or does it seam like these two are the same person? |
As far as I know, the only time any of the Primal signature chatacers have ever met their Praeotrian versions is on the old Maria Jenkins arc, when Statesman was being held prisoner by Tyrant in his lava lair.
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It seems pretty clear that Duray is responsible for letting the Praetorian Hamidon loose on Primal Earth, or rather, NOW is responsible for having done so.
One of the storyline motif's established in Going Rogue is that the Praetorian Faction leaders are not one-dimensional, mirror-dimension, polar-opposites of the Primal Earth Signature Heroes and Villains; but rather have deeper motivations coupled with genuine likable characteristics.
Emperor Cole is a legitimate Hero of the Hamidon Wars, and on some level, he really did care for those under him. However, that care has been twisted and warped to various extremes. One of those extremes is that Emperor Cole has no problems pacifying the population through the Enriche drink. Nor does Emperor Cole have no problems with whole-sale slaughter of other Superpowers. Emperor Cole does not have problem with abducting citizens under his protection, wiping their minds, cloning them, and them forcing them into his service.
Is he as evil and as psychotic as we were lead to believe in our first encounter? Oh Hell Yes.
Every single Praetorian Faction Leader is a VILLAIN.
Not all villains have to be chainsaw wielding maniacs.
Emperor Marcus Cole is a villain. The saying "The Road to hell is paved with good intentions" has never been more true then it has been for him.
Cole could EASILY come to us and ask us to help him, or join forces with him. But instead he sees our freedom as a weakness, which means that those of us who have superpowers must die, or submit, those who are the common folks, must be saved. Saved from us, saved from the evils of our world, and saved from themselves. And if they do not want that, well, Marcus has a powerful psionic who will be more then happy to change their minds.
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