i20.5: Astral/Empyreal cost to unlock everything
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Posted on: 2011-06-25 12:53 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
My understanding was that originally, each piece of Incarnate armor cost a lawl-tastic TWENTY-FIVE Empyreal merits. Be serious, development people; there's ridiculous and then there's fall-out-of-your-chair-laughing ridiculous...
I am grateful for the reduction, but would rather spend actual cash. And am glad that I only truly haaaaaaaaaaave to have 4 of the 6 Incarnate armor pieces. Am hoping that I can use multiple level 50s to unlock individual pieces of the armor for everyone to enjoy.
I will spend Empyrean merits to unlock emotes on a cold day in hell.
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Yeah, since they are building a new Paragon market, it would be nice if they add a shopping cart to the system. It be nice to purchase more than 1 thing per day.
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It's kinda like buying character slots or server transfers on the character select screen now. For instance, they said that the costume pieces could actually be bought straight from the trailer.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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My gut says that everything in the Astral and Empyreal stores--excepting the Ascension Armor sets--will be purchaseable with Paragon Points sometime after CoH Freedom launches. You'll probably only be able to buy the Ascension Armor from the Ast/Emp stores, unless they decide to do something like the Vanguard pack as a loyalty subscription bonus in the future.|
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
I am grateful for the reduction, but would rather spend actual cash.
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Best of both worlds: the people who "want it nao!" can pay a few bucks for the parts, and the people who think microtransactions are the devil and just paying for the devs' Porsche upgrades* can earn them via in-game means.
I sincerely doubt many of the devs for this or any MMO actually owns a Porsche.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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I would say that the chances for this would be "slim" and "none" with slim leaving not only the town, but the planet.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
You'll probably only be able to buy the Ascension Armor from the Ast/Emp stores, unless they decide to do something like the Vanguard pack as a loyalty subscription bonus in the future.
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Like I said there are people trying to argue that these costs are too high. If you want to quibble about it simply replace my phrase "end game content" with "something new to play for and earn". *shrugs*|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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I generally agree with the idea that many things in this game should be "ungated" and available to everyone automatically. But by the same token I have absolutely NO problem whatsoever with the idea (that has been ever-present in this game for over 7 years now) of SOME content being gated. Even specific emotes for example.
If there wasn't anything out there to be earned like this then this game would suffer from a overwhelming sense of "what's the point of continuing to play" syndrome. I happen to like that there things I have to unlock because it gives me a sense of accomplishment beyond leveling, badging and so on. The fact that these things are relatively trivial to unlock provides an adequate compromise for those who either like or dislike unlockables.
There are some things worth complaining about as far as gated content goes. The stuff we are talking about here isn't really among those things. Anything that only takes a few weeks to earn is effectively by its very definition "perfectly OK and reasonable" for the scope of any MMO.
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Its all still stuff that has nothing to do with incarnates, locked behind doing the same 2-3 bits of content over and over and can't even be properly globally unlocked (so you can use them when making new characters).
So, still has no interest for me.
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The reasoning for throwing this stuff in is very simple:
"Okay, so we have these rewards for building powers that you get by running the trials, but what about people who aren't interested in that? Or already have their powers?"
"We have these auras and emotes we've been doing on our spare time, why not throw them in?"
"Sure, let's do that. And while you're at it make a few emblems and emotes too."
So now people who like running trials can get something other than powers for doing so. Score.
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I'd like to know how forcing people who are otherwise uninterested in Trials to run them ad nauseum [like we have not ALREADY run them ad nauseum] is going to engender within those persons a burning hunger to do nothing but... run more trials! MOAR TRIALS!
I am also confused as to the idea of every alt who is a level 50 should be doing nothing but grinding trials -which is what gating this stuff behind Trial-only content says to me, in a broad sense. What? We have two trials, about to be three. A new Trial is not exactly popping up every week. Or even every month. Two Trials? Wow.
And yeah, I know more Trials will follow but that's a long time in the future. Till we get that content all of our level 50s are expected to grind those two Trials NOW. I have seen those cutscenes enough! Its like Sisyphus + hill....
This stuff, especially emotes for God's sake, is still ridiculously overpriced. At the very least we need to be able to earn these merits IN OTHER PLACES besides these same two Trials, which most of us have run to the point of *headdesk* as it is - and now we are looking at weeks of more of the same. That defines "fun" to me, don't know about everyone else.
