Star Wars Editing Part Deux - "Nooo!"
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Posted on: 2011-08-31 16:03 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Though neither of the examples given is really the deal breaker for me, I do wish he'd work instead on the prequel trilogy. Edit a personality into Hayden's wooden performance. Editing in a heartfelt romance would be good as well.
Both the Emperor's yelling as he falls, and the beginning of the Krayt dragon call sound really fake and un-pro, I feel we are getting our legs pulled here.
If it did actually turn out to be true that these changes were actually made, infinite facepalms, cause it doesn't improve a thing, far from it.
But I don't believe it, even though Lucas has shown in the past that he does not "get it" enough for folks to believe he would do this, this feels fake according to a gut feeling and my ears.
And you expected this not to happen because....?
I kinda liked 'em, both.
"I am altering the special edition. Pray I don't alter it any further."
To be frank though, this is really to be expected by this point; but I hardly think it's something worth getting worked up over. Yes, Lucas (or actually, here's a thought, what if someone OTHER than George Lucas was responsible for these changes? There's a good chance that he probably hired some people to help him with this little franchise) is known for making changes that are frankly arbitrary and baffling. Whatever, that's his privilege. It's his creation, it's his call. But on the other hand, it's not something to get upset over. They changed two lines of dialogue, whoop de freakin' doo. Oh and apparently people are mad because they enlarged some rocks or something in a New Hope. How sacrilegious.
What I'm trying to say here is that while you don't have to like these changes (and for the record, I don't either) let's please not have this descend into another "let's go lynch Lucas" flamewar.
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
"I am altering the special edition. Pray I don't alter it any further."
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My other favorite altered Star Wars quote also came from Vader: "I find your lack of pants disturbing."
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I'm pretty sure the Emperor yelled as he fell in the original version. |
Originally Posted by Bounder
Both the Emperor's yelling as he falls, and the beginning of the Krayt dragon call sound really fake and un-pro, I feel we are getting our legs pulled here.
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As for the edits, I'm not overly shocked or upset by them, I've just come to expect it.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Squid
They changed two lines of dialogue, whoop de freakin' doo.
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"Rosebud" will now be "Drink Coke." Updates the scene, and brings in some advertising dollars.
"Luke, I am your father" will now be "Luke, I am the Dancing Queen."
"My God, it's full of stars" will be replaced with "AAAAAAHHHHHH!"
"You maniacs, you blew it up! Damn you all to hell!" will now be "I think I left my car here!"
Yeah. Dialog has no impact at all. Should be perfectly fine just changing it on the fly. Perfectly fine, should be done more often, every time a movie is re-released.
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Can we edit Anakin and Jar Jar out of the first one entirely?
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Originally Posted by Rodoan
Though neither of the examples given is really the deal breaker for me, I do wish he'd work instead on the prequel trilogy. Edit a personality into Hayden's wooden performance. Editing in a heartfelt romance would be good as well.
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1) The Emperor has always screamed like that when thrown down the shaft
2) Vader's 'No' in this edit wasn't terrible, but also wasn't needed. It would be a 'whatever' change, unlike the brutally fake looking Han dodge to justify shooting in self defense.
3) Both of these changes are fake
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
"I am altering the special edition. Pray I don't alter it any further."
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Yeah. Dialog has no impact at all. Should be perfectly fine just changing it on the fly. Perfectly fine, should be done more often, every time a movie is re-released.
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The sad thing about continually tweaking his past works is that sooner or later he's going to die and the question's going to be was his last "re-tweaking" really the final version of what he intended to last for eternity or would he have just redone it again assuming he lived a bit longer. Were I him I'd prefer to have absolute control over what I considered to be the definitive "finished" version rather than to let the world wonder if he wouldn't have just kept re-mixing it forever.
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you know usually I would be like right on and be all up with the philosophizing... but in the case of Star Wars...|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Lucas has sadly become the quintessential example of what happens when an artist forgets the meaning of the word "done".
