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Holy crap, I'm making a Staff/Energy Aura Brute based off the Monkey King. Gonna be sooo raaaad... *_*

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Think how much things would cost if they rewarded points like that though.

My guess (and it's only a guess at this point) judging from other micro-trans F2Ps with a "higher level for sub" games is that the two currencies (as outlined in the quoted post) will be used for markedly different things with some possible overlap on some items.

RPTs will act the way Vet Badges currently do. They'll be used to buy Vet Reward items and ONLY Vet Reward items. The set up will be somehtign lie a list of Vet Reward Items that is added to occasionally. For instance, they will have a list of the Existing Base Item Rewards (Base Item Pack 1, Base Item Pack 2 and so on), Costume Change Tokens, Respecs (Respec 1, Respec 2 and so on), Powers, costumes and such along with some "New Shineys" right off the bat and a relatively regular stream of "Newer Shineys".

Paragon Points will be "split" into two groupings (informally, I doubt it will be as obvious in the UI). One group will be "stuff ViPs get for free" and the other will be "Stuff no one gets for free." The first group will alow freebie players to get some ViP stuff a la carte by buying Paragon points in microtransactions. The second group will be things that were in booster packs (including the current boosters). New things iwll be added to both groups regularly, likely on at least a monthly basis with a few irregualy gaps from time to time because of the whims of development problems. There will likely be (eventualy) a third group where you can buy Vet Items (or RPTs) using paragon points for the impatient folks.

However, to keep the income up, there will be regular months where the ViPs also have to spend money on Points to get the stuff from that month. So rather than the release for August being a group of items that, added together, cost 400 points, they have a group of items that cost 600 or 800 or 1,200 (the cost will likely align to 10 or 15 bucks in points) but is larger than the group released in the preceeding month, containg special "super neat" items like booster packs did. The next month we're down to 400 points again for a while.

Now, they make take a less "friendly" approach with both systems, but I hope they don't. Releasing items with a cost much higher than your "free" points award every month, so you're having to consistently use "purchased points" of both types to "get all the stuff." That would effective make the old style "sub + occasional booster pack" player into a "sub + monthy purchase of Paragon Points/Reward Tokens" player to get the same "stuff" he did the former way at a likely higher outlay.

No, not really. 400 points would be perfect IMO also. Basically means its free as usual for VIP members.

Nobody knows. I was being flippant but I'm a bit saddened that folks are so willing to get screwed over.

Under the assumption it works like other F2Ps with Subscription "Elite Level" set-ups, it is likely that many (if not all) powersets and "really cool stuff" from here on out will be a Points buy.

It's likely (but not a sure thing) that our Points will have similar uses to and similar "free with the update" stuff as other F2P + Sub games. That means some special mission content, super boosters, super booster bits and pieces, rare zone access, powersets, respecs, renames, transfers, perm boosts (for instance, +10% to your tohit on the selected character forever), temp boosts (for example, +15% damage on the selecte character for 500 hours of play time), temp powers (jet packs, jump boots, melee gauntlets, wand of magick miss-iles), base items, custom titles, badges, costume slots, character slots, ATs and so on. They could even add alternate paths on existing powers (IE, a second set of powers at the same levels that can be taken as an alternate to the existing one) and other as of yet unheard of things, all avaliable for points.

...neek neek neek...

>thwap!<

::: runs away :::

From what I can make of it. The stipends add up. So 400 on July, another 400 in August and that makes 800 and so on.

Agreed.

Powersets were free, I wouldn't be surprised if Dual Pistols and...damn forgot what other set required Going Rogue...were basically the testbed for this with the "whole pre-order now and you get the two sets early" thing that went on, to see if they could get people to pony up cash for Powersets.

It saddens me deeply that, with no Redname coming on to say "no, VIPs will always get access to new Powersets free", that in my pessimistic view, take this as confirmation that they are now going to be charging for Powersets.

I had actually switched from being worried to being fairly optimistic until yesterday/todays Ustream where they all but confirmed it and I went right back into being pessimistic.

Basically it seems our subs aren't enough to support the game anymore, despite what people say, moving to this model is usually if not always a sign of desperation if the MMO has not done it from the start. It was for that Certain Other superhero MMO (where it failed) and it was for the Elves and Hobbits MMO (where it was a success).

The reason why I've never liked the F2P model (yes it is Free to play...stop trying to call it something different...while there are different F2P models, Spiral Knights and LOTRO are both Free to play but use different models), they WILL take the chance to nickel and dime us to death.

So yes..this post is DOOOOM(TM) but I now honestly can't see this being a good thing for the playerbase, for the company it definitely is, for us...not so much.

Looks like I'll be looking for another MMO in the future if they do decide to make what use to be free to subscribers into a paid for item, when is Guild Wars 2 coming out?

And no, you can't have my stuff when I leave (just prempting that).

Oh, HELLS yes.

Drat.

Per the Ustream, they add up - so you can save for the things you want.

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Besides, the basic foundation is already in the game - you seen the pool cue emote? Where they'll be chalking the end and then BOOM they drop into the "READY FOR THE BARFIGHT!" pose.

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I agree and disagree. I hope that, to some extent, things like powersets will will be covered by the stipend which used to be *free*. In that sense, it still won't go above and beyond the sub fee. If that is the case, no real harm done.

Demon Summoning, Kinetic Melee, Electric Control.

I don't consider being able to choose which items I get access to as being screwed over.

I consider getting less stuff unless I pay more for it getting screwed over.

Arcanaville has some decent points in the other threads regarding this topic and I've stated my willingness to be patient and see how this pans out.

I don't, however, see any point in holding back my opinions when I see something come into play that can so easily be turned in a negative direction.

Fair enough. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

This point has been stated by others as well. It implies the assumption that the cost of all sold content won't outpace the stipend received. I'm unable to find any reason why anyone would believe this.

Best case scenario is that in a given year, the content received will equal the normal amount received plus an amount equal to the booster packs with the total outgoing financial expenditure equal to the sub+packs.

Worst case scenario is that we end up paying 1.5 to 2 times our sub cost per month to get the same amount of content we used to get for 1.07 times our sub fee.

Granted the following: Our economy is in the dirt, lots of folks are struggling, game may HAVE to increase income just to keep the doors open. It happens. Right?

Powersets are fairly must-have in my opinion, though.

In the ustream from yesterday (6/22/11) they stated that you would be able to get good stuff with you 400 stipend, and not feel gipped. (Paraphrasing). Now ofcourse they didn't say what that stuff is.

Not all of them. Some like dual pistols I could do without. Just my opinion. If I had a choice there are definitively some I would have NEVER taken had I been given the chance to pay for for which ones I wanted.

EDIT: If we ever get a non "I look like a flipping moronic ballerina" version of dual pistols, I'd spend stipend points on that.

I agree. But if they do increase their net output of content ... we might be paying the difference as well.

Not unless its bad that I'd pay for a non useless Gravity powerset.