X-Men:First Class Early Reviews are Good--Really Good
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Posted on: 2011-05-31 22:37 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Okay I'm just guessing, but does the cameo that folks are raving about occur during a sequence where Xavier and Magneto are recruiting folks for the academy?
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Saw it. Really liked it. Very glad to be pleasantly surprised by a movie. Good cast. Good script, much better than most super movies. Great use of powers. Actual emotional scenes. Only two real complaints. 1. At times characters seemed too easily persuaded to one side or the other. 2. I really wish this was a reboot and we could have seen some more of the original team instead of the mix and match that we got. But neither of those are a deal breaker or ruined the movie. One of the better super movies. Top 5 for sure, maybe top 3. Will have to stew on it a bit more.
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Overall, very good. Fassbender and McAvoy were great leads, and I was pleasantly surprised by Jennifer Lawrence as young Mystique.
Loved the "**** Off" cameo too. Hee.
That aside, I have a question about a particular scene.
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When Erik and Xavier confront Shaw at the end, and then they finally get the helmet off of Shaw, the events right after that just struck me as a little odd. Xavier has a line about freezing Shaw in place, and about how Shaw is hard to hold. Sooo... from the point that Erik pulls out the coin, is Xavier still holding Shaw in place? If so, does that mean that Xavier basically kept Shaw defenseless against Erik? Or is it possible that the newly epiphany-ed and stronger with his powers Erik held Shaw in place during that scene?
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I took it Charles was still holding him while trying to penetrate "the void" of the helm to try and stop Eric at the same time. If he let Shaw free he could unleash untold destruction on everyone involved, including the two fleets about to go at each other. That's how I took it.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
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I took it Charles was still holding him while trying to penetrate "the void" of the helm to try and stop Eric at the same time. If he let Shaw free he could unleash untold destruction on everyone involved, including the two fleets about to go at each other. That's how I took it. |
Same, if professor x let Shaw go = booom!
There was already a >spoiler alert< so,
I saw it with my wife and we liked it, though we both sort of groaned during the flying fight scenes at the end between flying pixie tattoo girl and Banshee, it looked, goofy.
And as mentioned characters changed sides too casually.
Good film though, better then X3 easily but not quite up to X1-2.
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Originally Posted by Acemace
Same, if professor x let Shaw go = booom!
There was already a >spoiler alert< so, I saw it with my wife and we liked it, though we both sort of groaned during the flying fight scenes at the end between flying pixie tattoo girl and Banshee, it looked, goofy. And as mentioned characters changed sides too casually. Good film though, better then X3 easily but not quite up to X1-2. |
Only two of them changed sides. The others were already on the side, they were just willing to follow a new lead (perhaps to quickly).
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I don't know much about X-lore, so please forgive me. That girl with the insect wings should really have been called Pixie or something. "Angel" is just completely wrong of a codename, IMO. Not even to touch on the probability that her bones would be fragile as hell for those wings to support her and zip around like that. Her crashing should've killed her.
January Jones...meh. She didn't really do anything for me. Just didn't find her all that attractive. I think I've been spoiled by art from guys like Greg Horn in regards to Emma. No way that most women could live up to that. She tried, but I think they could've found a different actress for that part.
For those interested, there is NO post-reel scene. No point in staying through the credits.
Dunno if anyone else saw it, but there appeared to be another cameo. At least it looked like to me...when Raven shifted to a more adult form, it looked A LOT like Rebecca Romijin.
Did anyone see ol' Stan the Man? I didn't.
Saw it today. My wife and I loved it! And yes, the 'Go f*^% yourself' was a very pleasant surprise.
I think the kid who played Beast was spot on perfect. I am really pleased with their choices for Xavier and Mags...excellent chemistry. I hope in the next installment we see some Mastermind.
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Like others have said, it was Charles holding Shaw in place. It basically came down to two impossible options: he could release Shaw from his mental hold and let him defend himself against Erik (likely killing his friend and who knows how many others), or he could continue holding Shaw at bay and allow his friend to take his revenge even though he disagreed strongly with letting him go down that path.
