Would you pay for an Incarnate booster pack? I would


Adeon Hawkwood

 

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They should just set all of the costume pieces/aruas/emotes to 1 emp merit each, but make it so they're no longer account unlocks.


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How sad is it that here we are actually begging to pay for chest emblems and auras now??

Remember all those threads that popped up when the 1st booster was announced? All those threads with players vs players claiming this game had 'gone to the americans'.

The threads where we said, "Yikes, this is a slippery slope here, hope this doesn't mean we won't still get free costume updates" and all the others chiming in that we would be eating crow with all the doooom speak?

Yeah...


Look, I understand Posi and crew need to put something in the system beyond powers. Otherwise a year from now it'd be next to impossible to form leagues for the trials with everyone just waiting for the next tier to hit then blitzing them. However, if the past 7 years have taught us anything it's that this community is ardent about it's customization.

Very ardent.

Beyond that though, one of the things that has kept this game thriving for this long is the ability to create endless alts. I'd wager that a sizeable chunk of our community is still here solely for that reason. As opposed to the WoW mindset of grind one toon endlessly. What keeps this demographic subscribed is the additions of new costumes and powersets that have generally been included in Issues. Then boosters came and we slowly 'sucked it up' and relented to buying the ones we had concepts for.
Life goes on.

Now though...

I'll admit it's still in Beta so things could change. However, all I've seen indicated is they are looking at the prices, not the content. I don't expect any amount of 'shouting in the wind' will make them pull the aura's and such.

Sadly, this will not bode well for quite a few players. Hopefully they'll all just 'suck it up' some more.

In closing: I'm all for keeping the Incarnate Armor tied to the system. It makes sense and rewards those that become Incarnates. Also serves as a visual cue. I'm all for that. In truth I actually prefer boosters. As I like to give this game all the extra income I can. That said, I do miss the days of looking forward to all the new concepts I could roll when a new issue hit.
When I 1st saw the new aura's I instantly came up with concepts for 3 of them, nearly fully fleshed out one concept before I realized I'd never actually get to use them as I've choosen to opt out of the endgame.


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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ View Post
pick one >.>
Clarification;

The 'End Game' is aimed at people who generally don't care about costumes and such.

The Armour, emotes and auras are aimed at the costumer and RP sub-group, and yet they are gated behind end-game content.


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Maestro, I think the point is more that people would rather pay cash monies than have to do 3 trials a day for 134 days to unlock one full set of costume parts.

This is unrelated to the separate topic of free costume parts vs transaction costume parts


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The 'End Game' is aimed at people who generally don't care about costumes and such.
Eh, I'm sure there's a large group of us who care about both.


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[QUOTE=theOcho;3409811]As to the REAL reason I'll be leaving, I'm afraid it is indeed because Tamaki Revolution dc'd on me during a RSF.[/QUOTE]

 

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I'm being cautiously optimistic that those prices won't go live.


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Eh, I'm sure there's a large group of us who care about both.
I'd put myself in that category.


 

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Eh, I'm sure there's a large group of us who care about both.
Undoubtably. However, Positron's claim is that these are aimed as an 'incentive' for more people to play the Trials.

Put it this way, I voiced the prices on URP channel last night. The responces were...let's say 'unamused'. A lot of people do not like the ITrials, a large number of them do like the new costume parts.

Those two do not sit hand in hand.


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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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I personally see nothing wrong w/ the trials, but I understand the current lag/pet issues can be a turn off.


 

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I personally see nothing wrong w/ the trials, but I understand the current lag issues can be a turn off.
A lot of people I know run into one of more of these;

-Not IO slotted like a boss to counter Praetorian higher numbers
-Not got any Level shifts
-Get intense lag issues/graphical problems even running the ITrials
-Do not have time to consta-grind for things
-Would rather not consta-grind for stuff
-Get sick and tired of doing the same two (three soon) things over and over and over and over again.


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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Those prices are some big pile of... bull****


F that noise.


 

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A lot of people I know run into one of more of these;

-Not IO slotted like a boss to counter Praetorian higher numbers
-Not got any Level shifts
-Get intense lag issues/graphical problems even running the ITrials
-Do not have time to consta-grind for things
-Would rather not consta-grind for stuff
-Get sick and tired of doing the same two (three soon) things over and over and over and over again.
It's kind of funny while I like the end game and shiny stuff, I can also feel the same pain with each of those issues you mention.

-only a few of my characters are "slotted like a boss" and out of those few, I've only used one of them and have taken lesser built characters through the trials.
-aside from my tank with the alpha level shift, the only other two characters that got a level shift had to suck wind for a while before I got it grinding the trials
-I've found this to be hit or miss about the lag issue, I know the Devs have said one thing, but my personal experience is what the players are bringing that are intense graphics-wise and how many of them their are...
-time constraints suck, if I got time, it's maybe once a week
-I honestly find the Lambda Trial boring and like the BAF more despite the beginning cut scene, though that'll be fixed soon with the ability to skip the cut scene after going through it once.

I guess the only real difference is that I'm willing to deal w/ some crap (lifetime of training).


 

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Order of Logic for me:

I'd rather free costumes than paid for costumes, but I'm happy to pay for them.

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I'd rather pay for costumes than run iTrials over and over to unlock them (when I could be using those rewards to slot my characters to make sure I don't have to go near iTrials again)

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I'd rather run iTrials than....

wait...

...

wait...

No. There's nothing I'd rather do iTrials for than.

Imagine I'm a new player.

"Oh cool, you can be all these different types of character, and there's auras you can have! Wait, I have to pay or get to level 30 for auras... oh... well, okay then! Oh cool, a lightning aura from my feet that follows me around! That'd work with my idea for a robot that's like a power plant and fires lightning out! Wait, I have to get to level 50 to get that aura?

