X-Men:First Class Early Reviews are Good--Really Good
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I don't consider character interactions to be aesthetics. I'm speaking of appearances, which are important for a franchise born from a largely visual medium. A single bad aesthetic choice can ruin an otherwise decent comic book movie for me if it's horrible enough - such as in the Spider-man movie. Not that things like the black motocross uniforms are on the same level as Go Go Goblin Ranger - they're merely minor irritations that compound with everything else I dislike about the X-movies.
But I'll say that judging from the trailers it looks like First Class may have done somewhat better in that regard, at least (too bad the story and character interactions in it look very Origins Wolverine-ish). |
There wasn't a fun scene to be had with Rogue - some decent character developing moments in the first movie, but hardly "fun". And, as much as I like cameos, the assault on the X-Mansion wasn't really a step up in the fun department. It seemed like the closer the got to the end of the trilogy, the more desperate they were to throw as much in as they could. Most of the fun that was to be had seemed to largely revolve around Wolverine's character. Which is too bad, given that Bobby and Kurt were both around at various points. |
And in so choosing, they sapped all the fun out of the character and left us with the wet "Crying Bibleman" blanket. As I said before. I *know* Kurt is religious - even became a priest IIRC - but emphasizing that at the cost of fun-loving swashbuckler Kurt ruins the character. Cummings? did a good job with it, though - it was just a good performance of bad material. |
And, yes, they did the same thing with Rogue - emphasize all her worst qualities. Rogue's saving grace in the comic, other than eye-candy, is that her auxilliary powers make her useful to have around. They took away those auxilliary powers (and the eye-candy, for that matter), and we were left with whiny I-want-to-be-touched-but-can't Rogue who can't do much but stand around being pathetic. |
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The first thing I ever saw him in was the Children of Dune miniseries where he played Leto II and even then I thought he was good.
Well she was still at pre-X-Man level and was only along for the missions since the mansion was attacked. At the end of X2 we see that she's graduated, so to speak, but X3 was the one that failed to use her effectively.
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I remember generally liking that, but it's been so long since I watched it that I couldn't specifically recall McAvoy in it.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
Have not seen the film. I do have something for you, Durakken, though. It's a test for how well a film portrays female characters. I forget what the test is called, but it has a name out there somewhere.
Anyhow: The Test for Female Characterization 1. Is there more than one major female character in the film? 2. If so, do those female characters ever talk to each other? 3. If so, do those female characters talk to each other about subjects other than men? Gotta hit all three points to pass the test. Not many blockbuster movies do. |
I dont get all the hate for the first 3 x-men movies. They were good to me. True enough they do not respect the source material and they wrote themselves into a corner they couldnt get out of but hell doesnt every movie these days do? That bit aside as a movie and you had no prior knowledge of the marvel comics you can not really say it was a bad movie compared to all the other garbage thats been coming out prior to this summer.
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I dont get all the hate for the first 3 x-men movies. They were good to me. True enough they do not respect the source material and they wrote themselves into a corner they couldnt get out of but hell doesnt every movie these days do? That bit aside as a movie and you had no prior knowledge of the marvel comics you can not really say it was a bad movie compared to all the other garbage thats been coming out prior to this summer.
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Who had bad hair? Okay, DC's on deck next, Green Lantern Hold the X3 was bad comment till after the 17th. Transformers I don't know what to expect.
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I mean, gah:
And another bad movie coming out doesn't stop previous movies from being bad.
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Have not seen the film. I do have something for you, Durakken, though. It's a test for how well a film portrays female characters. I forget what the test is called, but it has a name out there somewhere.
Anyhow: The Test for Female Characterization 1. Is there more than one major female character in the film? 2. If so, do those female characters ever talk to each other? 3. If so, do those female characters talk to each other about subjects other than men? Gotta hit all three points to pass the test. Not many blockbuster movies do. |
Mystique and Emma Frost are secondary characters at best. Angel and the government agent are tertiary or worse.
Do you consider Secondary major?
If so then how do you define major? Emma didn't need to exist in the movie cuz her character doesn't make a difference. Mystique was more about being talked to rather than talking...
Also both had very little over all screen time.
Talk in what way? i don't remember Mystique talking to Emma and very little and in a group setting to Angel.
Every time Mystique talked pretty much it was about how she looked save for the one time which was We should have call signs!
Emma on the other hand seemed to say stuff just to justify her being in the seen rather than her having any content...I mean even the scene where she is captured and interrogated by Xavier and Magneto she says very little and then they cut away before we see anything really happen.
So I'd say, no, no two major females...nor did they talk but then i could be mistaken. Like I said the female characters seemed more like plot devices than characters.
As far as Darwin... I thought he had interesting power concept that they could have played with and since he i guess died in the comics they could have done more with him without making fans as mad. I hadn't heard of him before now either...just seems like a character you wouldn't kill off.
Had a conversation about the movie on the carpool home...
An observation I had missed was pointed out to me - other than Darwin, none of those that stayed with the 'good guys' were minorities. In the context of the acceptance theme, I thought that was interesting.
Had a conversation about the movie on the carpool home...
An observation I had missed was pointed out to me - other than Darwin, none of those that stayed with the 'good guys' were minorities. In the context of the acceptance theme, I thought that was interesting. |
Then we have the fact that there were 3 that switched sides, Angel, Raven, and Erik. Of those three, only one would be considered a "minority" by current definition. One of the remainder was white and the other saw herself as a white girl. Raven would technically be "blue", of which 50% went evil and 50% stayed good.
On the good team, we have Darwin and Beast. One is a traditional "minority" and the other became one of two people on the planet that shared that skin color.
You could even say that there was a third minority that stayed good...namely the ginger.
Is that really a valid observation though? I mean, in the context of the movie, ALL the mutants are a "minority". Subdividing based on skin color is no more valid in that situation than subdividing based upon powers.
Then we have the fact that there were 3 that switched sides, Angel, Raven, and Erik. Of those three, only one would be considered a "minority" by current definition. One of the remainder was white and the other saw herself as a white girl. Raven would technically be "blue", of which 50% went evil and 50% stayed good. On the good team, we have Darwin and Beast. One is a traditional "minority" and the other became one of two people on the planet that shared that skin color. You could even say that there was a third minority that stayed good...namely the ginger. |
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As far as Darwin... I thought he had interesting power concept that they could have played with and since he i guess died in the comics they could have done more with him without making fans as mad. I hadn't heard of him before now either...just seems like a character you wouldn't kill off.
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Robert Townshend has a bit about it:
"Private Johnson! Go down that long, dark tunnel with the slime coming out of it and check it out!"
"Yassuh! I be right back! Ahhhhhh-!"
Maybe he'll come back in the sequel, though. Since his power is to adapt, perhaps he adapted into an energy being.
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Have not seen the film. I do have something for you, Durakken, though. It's a test for how well a film portrays female characters. I forget what the test is called, but it has a name out there somewhere.
Anyhow: The Test for Female Characterization 1. Is there more than one major female character in the film? 2. If so, do those female characters ever talk to each other? 3. If so, do those female characters talk to each other about subjects other than men? Gotta hit all three points to pass the test. Not many blockbuster movies do. |
I think the first one also specified that they had to have names.
Edit: added the link.
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I enjoyed the movie alot. It was very good in my opinion. My only complaint is how they just decide on a whim to discard decades of comic book history when they do these reboots. I was very shocked though at how good the guy who played professor x actually acts.
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