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Par for the course, they did this the last time they were in the finals... where they lost... in game 7. So this is just what they do when they don't get their way (look in other posts in this thread for similar examples).|
Originally Posted by Organica
Yay, now we can go burn cars out on the street.
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I have no doubt Vancouver is a lovely city with pretty parks, nice weather and easy to score pot. Sports-wise though, it's 3rd-tier. They don't even know that you're supposed to riot when you win, not lose.
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Yeah, you'd think 33 power plays would be enough over 7 games...|
Originally Posted by Kinrad
I respectfully disagree.
1) I didn't think the officiating was really all that off 2) This was THE MOST penalized Stanley Cup Finals in history 3) The Canucks consistently failed to capitalize on the power play opportunities they did have, scoring exactly 1 goal on PP. |
(2 PPGs was it, though? Still just a 6% PP. That'll lose a series, sure enough.)
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You are correct, it was 2 PP goals. Missed that, thanks. |
Originally Posted by Chyll
Yeah, you'd think 33 power plays would be enough over 7 games...
(2 PPGs was it, though? Still just a 6% PP. That'll lose a series, sure enough.) |
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Originally Posted by Organica
Yay, now we can go burn cars out on the street.
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Originally Posted by Deacon_NA
I have no doubt Vancouver is a lovely city with pretty parks, nice weather and easy to score pot. Sports-wise though, it's 3rd-tier. They don't even know that you're supposed to riot when you win, not lose.
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I don't think this rises to the level of a Nemesis Plot, though. I think it is merely the work of the dastardly Captain Alcohol.
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At least Luongo's okay. The rioters tried to throw debris at him as he left the stadium, but everything got by him.
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Originally Posted by Defenestrator
At least Luongo's okay. The rioters tried to throw debris at him as he left the stadium, but everything got by him.
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Bettman gets booed EVERY year he comes out to present the Stanley Cup because he's Bettman. The crowd immediately cheered the announcement of Tim Thomas being awarded the Con Smythe.|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Not sure why Canucks fans are booing Bettman, but it's pretty classless. Be a graceful loser, gang. I'd be embarrassed if that were my team.
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Bettman is a joke of a commissioner and deserves to be booed.
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I'd suggest that Luongo turning into a puck sieve in net was far more of a factor than anything the refs did.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Inconsistent reffing cost Vancouver the game. If the refs actually did their jobs, I suspect that this series would have gone differently. Then again, being on the team with the head NHL disciplinarian's kid seems to grant you a pass in the season.
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Also...Campbell recused himself from his position for this series. You really shouldn't put too much stock into what a bunch of sour grapes Vancouver sports writers write. (The Boston press is even worse, though -- they actively try to sabotage their own teams before big games.)
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Yeah, this confuses me.|
Originally Posted by Organica
Yay, now we can go burn cars out on the street.
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"We lost! Let's go on a destructive rampage!"
"We won! Let's go on a destructive rampage!"
It must be a 'sports thing'.
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Actually, in this case it's a "rageful Canadian youth" thing. Yeah, some sports fans have gotten caught up in it, but a friend of mine from that area basically summed it up like this:|
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Yeah, this confuses me.
"We lost! Let's go on a destructive rampage!" "We won! Let's go on a destructive rampage!" It must be a 'sports thing'. |
"Vancouver is a nice city, or was a nice city, but it's been on a downswing for years. Lots of young kids here with no hope of employment or any real future with the expectation that the world owes them everything, and there's this general rage that brews beneath the surface just looking for an excuse -- any excuse -- to boil over. It was kind of there at the Olympics but police and security had a huge presence to squelch any problems before they got out of hand. Throw in a general anarchist movement that like to rabble rouse, add security not being beefy enough, and you end up with chaos."
Those self-styled "anarchists" made trouble at the G20 in Toronto a couple of years ago. It's part of the same crowd just trying to cause trouble.
Note: there were relatively few arrests a few days ago in Dallas when the Mavericks won, and I haven't heard of any general havoc happening in Boston last night. Certainly, no fires or overturned cars.
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Chara and Thomas both, in front of the refs, had their sticks in the face of Canucks players. It is like the refs forgot that rule 60 existed. Even the commentators of the game were going "What the <censored>?" At that point the credibility of the officiating goes out the window.|
Originally Posted by Defenestrator
I'd suggest that Luongo turning into a puck sieve in net was far more of a factor than anything the refs did.
Also...Campbell recused himself from his position for this series. You really shouldn't put too much stock into what a bunch of sour grapes Vancouver sports writers write. (The Boston press is even worse, though -- they actively try to sabotage their own teams before big games.) |
Loungo wasn't the only problem for the Canucks, just the most visible. Injuries (probably the greatest problem), turnovers, players out of position, and no follow-ups were a large part of the losses.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
Yeah, this confuses me.