Wait, I have to get to level 50 and run these bits of content to look like that?"

There's another game, that I won't mention. It's fantasy though. There was an update and new character class combinations became available.

I got the idea for an elf warrior who hunts things, and the picture I got in my mind of this guy was black hair done up in a ponytail, a big sword, and an eyepatch.

Ponytail? Available from level 1.

Big sword? I had some low level options available thankfully.

Eyepatch? ... Nope. No level 1 option. It was there as a rare drop from some higher level content, or from some higher level quests, or from some close to max level quests as a purchasable reward.

The character was dropped and I soon lost interest in the game (having returned briefly at a group of friends bequest after burning out due to them raiding at the beginning of the year). Because the character didn't look right.

When I joined this game back in 2005, I was wary of the grind for stuff at end-game approach, and loved the 'look how you want/perform how you want regardless of actual appearance/power level' bit of the whole game.

And now it seems someone's gone 'Oh hey, you know what would be a great idea? Have people grind way in our end-game content to look how they want!'

And that's the kind of path that may lead to me considering to spend my £8.99 a month on something else. Like charity shop sci-fi books. Or a film rental subscription.

It's why I've always been a fan of capes and auras from level 1. Or even just coughing up the cash to do this from the get go, now that I've seen the alternatives.

The devs could get my monthly fee and some one-off payments from me, rather than me considering to no longer give them my monthly fee and no one-off payments. I'm not going to go "Oh, I have this Pixel Aura, now I'm going to leave." because I've been here for 6 years with costumes and RP in game. Without it, I'd have left long ago.

When it's now 'Grind for the possible use of these in characters but only if I create them, claim the token from my gleemail, take them to a tailor, then use a tailor token to put the aura on them if they fit, delete if they don't?'

No. Non. Iie. Nein. Nay. Nae. Nyet.


 

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Heh, my only nearly finished slotted char is my Bots/Traps MM namesake. And he still finds ITrials horrific, due to the assurance that MMs will suffer most from spammed, high damage and high accuracy AoE. He also seems to have appalling luck with drop rates.

I guess you have more patience with dealing with crap in something you do to escape the crap of life Myself, less so.


Edit: Also, Z sums it up perfectly as usual.


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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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work, netflix, call of duty and coh are my escapes


 

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Gods damnit, stop making me miss my Xbox and home internet when I have to grind university work for my Degree accolade


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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I would rather have to earn it so it sets the haves apart from the have-nots.
That's precisely what I don't want.


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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That's the sentiment I'm getting out of a lot of people on the forums these days. The sense of: "How DARE they pay attention to someone that isn't me!"
Then you see what you want to see, because that's nothing at all like what's actually being said.

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It is just as optional as anything else in the game. You don't HAVE to take part in it if you don't want to. Just as you don't HAVE to buy the booster packs, you don't HAVE to PvP. Hell, for that matter you don't HAVE to level your character, there is absolutely nothing preventing you from stanidng around in Atlas Park at level 1 forever if you decide that's what you want to do.
You're either trying to construct a very obvious straw man... Again, or you're putting your posts in the wrong thread. No-one's talking about having to do anything. We are, as a point of fact, talking about a Booster Pack that will allow us to not do anything. That's kind of the point.


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Clarification;

The 'End Game' is aimed at people who generally don't care about costumes and such.

The Armour, emotes and auras are aimed at the costumer and RP sub-group, and yet they are gated behind end-game content.
And of course the two are mutually exclusive, right?

There is ZERO possibility that some people both A) Want an end game, and B) Care about costumes and such?

I call shenanigans on that one. There are PLENTY of people who both enjoy costumes and wanted an end game.

I see no rule anywhere that says if you want an end game you aren't allowed to care about costumes, or vice versa.


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Gods damnit, stop making me miss my Xbox and home internet when I have to grind university work for my Degree accolade
*pat pat* grinding for Game Art & Design Degree Accolade wasn't as fun as I thought it'd be.


 

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And of course the two are mutually exclusive, right?

There is ZERO possibility that some people both A) Want an end game, and B) Care about costumes and such?
The logical leap happens here: Yes, there are people who want costumes and an end game. How many of these people want costumes ONLY FRONT an end game, and how many of them would accept new costumes and new end game coming separately?


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Gods damnit, stop making me miss my Xbox and home internet when I have to grind university work for my Degree accolade
You appear to like your Xbox so much you made your signature character in its likeness


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
And of course the two are mutually exclusive, right?

There is ZERO possibility that some people both A) Want an end game, and B) Care about costumes and such?

I call shenanigans on that one. There are PLENTY of people who both enjoy costumes and wanted an end game.

I see no rule anywhere that says if you want an end game you aren't allowed to care about costumes, or vice versa.
And now your just putting words in my mouth (or at the ends of my fingers, to be exact)


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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finger puppeteering


 

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*pat pat* grinding for Game Art & Design Degree Accolade wasn't as fun as I thought it'd be.
Ditto for Digital Animation, sadly. I honestly think I would have been better off spending the money on a rig that laughed at Crysis and a load of 'Teach Yourself' books, because I sure as heck haven't been taught much...Thanks British education system...

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You appear to like your Xbox so much you made your signature character in its likeness
Alpha would murderate you horribly for comparing him to a Microsoft machine


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Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

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Another thing I started to realise...

It is Emph Merits! You can only get one Emph Merit every 20 hours...!

So... to get 401 Emph Merits... would be 401 x 20 hours if you do nothing but think of playing... Don't expect to see any incarnate armor (full) very fast ingame.

I say dump the prices from Emph Merits and make all prices in Astral Merits. That is the only way to make this even remotly possible.


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