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
I'd like to know how forcing people who are otherwise uninterested in Trials to run them ad nauseum [like we have not ALREADY run them ad nauseum] is going to engender within those persons a burning hunger to do nothing but... run more trials! MOAR TRIALS!
I am also confused as to the idea of every alt who is a level 50 should be doing nothing but grinding trials -which is what gating this stuff behind Trial-only content says to me, in a broad sense. What? We have two trials, about to be three. A new Trial is not exactly popping up every week. Or even every month. Two Trials? Wow. And yeah, I know more Trials will follow but that's a long time in the future. Till we get that content all of our level 50s are expected to grind those two Trials NOW. I have seen those cutscenes enough! Its like Sisyphus + hill.... This stuff, especially emotes for God's sake, is still ridiculously overpriced. At the very least we need to be able to earn these merits IN OTHER PLACES besides these same two Trials, which most of us have run to the point of *headdesk* as it is - and now we are looking at weeks of more of the same. That defines "fun" to me, don't know about everyone else. |
I was gonna suggest some sort of "Incarnate-Level" radio missions.
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Will we be able to transfer Empyreals and Astrals between characters under the same master account? Because I have about 20 level 50s and I've been spreading my runs around all of them. I also tend to knock out a ton of runs in one day, and don't you only get 1 Emp per incarnate Trial per day (2)? Most of my alts that unlocked stuff have 2 Emps each. My main that I pushed and did a lot of stuff has maybe 12 Emps on her, if that, because I was unemployed for a while so I stacked in 5-20 runs a day for a week or so.
Basically, I don't have much to show for what I've done so far, due to spreading my focus around on my alts, but pressure-running them all in one sitting when I did. Kinda frustrating, even from the perspective of knocking out 1/7 of a set on one alt and 1/7 of the same set on another alt, etc.
Oh well. I'm lucky in that I consider all the costume sets too gaudy for my tastes, and at least half the other stuff too.
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Originally Posted by UnicyclePeon
Will we be able to transfer Empyreals and Astrals between characters under the same master account? Because I have about 20 level 50s and I've been spreading my runs around all of them.
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Ascension for 10 Astral Merits x 7 items. 70 Astral Merits total or 10 Astral Merits from 7 characters.
Radiance for 6 Empyrean Merits x 6 items. 36 Empyrean Merits total or 6 Empyrean Merits from 6 characters.
Emotes for 10 Astral Merits x 4 items. 40 Astral Merits total or 10 Astral Merits from 4 characters.
Emblems 1 Astral Merits x 15 items. 15 Astral Merits total or 1 Astral Merit from 15 characters.
Costume Change Emotes for 3 Empyrean Merits x 5 items. 15 Empyrean Merits total or 3 Empyrean Merits from 5 characters.
Auras for 10 Astral Merits x 8 items. 80 Astral Merits total or 10 Astral Merits from 8 characters.
Path Auras for 3 Empyrean Merits x 6 items. Empyrean Merits total or 3 Empyrean Merits from 6 characters.
All these items are GLOBAL unlocks, so it doesn't matter if you use one or 50 characters to unlock them.
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As much as this costume altaholic would love to add the ascension pieces to my collection the cost is just too prohibitive. I wouldn't have given a second thought to laying down real money for the pieces but asking me to choose between purely cosmetic items and actually making my harem of alts more useful to my team/league/SG is asking too much.
Sorry, art team - would have loved to wear your cool new stuff but they've been priced off the market 
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
You don't have to use just one character to buy everything.
Ascension for 10 Astral Merits x 7 items. 70 Astral Merits total or 10 Astral Merits from 7 characters. Radiance for 6 Empyrean Merits x 6 items. 36 Empyrean Merits total or 6 Empyrean Merits from 6 characters. Emotes for 10 Astral Merits x 4 items. 40 Astral Merits total or 10 Astral Merits from 4 characters. Emblems 1 Astral Merits x 15 items. 15 Astral Merits total or 1 Astral Merit from 15 characters. Costume Change Emotes for 3 Empyrean Merits x 5 items. 15 Empyrean Merits total or 3 Empyrean Merits from 5 characters. Auras for 10 Astral Merits x 8 items. 80 Astral Merits total or 10 Astral Merits from 8 characters. Path Auras for 3 Empyrean Merits x 6 items. Empyrean Merits total or 3 Empyrean Merits from 6 characters. All these items are GLOBAL unlocks, so it doesn't matter if you use one or 50 characters to unlock them. |
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I have enough on my main to get all of it and with plenty astrals and e merits to spare |
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
You don't have to use just one character to buy everything.