The sad thing about continually tweaking his past works is that sooner or later he's going to die and the question's going to be was his last "re-tweaking" really the final version of what he intended to last for eternity or would he have just redone it again assuming he lived a bit longer. Were I him I'd prefer to have absolute control over what I considered to be the definitive "finished" version rather than to let the world wonder if he wouldn't have just kept re-mixing it forever. |
I laugh and point at all the idiots rebuying the same damn movie over and over again and being pissed that it was changed just a little fraction of a bit again and then having the nerve to complain that Lucas edits and edits and edits the damn thing and sells a new version every 6 months.
At some point it becomes less a commentary on artistry and more a commentary on just how ludicrously stupid humans actually are.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
"You maniacs, you blew it up! Damn you all to hell!" will now be "I think I left my car here!"
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... that line would be hilarious in one of those montage funny movies like 'scary movie 4' or some such nonsense though.
On topic, the dragon call doesn't bother me a bit, it still sound like something that might eat me. The 'Noo!' is absolutely ridiculous, just as stupid as it was in the prequel trilogy.
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Well clearly Lucas' deal has always been motivated by making that much more money. I actually understand why he'll never "finish" the movies because that'd be tantamount to killing his only real cash-cow. I've always figured his "explanations" that he just wanted his movies to match his artistic vision with the latest technology was roughly 98% BS.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
you know usually I would be like right on and be all up with the philosophizing... but in the case of Star Wars...
I laugh and point at all the idiots rebuying the same damn movie over and over again and being pissed that it was changed just a little fraction of a bit again and then having the nerve to complain that Lucas edits and edits and edits the damn thing and sells a new version every 6 months. At some point it becomes less a commentary on artistry and more a commentary on just how ludicrously stupid humans actually are. |
For the record I've bought hundreds of VHS tapes, DVDs and Blu-rays in my lifetime but I have never ONCE bought any version of the original Star Wars trilogy which is in and of itself kind of amazing considering I've loved those movies for decades now.
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The changes don't bother me but their implementation (as provided) seems amatuer-ish. I'm not really buying into this yet until it's confirmed after the release of the blu-rays (9/16 IIRC).
I'm a huge star wars fan but I've never understood the hate people spew in regards to the PT, Lucas and his changes. I understand the opinions people disliking certain movies/changes, but not the 'hate.'
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Lucas has sadly become the quintessential example of what happens when an artist forgets the meaning of the word "done".
The sad thing about continually tweaking his past works is that sooner or later he's going to die and the question's going to be was his last "re-tweaking" really the final version of what he intended to last for eternity or would he have just redone it again assuming he lived a bit longer. |
- Vader didn't cut off Luke's hand, he accidentally tripped forward during the fight and swung his hand into Vader's saber.
- Vader narrates all his emotions throughout the movies.
- The Luke/Leia kiss in ESB will be revealed as a nightmare sent by Vader to Luke to coax him towards the Dark Side, since lust is evil, incest is evil, and incestuous lust leads right to the Dark Side.
- Luke gets a digital eyepatch and goatee.
- Narration reveals that Vaders cries of No! were his reaction to George Lucas tweaking the films any further.
- All merchandise including action figures will be anatomically enhanced and re-released reflecting the then standard NC-17 rating.
- Per Lucas' LWAT any additional revenue generated from re-re-releases will be funneled in common denominations down the 'Skywalker Chute' into his sepulcher.
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I wouldn't say I "hate" it as much consider it a disappointingly pathetic effort to leech off a decades old artistic endeavor. In a weird sort of way I almost feel sorry for Lucas. But don't think I live on such a high moral ground that if I were in Lucas' shoes I wouldn't be trying to do the very same thing. He's obviously a very lucky b-astard and he's merely living it to the fullest. *shrugs*|
Originally Posted by Clouded
The changes don't bother me but their implementation (as provided) seems amatuer-ish. I'm not really buying into this yet until it's confirmed after the release of the blu-rays (9/16 IIRC).
