X-Men:First Class Early Reviews are Good--Really Good
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Posted on: 2011-05-31 22:37 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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I'm not specifically making any attempt to change your mind. I'm simply stating that it appears to me what you find unrealistic actually occurs in real life, and thus there are cases where you'd find reality itself unrealistic. Its not an uncommon phenomenon. I had friends tell me Apollo 13 would have been better if they didn't embellish the story in unrealistic ways, and it turned out some of those unrealistic ways were actually real events. I remember many people saying the original Karate Kid movie was insulting to Japanese people because of the unrealistic caricature of Mr. Miyagi, when I and many people I know actually know people that pretty much act and sound like that (except for being a superhuman Karate expert of course).|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Still not buying it, and you're not going to get me to change my mind.
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People's ideas of reality are based on their perceptions of reality and not actual reality, which is why no one uses real gunshot sounds in movies, why courts will ask potential jurors if they watch CSI on television (and often excuse them if they do) and why Dan Brown has a writing career. In my experience plausibility is probably the most difficult thing to debate in real life much less when discussing fictionalized events.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I'm not specifically making any attempt to change your mind. I'm simply stating that it appears to me what you find unrealistic actually occurs in real life, and thus there are cases where you'd find reality itself unrealistic. Its not an uncommon phenomenon. I had friends tell me Apollo 13 would have been better if they didn't embellish the story in unrealistic ways, and it turned out some of those unrealistic ways were actually real events. I remember many people saying the original Karate Kid movie was insulting to Japanese people because of the unrealistic caricature of Mr. Miyagi, when I and many people I know actually know people that pretty much act and sound like that (except for being a superhuman Karate expert of course).
People's ideas of reality are based on their perceptions of reality and not actual reality, which is why no one uses real gunshot sounds in movies, why courts will ask potential jurors if they watch CSI on television (and often excuse them if they do) and why Dan Brown has a writing career. In my experience plausibility is probably the most difficult thing to debate in real life much less when discussing fictionalized events. |
I see what you are saying about how it's possible another person may react differently in a similar situation. Someone else may collapse weeping, or cower in fear, or stand numbly in shock. But that doesn't change my opinion that I don't find it believable that Erik Lehnsherr, even as a child, wouldn't lash out at Shaw for killing his mother. This is the kid the guard had to buttstroke with his rifle because he was dragging 3 other guards across the ground and crushed the gate when they tried to seperate him from his parents.
Forbin project , you don't know people if you found how Magneto lashed out that unrealistic. Have you ever have had someone dominate you? *Grape victims are terrified of their attackers despite being able to fight back potentially. On lookers often have complete shock despite being able to potentially help. In a moment of pure terror nothing you do is logical alot of times. You go on pure instinct and hope for the best. He was more afraid of Shaw than angry at him. That's likely why he attacked everyone else besides Shaw since was an emotional reaction of fear. (which we see often characters are as powerful as they feel or believe they are, which is definitely the case with magneto as we see later when Professor X enlightens him of his true potential.)
That's what Erik did. He didn't know what what he was doing. The most obvious showing of his is he couldn't move a dang coin across the table. He lacked control and flailed around the office. Shaw broke and dominated Erik. That was why he had to kill Shaw. He was psychologically owned and needed to get back at his former master to become whole again. To get back what he lost to Shaw with in himself.
You see this transformation at the end of the film. He gets his revenge and he becomes master of his own destiny finnally. No longer merely a slave ot revenge. It's something I unfortunately get. I just managed to come to the same understanding without wasting my oppressor.
And besides all that it just made more sense for the film to leave Shaw as a background character from a narrative stand point as said earlier by RemusShepherd.
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Originally Posted by Lastjustice
Forbin project , you don't know people if you found how Magneto lashed out that unrealistic. Have you ever have had someone dominate you? *Grape victims are terrified of their attackers despite being able to fight back potentially. On lookers often have complete shock despite being able to potentially help. In a moment of pure terror nothing you do is logical alot of times. You go on pure instinct and hope for the best. He was more afraid of Shaw than angry at him. That's likely why he attacked everyone else besides Shaw since was an emotional reaction of fear. (which we see often characters are as powerful as they feel or believe they are, which is definitely the case with magneto as we see later when Professor X enlightens him of his true potential.)