Ascension for 10 Astral Merits x 7 items. 70 Astral Merits total or 10 Astral Merits from 7 characters. Radiance for 6 Empyrean Merits x 6 items. 36 Empyrean Merits total or 6 Empyrean Merits from 6 characters. Emotes for 10 Astral Merits x 4 items. 40 Astral Merits total or 10 Astral Merits from 4 characters. Emblems 1 Astral Merits x 15 items. 15 Astral Merits total or 1 Astral Merit from 15 characters. Costume Change Emotes for 3 Empyrean Merits x 5 items. 15 Empyrean Merits total or 3 Empyrean Merits from 5 characters. Auras for 10 Astral Merits x 8 items. 80 Astral Merits total or 10 Astral Merits from 8 characters. Path Auras for 3 Empyrean Merits x 6 items. Empyrean Merits total or 3 Empyrean Merits from 6 characters. All these items are GLOBAL unlocks, so it doesn't matter if you use one or 50 characters to unlock them. |
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This is ultimately my biggest problem with the whole incarnate system. I can see prices like this in a game like WoW. If you want to run "end-game content" you have easily a dozen options. Here, you have three (as of the end of the week). Is there more in the works? Maybe, but that's awfully cold comfort seeing as we've got two options to progress right now. |
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
I am also confused as to the idea of every alt who is a level 50 should be doing nothing but grinding trials -which is what gating this stuff behind Trial-only content says to me, in a broad sense. What? We have two trials, about to be three. A new Trial is not exactly popping up every week. Or even every month. Two Trials? Wow.
And yeah, I know more Trials will follow but that's a long time in the future. Till we get that content all of our level 50s are expected to grind those two Trials NOW. I have seen those cutscenes enough! Its like Sisyphus + hill.... |
I don't dislike the trials. I've just run them more in a few months than I have any of the other TFs in the 7 years I've been playing. At this point I'd just as soon quit my subscription than run another Lambda or BAF.The only reason I'm still playing right now is that I enjoy the 25-35 range enough to keep playing alts through it, but even then it's that much harder now getting TFs together that are not WTFs or Incarnate trials. You can do it, sure, but there's much less interest.
As far as I'm concerned, the Incarnate system should have been a full paid expansion like/in place of GR. Then they could have put the effort in to releasing the thing in complete instead of trickling the trials out one at a time , and not really satisfying anyone.
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Is there more in the works?
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The full list of what you can buy is in a sortable table here:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Incarnate_Merit_Vendors
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*sarcasm* Yeah, that's just adorable, Smiley-Girl. We should all just shut up and keep grinding the same two [about to be three] - THE SAME TWO FREAKING TRIALS! - for the next six months, because there's "lots" more in the future! At some unforeseen point in the future we will have the same amount of endgame content that that W-named game does, so WOOHOOOOO!!! Let the celebration begin! |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Yes - lots
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You can celebrate because that's what you do no matter what this game does: however I will keep on agitating for Incarnate stuff to drop outside of these Trials. This should have been done a while back. Go ahead and throw a party for content that may be literally YEARS away; those of us easily bored by the same two trials day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day, ***AFTER DAY!*** want other options, and are not appeased by the thought of stuff that might happen next year or whenever. So solly, Cholly.
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Good for you. I only get to play 1 or 2 nights a week now, and half the time I'm on too late to catch the trial crowd.
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Originally Posted by Beef_Cake
I have enough on my main to get all of it and with plenty astrals and e merits to spare
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Well, there WILL be a 4th (if not more) in Issue 21, which will be out in September or October... so it'll only be grinding those three trials for the next 2-4 months. >_>|
Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
We should all just shut up and keep grinding the same two [about to be three] - THE SAME TWO FREAKING TRIALS! - for the next six months, because there's "lots" more in the future!
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(And yes, I realize this will just mean grinding FOUR trials instead of the current three...)
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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very nice table ZM, i expect to make full use of it lol
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
The full list of what you can buy is in a sortable table here:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Incarnate_Merit_Vendors |
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Originally Posted by Bad_Influence
I'd like to know how forcing people who are otherwise uninterested in Trials to run them ad nauseum
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