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Originally Posted by Agonus
That aside, I have a question about a particular scene.
Here there be SPOILERS! . . . . . . . When Erik and Xavier confront Shaw at the end, and then they finally get the helmet off of Shaw, the events right after that just struck me as a little odd. Xavier has a line about freezing Shaw in place, and about how Shaw is hard to hold. Sooo... from the point that Erik pulls out the coin, is Xavier still holding Shaw in place? If so, does that mean that Xavier basically kept Shaw defenseless against Erik? Or is it possible that the newly epiphany-ed and stronger with his powers Erik held Shaw in place during that scene? |
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I thought it was more along the lines of Chuck mind-riding in Shaw. That would allow him to see/hear Erik, like it appeared to be. Sorta like when he was mind-riding that Ruskie guard. It's probable that the pain experienced by Shaw would be transferred to Chuck. Imaginary pain, but pain nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by Hazmatter
Like others have said, it was Charles holding Shaw in place. It basically came down to two impossible options: he could release Shaw from his mental hold and let him defend himself against Erik (likely killing his friend and who knows how many others), or he could continue holding Shaw at bay and allow his friend to take his revenge even though he disagreed strongly with letting him go down that path.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
January Jones...meh. She didn't really do anything for me. Just didn't find her all that attractive. I think I've been spoiled by art from guys like Greg Horn in regards to Emma. No way that most women could live up to that. She tried, but I think they could've found a different actress for that part.
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Even positing the possibility of cosmetic surgery, Emma in the movie was a bit on the...mature...side. She'd be (probably) in her 70's around the time of X-1.|
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Well, Emma herself HAS admitted to cosmetic surgery here and there...
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Originally Posted by Dark One
I don't know much about X-lore, so please forgive me. That girl with the insect wings should really have been called Pixie or something. "Angel" is just completely wrong of a codename, IMO. Not even to touch on the probability that her bones would be fragile as hell for those wings to support her and zip around like that. Her crashing should've killed her.
................................. Dunno if anyone else saw it, but there appeared to be another cameo. At least it looked like to me...when Raven shifted to a more adult form, it looked A LOT like Rebecca Romijin. |
This is the character. At one time she went by Angel less as a codename, more because it was her first name. Later she became Tempest. I would agree it was kind of a bad choice of character and name. I would almost think they cast the actress first because of her star being on the rise and her famous parents: Lenny Kravitz and Lisa Bonet (you can totally see the resemblance to both)
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That was Rebecca Romijin, yes.
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He also had a Cameo in X3's opening sequence, IIRC. Not sure if he had one in X2.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
I believe he was in the first one. Hot dog seller on the beach, iirc. He was listed as an executive producer on this one, so figured he'd be in it somewhere.
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Continuity aside, oh man that was a really good movie.
Oh and that cameo (not Stan Lee), yeah I know everybody in my department at work is going to be thinking of me when they hear; "go --->censored<--- yourself", yeah I sorta say that alot.
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This actually came up in the conversation with my friend afterwards about the villains. Azazel was there for the link to Nightcrawler. Riptide/Whirlwind was there to... allow for some wind cgi. I'd like to have them just run with the Hellfire Club and use Harry Leland or Von Roehm or Selene, though she was probably supposed to be in the background of "entertainment" scene in the club, considering the sheer number of Easter eggs in the movie.|
Originally Posted by PDXUnder
... I hope in the next installment we see some Mastermind...
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Considering Mystique's shapeshifting and all of Xavier and Emma's telepathy tricks, I think Mastermind would have been sorta redundant, y'know?
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I saw it with my wife and we liked it, though we both sort of groaned during the flying fight scenes at the end between flying pixie tattoo girl and Banshee, it looked, goofy. ... |
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Even positing the possibility of cosmetic surgery, Emma in the movie was a bit on the...mature...side. She'd be (probably) in her 70's around the time of X-1.
