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Originally Posted by Serpine View Post
Here is my complete version of Ghost Falcon, which is based on Dragorian's.


At first I disliked the helmet TBH, but I think I can get behind it seeing it outside of the CC.
Nice work Serpine!


 

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Similar to the ones posted previous, but I went with a multilayered armor look by varying the colors between the base layers and the costumes pieces on top!



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Re Ghost Falcon: I like the design... but, ummm, he looks a bit... portly.
Re Valkyrie: Dunno if that screams Valkyrie to me, Tsumiju... but it IS a very nice looking costume. I especially like the way the VG shield looks when it is "at rest."



 

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I believe something in the description for Penny Preston mentioned that she was a teenager (anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), so I added a bit of height to this one intentionally. I wanted to try and mimic a graphic tee with the chest emblems, but the size an placement for the shirts option was different so that didn't really work out D:




 

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Jonathan St. John Smythe
I liked that JSJS looks a bit older, so I kept a wrinkled look for him. I could not see him in either the newer mad scientist lab coats or the older lab coat (which is so disheveled I regular use it as a scavenged overcoat rather then anything professional) so he ended up with a white blazer.

As a random side note if the Galaxy contacts move and start sharing offices with the Atlas gang, I'd expect Jonathan to be using the coffee drinking emote or reading a book so he and Rebecca don't end up playing "dueling clipboards".



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Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven View Post
Re Ghost Falcon: I like the design... but, ummm, he looks a bit... portly.
He is just big-boned.
Amazingly that is the smallest waist setting. What happened is the armored top was causing an odd distortion in the belt sides without the build being scaled pretty beefy, leading to the size you see. I separately tried dropping the armored top entirely and just going for tight, which looks cool and very classicly heroic, but I started realizing that I really liked him with the bulk: He looks less sculpted then a lot of the signature characters and especially with the solid helmet he makes me think of a football player turned hero.


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Serpine's Ghost Falcon: I really do like the design, but not the choice of sliders and I believe base model. Ghost Falcon is supposed to be a normal-looking guy in power armour, and the one in the pic is just... Fat, honestly. I'd say drop him down to the Male model and don't make him too muscular. Instead, rely on the bulk of the Armoured torso and legs to provide weight.

I'm also not sure if Ghost Falcon really needs a redesign. He looks pretty good to me, goofy Golden Age cowl aside.

Serpine's Jonathan St. John-Smythe: That's a pretty good design right there, just, ah... Try to make him look a little less evil I know the old man faces are kind of all evil-ish, but you picked the most menacing-looking of the lot and made it even more threatening with the sliders. Give him a rounder head and a gentler chin so he looks less like an anime villain

[b]TsumijuZero's Valkyrie:[b] I love this design. Sure, it doesn't scream "valkyrie," but then neither does Mynx scream a minx to me, nor Bastion either a citadel or bastion. Nor, for that manner, does the Statesman look like a statesman. At first the design looked a bit hodgepodge with the mismatched pieces, but I found reason to the distribution. About the only thing I'd swap out is the gloves and possibly boots. Either go with Justice gloves or outright swap to Alpha boots and gloves. These look pretty when used as tech.

Terra Green's Penny Peterson: That's a pretty solid attempt, but "teenager" can be something from 13 and up, and 13 is still a little kid. I'd still like to see her drawn up as a child, so I don't agree with the extra height. Or the breasts, but there really isn't anything you can do about it in the costume editor. One assumes the art team should be able to, though. Beyond that, the costume is solid - simple pants and shirt design, just like it should be. I'm not sure if we don't want to get rid of the pigtails, though. They're a bit caricature, and have been even on the old model. Yes, a little girl with pigtails is classic, but... Not THESE pigtails


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Originally Posted by Hercules View Post
I wouldnt make any huge changes to Serafina's costume, just needs to be more hi-res. Perhaps something like this:


That's not higher-res at all. Those pieces are exactly-the-same-res.


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Here's the Frostfire makeover I made. Not for this thread, but I had it lying around from before.



I didn't make a costume file, but here's his entry in the demo file.

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Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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Originally Posted by Vanden View Post
Here's the Frostfire makeover I made. Not for this thread, but I had it lying around from before.

I loved this back in the day I saw it and I still love it now


 

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Vanden: AWESOME look there for ole Frosty! He really looks like a dude who could have been a hero... once.