I'm a huge star wars fan but I've never understood the hate people spew in regards to the PT, Lucas and his changes. I understand the opinions people disliking certain movies/changes, but not the 'hate.' |
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Originally Posted by Acemace
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God I hope it's just a gag, but it wouldn't surprise me if Lucas continues to violate the Star Wars franchise. I have this sneaking suspicion that this a plot by Lucas to re-release of the original unedited versions later down the road and charge triple for that version.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
While I enjoyed your predictions it's actually interesting to consider exactly how these movies will in fact "evolve" over time. You see Lucas is shooting himself in the foot over the issue of whether or not people should be able to change his movies after his death. Think of it this way: If Lucas himself is cool with the idea of his movies changing every 5 or 10 years then what would be so bad about someone else changing them after his death? Lucas himself has already proven that these movies are not fixed in stone anyway so why should anyone respect his wishes after his passing? |
Luke no longer rides a Shetland pony to his duel with Wyatt Earp.
Darth Vader's armor retoned to look slightly less pastel-pink.
Old B-1 made to look more human (toning down the 75th anniversary android edit.)
All dialog about Chewbacca digitally reworked to create his new name, Darleen, to handle lawsuits claiming we encourage the chewing of Bacca.
Princess Leia renamed to Gwendolyn.
3d-projector now in scenes with "force ghosts." That never made sense to the audience, obviously, so we're glad to fix this finally!
Stormtrooper armor digitally recolored red to show they're the bad guys.
Grandma Tarkin digitally altered to remove confusion over gender. (TODO: Check old script, if we can find this. Still not sure why they called her grandma and hired some guy. May have been some sound degradation in the 65th anniversary release.)
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Cool, glad you don't hate them. Guess my post wasn't directed at you. *shrugs*
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Originally Posted by Lothic
I wouldn't say I "hate" it as much consider it a disappointingly pathetic effort to leech off a decades old artistic endeavor. In a weird sort of way I almost feel sorry for Lucas. But don't think I live on such a high moral ground that if I were in Lucas' shoes I wouldn't be trying to do the very same thing. He's obviously a very lucky b-astard and he's merely living it to the fullest. *shrugs*
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Well like I said I don't hate the new versions but I've also never PAID for them either so I consider it a reasonable compromise. |
Originally Posted by Clouded
Cool, glad you don't hate them. Guess my post wasn't directed at you. *shrugs*
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While it's true that GL stands to make a pile o' cash off the latest re-release of the Star Wars movies, I wouldn't really consider the movies themelves his cash cow. I think ILM and his other technical endevours are what are truely making/kepping him rich these days.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
Well clearly Lucas' deal has always been motivated by making that much more money. I actually understand why he'll never "finish" the movies because that'd be tantamount to killing his only real cash-cow.
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Yes, the SW franchise is a license to print money, but I think he needs to move on to new things rather than continually rehashing the old. Enough with the Blu-Ray dvds and the 3D movie re-releases. Get off your butt, George, and give us the live action SW TV show you've been talking about for the last six years!
For the record, despite being a huge SW fan, I have no plans to buy these new videos, not will I probably see the PT films in 3-D when they come out.
As for why people are mad at/hate GL for tweaking the OT movies - it's because he's messing with their childhood. Han shooting first was one of the most bad-*** things my 10 y.o. eyes had ever seen, so 20 years later when he decided Greedo shot first, he peed on that memory of mine. Though honestly, these latest changes... *shrug* I have my theatrical versions of the OT on dvd, so if he really does want to make Vader pink next year, I won't care.
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Via aintitcool.com, it's of little surprise by now given the Lucas re-edit of the Han/Greedo scene, but the latest "new edit" added to the Blu-Ray version of ROTJ proves once again that the man has too much free time on his hands to deface his original scifi masterpiece.
As Nordling from the above link says just play the clip, and then come back.. disregard if it's a repost.
"Noooooooooooooooooooooo"!
And Obi-Wan's Krayt Dragon call re-edit:
If it’s really true it's almost too funny that Lucas could be out of touch to a point that he didn't realize that the Vader crying ‘Noooo!’ scene was one of the most widely derided parts of RotS.