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If memory serves, around the beginning of Generation X, Emma was strongly implied to be in her mid to late 30's. From that point I took her to be that age, until a recent comic where she whines on panel to the effect of "26 isn't that old!"
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I was very "meh" on it. I think I actually preferred X3.
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To me, the character was pushing at least mid 30's. It was little details, like around the eyes and the mouth that just basically shouted, "This isn't a woman in her 20's!". That's fine and all, but the character should've been cast more age-appropriate for the show, especially if they want to age it-up for sequels later on in the careers of the mutants.|
Originally Posted by Agonus
As far as Emma Frost goes, Jones was a little underwhelming, yeah. Visually, I have no complaints, mind you.
If memory serves, around the beginning of Generation X, Emma was strongly implied to be in her mid to late 30's. From that point I took her to be that age, until a recent comic where she whines on panel to the effect of "26 isn't that old!" |
But like I said, spoiled by the art from guys like Greg Horn, Andy Park, etc., in regards to Emma. According to wiki, a woman named Alice Eve was originally supposed to play her, and looking at the pics...wowza.
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Would Vaughn's directing have made X-3 better? Or were its shortcomings due to script and story? |
No amount of directing would have made that story or the writing in that movie good. At a certain point, actors and directors have to work with the material and the material in X-3 was... I'm trying to think of a word worse than abysmal....
X-3 was beyond saving by acting and\or directing. X-3 needed a page 1 re-write by a completely new writing staff. Seriously, watch that movie, listen to some of the dialogue and try to follow that story. Anything less than a total re-write, would not have saved that movie.
I'll see this flick, just because I'm an X-men fan and I like action movies. That said I'm not expecting a lot. I don't follow the comics closely, but whenever movie companies start taking massive licenses with the source material I have to scratch my head and wonder why they used the source material in the first place. It really must be a brand name thing. That said, maybe it'll be good. A number of people here seem to think so.
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I'm like you. I was going just because I like Xmen and went in with very low expectations. Prepared to be surprised. Pleasantly so. Enjoy.
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Originally Posted by Ice_Wall
That said, maybe it'll be good. A number of people here seem to think so.
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Pacing will be a little slow for an action movie, but the story makes up for it.|
Originally Posted by Ice_Wall
I'll see this flick, just because I'm an X-men fan and I like action movies.
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anyway, if First Class does well, I wonder how they will progress the story? IMO just a gradual progression would work rather than leaping twenty or thirty years into the future. I would actually enjoy the next movie if it were set in the late 60's or early 70's and a third film maybe at the end of the 70's or beginning of the 80's
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This is a movie about "young people," this is usually their mindset. The movie isn't about the which side is right but the "choice."
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
1. At times characters seemed too easily persuaded to one side or the other.
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I wasn't just talking about the students/young people though. Also note that I said afterward that it didn't ruin the experience for me one bit.|
Originally Posted by Residentx10
This is a movie about "young people," this is usually their mindset. The movie isn't about the which side is right but the "choice."
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Edit- wait you haven't seen the movie yet and you are arguing that point???? uh ok I'll wait and see what you have to say tomorrow.
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I haven't seen this, I see it tomorrow. What did you want from Emma/Jones? She's just eye-candy anyway. I mean in the comics, Emma was like a Sister Psyche but with better clothes and more money. The stuff Emma did, how can you show in a movie? Her world is mental. If Jones was subdued/stoic then she played the role right.
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Originally Posted by Agonus
As far as Emma Frost goes, Jones was a little underwhelming, yeah. Visually, I have no complaints, mind you. If memory serves, around the beginning of Generation X, Emma was strongly implied to be in her mid to late 30's. From that point I took her to be that age, until a recent comic where she whines on panel to the effect of "26 isn't that old!" |
Okay I'm just guessing, but does the cameo that folks are raving about occur during a sequence where Xavier and Magneto are recruiting folks for the academy?
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