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
TsumijuZero's Valkyrie: I love this design. Sure, it doesn't scream "valkyrie," but then neither does Mynx scream a minx to me, nor Bastion either a citadel or bastion. Nor, for that manner, does the Statesman look like a statesman. At first the design looked a bit hodgepodge with the mismatched pieces, but I found reason to the distribution. About the only thing I'd swap out is the gloves and possibly boots. Either go with Justice gloves or outright swap to Alpha boots and gloves. These look pretty when used as tech.
I think you completely missed what I had intended by that comment. I guess what I meant by it doesn't "scream Valkyrie" was that something about it doesn't resonate with the character as strongly as some of the other re-designs for her I have seen done do. It looks... like some other character to me. I am not sure how to define that any better. Of course, saying that takes nothing away from the actual look of Tsumiju's design, which I like a lot. It just doesn't quite... look like Valkyrie.

Also, given the choice, I would give her the Justice gloves to match the boots.



 

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
Serpine's Ghost Falcon: ... I'd say drop him down to the Male model and don't make him too muscular. Instead, rely on the bulk of the Armoured torso and legs to provide weight.
That is the Male model (not the Huge) at about 75% Physique, very low chest, and no waist. My theory is that the in game GF is at about 25% Physique with a near maximum Chest. I may drop down a picture of the lighter build I had tried but I'd have to reconstruct it first; I didn't bother saving it at the time because I frankly liked him better "fat".

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I'm also not sure if Ghost Falcon really needs a redesign.
Perhaps, but at this point I'd say we are really just playing "What-If?" in this thread and hoping the devs will see some suggestions they like that flow into actual NPC builds, or at least get the impressions such revisions would be appreciated. It would be to much to hope they actually take in some of these designs directly or semi-directly, but in that case I'd imagine they would establish a more formal process of submission with specifically designated target NPCs.

That being said, any suggestions on some better targets (I'm kind of running low on the Atlas/Galaxy Basement crowd)?

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Serpine's Jonathan St. John-Smythe: ... I know the old man faces are kind of all evil-ish, but you picked the most menacing-looking of the lot and made it even more threatening with the sliders.
Yeah I have a lot of issues with those three faces. I think Older Face 2 looks the scariest, more like a stretched flesh mask rather then a real face. Older Face 1 has very deep lines so it comes off as really old. And Older Face 3 heavily shades the cheek bones and chin tip so its harder to get a soft shape. If you could give me some slider recommendations I'd happily try them out, or do you think just going with Older Face 1 would be better?


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Originally Posted by Serpine View Post
That is the Male model (not the Huge) at about 75% Physique, very low chest, and no waist. My theory is that the in game GF is at about 25% Physique with a near maximum Chest. I may drop down a picture of the lighter build I had tried but I'd have to reconstruct it first; I didn't bother saving it at the time because I frankly liked him better "fat".
Here's the thing - I generally don't like to see armoured designs with a heavy build. It makes characters look fat because it balloons their chests, waists, butts, thighs and biceps, but it leaves their hands and feet pretty small, so they look like Yahtzee's imps. This is made even worse when you put on the Armoured top and bottom on them, since those bulk them up even more, as you found out

I'd honestly go with a much smaller frame - mid-slider if not less, and instead go with larger armoured pieces. The Armoured chest and legs along with Big or Banded gloves and boots tend to look best on low-to-mid sized muscle sliders. If you want to make him bigger, though, you can always go with a skinny Huge model. The heads on these are... Square, no matter what you do, but the Huge model comes with big shoulders an large feet, which may serve to give the armoured look a heavier feel without making it feel fat.

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Originally Posted by Serpine View Post
That being said, any suggestions on some better targets (I'm kind of running low on the Atlas/Galaxy Basement crowd)?
I think Kong Bao, the Skyway City Tsoo contact, could use a makeover. He's supposed to be Asian and from the Humong community, but he's basically just a fat guy with a pony tail, if I remember correctly. I haven't the foggiest what you could do with him, but he deserves a makeover. Also, you may want to look at Rachel Torres, the 5-9 Galaxy City Natural contact. She's supposed to be a young detective, but she looks like just a woman in a sweater and jeans with a pony tail. I remember finding her to be pretty cool when I first started, which is why she's stuck in my head.