That's what Erik did. He didn't know what what he was doing. The most obvious showing of his is he couldn't move a dang coin across the table. He lacked control and flailed around the office. Shaw broke and dominated Erik. That was why he had to kill Shaw. He was psychologically owned and needed to get back at his former master to become whole again. To get back what he lost to Shaw with in himself. You see this transformation at the end of the film. He gets his revenge and he becomes master of his own destiny finnally. No longer merely a slave ot revenge. It's something I unfortunately get. I just managed to come to the same understanding without wasting my oppressor. And besides all that it just made more sense for the film to leave Shaw as a background character from a narrative stand point as said earlier by RemusShepherd. |
Thank you for taking the time to participate and share what you wanted to say with me. I have considered what you have said along with what others like Arcanaville has said and decided that it still doesn't change my opinion about how Erik acted. I still think that Erik is not like the average person and would have reacted differently. We will simply have to agree to disagree about how a make believe person should have reacted in a hypothetical situation.
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Well I agree Magneto is not your typical person, it's these events that made him that way. I mean Bruce Wayne did nothing while his parents were gunned down in front of him despite being Batman. If he was born a hardass then his parents death likely wouldn't have scarred him in the first place. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Thank you for taking the time to participate and share what you wanted to say with me. I have considered what you have said along with what others like Arcanaville has said and decided that it still doesn't change my opinion about how Erik acted. I still think that Erik is not like the average person and would have reacted differently. We will simply have to agree to disagree about how a make believe person should have reacted in a hypothetical situation.
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Erik was a fairly normal kid prior to these events, and part of his never goes past this moment. Which why psychics are able to attack him and remind him of what happened as a kid which often can bring him to his knees. (this happened when he attacked Shaw in the movie on the boat when Emma disables him, and also in the animated series even.) Part of Magneto will always be a scared little boy angry at the world. He wants the humans to feel as helpless as he did. He wants them to know his pain.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Shaw didn't seem untouchable because nothing was done to Shaw. I won't even buy the argument that Magneto was in the eye of the storm and his powers were out of control around him, because they didn't work that way. An eye of a storm is circular or spherical. The powers that were out of control 3 feet away from him behind the glass wall, and 3 feet away where the guards were standing weren't out of control 3 feet away from him behind the desk where Shaw was sitting. At the very least the pistol, filing cabinet, bell, helmets, etc should have also been violently tossed around.
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Ya know I'll concede I'm being stubborn about my image of Magneto, but as an X-men fan I've let so much other stuff slide without comment in these movies. I'm just drawing a line at that 2-3 minute scene.
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Originally Posted by Lastjustice
Well I agree Magneto is not your typical person, it's these events that made him that way. I mean Bruce Wayne did nothing while his parents were gunned down in front of him despite being Batman. If he was born a hardass then his parents death likely wouldn't have scarred him in the first place.
Erik was a fairly normal kid prior to these events, and part of his never goes past this moment. Which why psychics are able to attack him and remind him of what happened as a kid which often can bring him to his knees. (this happened when he attacked Shaw in the movie on the boat when Emma disables him, and also in the animated series even.) Part of Magneto will always be a scared little boy angry at the world. He wants the humans to feel as helpless as he did. He wants them to know his pain. |
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If its actually magnetic fields, it could be lots of tangled shapes. In fact, very powerful *and* moving magnetic fields are all but guaranteed to end up tangled messes. The sun's magnetic field is constantly being tangled due to its non-uniform rotation, and when those tangles break and realign you get huge discharges of energy, and the precise geometry of those discharges are highly variable.|
Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Actually it's a cone attack.
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Magnetic fields are a bit weird because unlike electric fields which mostly radiate outward magnetic fields are always encountered as looping structures**. That's what makes their dynamics far more complex. They can twist and bind themselves into complicated structures electric fields really can't.