"We lost! Let's go on a destructive rampage!" "We won! Let's go on a destructive rampage!" It must be a 'sports thing'. |
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You mean like when the linesman missed Alex Burrows chomping down on Bergeron's fingers? And Murphy not seeing what everyone else in the world saw?
The refs missed stuff from both sides. Get over it.
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I recognize that calls against the Bs were missed... but they were also missed against Canucks and the announcers' reaction was equally "What the <censored>?". As it stands, it was still the most penalized finals in history, and there were tons of powerplays handed out that just did not get cashed in.|
Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Chara and Thomas both, in front of the refs, had their sticks in the face of Canucks players. It is like the refs forgot that rule 60 existed. Even the commentators of the game were going "What the <censored>?" At that point the credibility of the officiating goes out the window.
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so, yeah, this:
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Originally Posted by Defenestrator
The refs missed stuff from both sides. Get over it.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
Loungo wasn't the only problem for the Canucks, just the most visible. Injuries (probably the greatest problem), turnovers, players out of position, and no follow-ups were a large part of the losses.
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Turnovers were rough too. Vancouver's passing/puck movement never seemed to get sharp tape-to-tape and stay that way for sustained minutes. And I think that was a solid plus for Boston's play - the puck generally went where they wanted it when they wanted it.
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Originally Posted by dougnukem
Isn't hockey supposed to be Canada's sport.....wait, no that is curling.
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I think it's hilarious that the destruction caused in Vancouver is just disregarded as "an unruly unsupervised teen."
Hey, here in Boston, with significantly more people with significantly more to celebrate, there was no destruction whatsoever. Just people in the street having a good time. That's in no small part to a police force that has had a LOT of hands-on experience dealing with championship celebrations and they did a great job of subtley defusing sparks before they could ignite. I definitely tip my hat to them for how they kept order.
On the other hand... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LBtD...layer_embedded
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Last time I looked at the roster there were more Canadians on the Bruins than there are on the Canucks. There are more Canadians than any other nationality on every team's individual roster as well.|
Originally Posted by dougnukem
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I think it is safe to say that Hockey is Canada's game. That being said... my boys brought home the cup!!! (... and the captain is from Slovakia, and I don't care.
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Originally Posted by Defenestrator
I haven't heard of any general havoc happening in Boston last night. Certainly, no fires or overturned cars.
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Originally Posted by Deacon_NA
Hey, here in Boston, with significantly more people with significantly more to celebrate, there was no destruction whatsoever.
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As others have already pointed out, even if those were both called penalties, Vancouver wouldn't have scored on the ensuing power plays. They were horrible (really both teams were, but Vancouver's stink was epic considering how good they were during the season).| Chara and Thomas both, in front of the refs, had their sticks in the face of Canucks players. It is like the refs forgot that rule 60 existed. Even the commentators of the game were going "What the <censored>?" At that point the credibility of the officiating goes out the window. |
Vancouver was getting out-hustled, out-muscled, and their stars didn't show up. Refs had little to do with that, and they made bad calls for both teams the entire series.
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What? If you're not booing Gary Bettman, you're not a fan of hockey.|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Not sure why Canucks fans are booing Bettman, but it's pretty classless.
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I would actually agree with that. My point is that had the refs did what they were actually paid to do, in a consistent manner, there wouldn't have been as many injuries and the games would have been decided on skill.|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Vancouver was getting out-hustled, out-muscled, and their stars didn't show up. Refs had little to do with that, and they made bad calls for both teams the entire series.
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The bad calls only serve to confuse the players, on all teams, and fans as to what should and should not be called. Skill should decide games, not how much you can get away with because the refs aren't enforcing the rules.
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*shrug* again, Vancouver was also active after the whistle and throwing some pretty dirty hits themselves between whistles. They also have a rep around the league that is far from than positive on those very points. It was probably pretty balanced on whole.
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Originally Posted by Snow Globe
I would actually agree with that. My point is that had the refs did what they were actually paid to do, in a consistent manner, there wouldn't have been as many injuries and the games would have been decided on skill.
The bad calls only serve to confuse the players, on all teams, and fans as to what should and should not be called. Skill should decide games, not how much you can get away with because the refs aren't enforcing the rules. |
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And Vancouver should have been called on those as well. I'm not saying "stick it to the Bruins only." I'm saying that the rules should be enforced, no matter who is at fault.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
Vancouver was also active after the whistle and throwing some pretty dirty hits themselves between whistles.
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A FANTASTIC series and a nailbiter to boot!
I wasn't confident that the Bruins had won the game until the empty netter.
Congratulations to the Canucks fans for a brilliant season, and best of luck next year!
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