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Originally Posted by Serpine View Post
Yeah I have a lot of issues with those three faces. I think Older Face 2 looks the scariest, more like a stretched flesh mask rather then a real face. Older Face 1 has very deep lines so it comes off as really old. And Older Face 3 heavily shades the cheek bones and chin tip so its harder to get a soft shape. If you could give me some slider recommendations I'd happily try them out, or do you think just going with Older Face 1 would be better?
*edit*
OK, I found an "old guy" I made to serve as a an evil butler to one of my signature villains (and then swapped him to another...), who I think has a decent old man face that doesn't come off as too evil, even if it's a bit... Unsettling. That's the one:



I used Old Face 3 on him, but I sort of hid the most unsightly parts behind glasses and a moustache, which I think just add to his characters, rather than looking like bandaids. The sliders are difficult to explain over text, so here's a costume file if you're interested:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
Humong
BTW, it's Hmong.



 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra Green View Post
I believe something in the description for Penny Preston mentioned that she was a teenager (anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), so I added a bit of height to this one intentionally. I wanted to try and mimic a graphic tee with the chest emblems, but the size an placement for the shirts option was different so that didn't really work out D:



NO! KEEP PENNY AS IS!

Don't you dare take her away.


 

Posted

She might be a very low-res model... but I like her as is too.



 

Posted

Loving Serpine's updated looks though.


 

Posted

I agree that despite being low res Penny Preston should be untouched simply because the older version looks younger.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanden View Post
Here's the Frostfire makeover I made. Not for this thread, but I had it lying around from before.

I dislike it but the reasoning mirrors what someone else (Techbot?) said when you showed it off the last time: The face looks too much like a male model/movie star than a gang leader. Though I guess the comment on the fact that he looks like he could have been a former superhero can apply.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpine View Post
That being said, any suggestions on some better targets (I'm kind of running low on the Atlas/Galaxy Basement crowd)?
I've been aiming at contacts that are specifically using low resolution models. Thus the fact that I did one for Sara Moore yet I didn't do one for Sarafina though I did think about it. Since we don't know who they will or won't pick, almost everything is fair game. Also, some of these need revamps not just because of resolution but rather because it better fits their backstory.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zamuel View Post
I dislike it but the reasoning mirrors what someone else (Techbot?) said when you showed it off the last time: The face looks too much like a male model/movie star than a gang leader. Though I guess the comment on the fact that he looks like he could have been a former superhero can apply.
Actually, the first thing I thought when I saw this was "Why is Dr. Steven 'Science' Sheridan posing as FrostFire?" The general outfit is aces, but I agree - it needs a different face and hair. Those don't look bad, just out of place on a gang leader.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven View Post
BTW, it's Hmong.
Must...not...quote..Gran Torino


Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven View Post
BTW, it's Hmong.
In my defence, the last time I spoke with Kong Bao was some time in 2005, and I've never come across the word outside of context. I understand this probably makes me ethnically insensitive, but I simply did not know.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpine View Post
Here is my complete version of Ghost Falcon, which is based on Dragorian's.


<3 This!


@Kyuu

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Serpine View Post
He is just big-boned.
Amazingly that is the smallest waist setting. What happened is the armored top was causing an odd distortion in the belt sides without the build being scaled pretty beefy, leading to the size you see. I separately tried dropping the armored top entirely and just going for tight, which looks cool and very classicly heroic, but I started realizing that I really liked him with the bulk: He looks less sculpted then a lot of the signature characters and especially with the solid helmet he makes me think of a football player turned hero.
I generally find that if the waist sticks out over the belt, the solution is actually to increase the waist slider, not decrease it.

Edit: Nevermind, it appears that Armoured torsos expand a bit differently.


 

Posted

With this the Terra Volta Reactor Trial being WST this week, figured why not update the look of Jane Hallaway.





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Quote:
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
In my defence, the last time I spoke with Kong Bao was some time in 2005, and I've never come across the word outside of context. I understand this probably makes me ethnically insensitive, but I simply did not know.
I only know because there was a HUGE Hmong community near my home town in Wisconsin.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha View Post
Must...not...quote..Gran Torino
*looks up Gran Torino*
Hmmm, I vaguely recall this movie existing. No idea what line you'd be talking about though since I never saw it.