** A magnetic source that either emits or terminates magnetic field lines exclusively like charged particles emit electric lines of force would be a magnetic monopole. Some theories strongly suggest they exist but they have yet to be detected.
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The good news is that at least according to the daily numbers First Class seems to have significantly better legs than either Last Stand or Wolverine. In fact its already doing better than Wolverine did in week two. That suggests word of mouth on the movie is decent and it might do a little better than opening weekend initially projected. That still projects out to only about $140 million, but that's not bad for an X-Men relaunch without Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan, or Hugh Jackman (more or less).|
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I'm curious to see what this weekend looks like: does the trend to having better staying power continue, or does it start to wear off. A weekly drop off of like 40% implies it might stick around longer than average, while a drop of 50% suggests to me it won't.
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Unfortunately it will have to contend with Hangover 2, Super 8, Green Lantern, Transformers, and the knockout punch of the final Harry Potter.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The good news is that at least according to the daily numbers First Class seems to have significantly better legs than either Last Stand or Wolverine. In fact its already doing better than Wolverine did in week two. That suggests word of mouth on the movie is decent and it might do a little better than opening weekend initially projected. That still projects out to only about $140 million, but that's not bad for an X-Men relaunch without Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan, or Hugh Jackman (more or less).
I'm curious to see what this weekend looks like: does the trend to having better staying power continue, or does it start to wear off. A weekly drop off of like 40% implies it might stick around longer than average, while a drop of 50% suggests to me it won't. |
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Watched it yesterday, and I really enjoyed it!
I am comic fan, X-men included, since 1982. I didn't mind the continuity changes, even the in-universe ones. I would rate it above Thor, which I also liked but felt more like an action flick. I am realy looking forward for a sequel with creative team.
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Although might I just say that Hugh Jackman had the best. cameo. ever. in this movie?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
That still projects out to only about $140 million, but that's not bad for an X-Men relaunch without Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan, or Hugh Jackman (more or less).
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Although might I just say that Hugh Jackman had the best. cameo. ever. in this movie?
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i've just seen XMen first class and I thought it was fabulous. I think from a comic lovers perspective, that (barring one or two canon issues) the care the story tellers and directors put into telling this story was something that people who love comics can be proud of.
As a comic book fan, I give extra kudoes to these big time film makers who actually respect source material.
The writers of this multi million dolar movie did not treat the XMen canon as a cartoon that kids read.
I'm not saying many filmmakers do these days (Chris Nolan) but they looked at the Xmen history, both cronologally and metaphorically and delivered a serious piece that put the tapestry and mythlogy of the Xmen into an entertainment of the highest order.
Character development, the pacing of the story, the acting were (overall,) of the highest quality.. especially the story of Charles and Eric.
I almost forgot I was watching a story that was going down a preordained path. And was I the only one who forgot that Charles was going to end up in a wheelchair?
I thought it was allround excellent.
Well done all round and a movie that comic book affectionados can be proud of.
Movies like this validate super heroes and give them a credibility that goes way beyond the strange looks you can get when you tell someone you're a superhero fan. They place the niche straight into the center of modern day culture and literature.
As long as they produce movies of this maturity, care and detail we can be assured that comics (and superheroes), are well and truly an adult and worthwhile piece of modern literature.
And not just something we can openly talk, without appearing geekish, about in the comic shops.
They used to make superhero movies in a campish, slapstick way, thinking the audience will only respond to them if they are given as light entertainment with little basis in reality.
Movies such as The Dark Knight returns and this (though very different in mood but not in detail and care) show that those days are gone.
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I didnt forget he'd be in a wheelchair. I was hoping they'd save it for later though.
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Shaw didn't seem untouchable because nothing was done to Shaw. I won't even buy the argument that Magneto was in the eye of the storm and his powers were out of control around him, because they didn't work that way. An eye of a storm is circular or spherical. The powers that were out of control 3 feet away from him behind the glass wall, and 3 feet away where the guards were standing weren't out of control 3 feet away from him behind the desk where Shaw was sitting. At the very least the pistol, filing cabinet, bell, helmets, etc should have also been violently tossed around.
We'll simply have to agree to disagree.