Je Saist is going to roll over in his grave.
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
Yeah ya just know someone with their Ill/Rad would drop 3 of them, in half the time 
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I killed the thing in 4 and a half minutes. Though I don't doubt they could kill it faster, significantly moreso isn't likely. 
Also, I looked up Je Saist since I wasn't familiar with that poster and found this:
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I've been murdering AVs long before I20. Most recently I defeated Numina and Lord Recluse as +0 AVs in I19 long before I added my latest batch of upgrades and Incarnate abilities. I also solo'd a Pylon during I18 as well. Let him roll. |
Originally Posted by je_saist
As it stands right now, any tank that soloed an AV/Hero class opponent without temporary powers would have Castle, Synapse, AND Sunstorm all agreeing to implement a nerf on the very next patch.
One of the factors you have to consider is that very few scrapper / brute builds can generate to required DPS to over-come an AV/Hero class's regeneration rate. A tank, by default, even using the same exact slotting as a scrapper, is going to be down on damage by 30%. Now, if you are dead set on trying this, go over to the scrapper forum and read through the pylon results build: http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=130754 Ask the person who managed to drop a pylon in 4 minutes with a Fire / Shield scrapper what their build was. That's probably going to be your best bet to try and do it on a tank. |
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Originally Posted by Sylph_Knight
I killed the thing in 4 and a half minutes. Though I don't doubt they could kill it faster, significantly moreso isn't likely.
Also, I looked up Je Saist since I wasn't familiar with that poster and found this: I've been murdering AVs long before I20. Most recently I defeated Numina and Lord Recluse as +0 AVs in I19 long before I added my latest batch of upgrades and Incarnate abilities. I also solo'd a Pylon during I18 as well. Let him roll. |
And you're surprised?
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"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
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Yeah, but with ghost robots and a Widow. Hardly solo.|
Originally Posted by Sylph_Knight
Yes naysayers, without Shivans.
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It wasn't so much you as it was them doing the work and you being a distraction.
Heck, Warworks alone can drop a Pylon themselves twice as fast as any Tanker with no player contribution other than some healing or taunting. They're that broken good.
Don't get me wrong, I've taken down Kraken, Eochai and a Monster Island Lattice with them myself, but I would never call it "solo".
But hey, Sally is a GM too, right? So there's always that.
Nay.
[Edit] Gloom and the Soul Mastery pool is pretty broken too, for that matter.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Yeah, but with ghost robots and a Widow. Hardly solo.
It wasn't so much you as it was them doing the work and you being a distraction. Heck, Warworks alone can drop a Pylon themselves twice as fast as any Tanker with no player contribution other than some healing or taunting. They're that broken good. Don't get me wrong, I've taken down Kraken, Eochai and a Monster Island Lattice with them myself, but I would never call it "solo". But hey, Sally is a GM too, right? So there's always that. Nay. |
Nice.
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"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
I'd still call it solo.
The powers used were HIS powers, not temp powers picked up from a PvP zone.
I'd say anything that stays active when you disable temp powers counts as solo.
After all, Ill/Rads are considered to have soloed it, even though the bulk of the damage is coming from Phantom Army and Phantasm.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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/agree with this 100% (and i would know too since i have an ill/cold which solos almost everything lol)
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I'd still call it solo.
The powers used were HIS powers, not temp powers picked up from a PvP zone. I'd say anything that stays active when you disable temp powers counts as solo. After all, Ill/Rads are considered to have soloed it, even though the bulk of the damage is coming from Phantom Army and Phantasm. |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I'd still call it solo.
The powers used were HIS powers, not temp powers picked up from a PvP zone. I'd say anything that stays active when you disable temp powers counts as solo. After all, Ill/Rads are considered to have soloed it, even though the bulk of the damage is coming from Phantom Army and Phantasm. |
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Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
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But they are still HIS powers. that would be like saying a MM can't solo AVs because he uses his primary (which is mostly pets)
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Originally Posted by Auroxis
Phantom Army and Phantasm don't have that 10 minutes of downtime Lore pets have, so it's not exactly the same thing.
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Spending time BAFing to get Lore. How is that different than spending time to get Shivians? It's not. They're both external sources of damage and for most people, Shivians, like Lore pets, are what makes the difference. If I can "solo" GMs with Warworks and pets, anyone can. It's not my feat, my build, or skill, it's the pets.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
I'd still call it solo.
The powers used were HIS powers, not temp powers picked up from a PvP zone. I'd say anything that stays active when you disable temp powers counts as solo. After all, Ill/Rads are considered to have soloed it, even though the bulk of the damage is coming from Phantom Army and Phantasm. |
Under that criteria, dual-boxing could be considered "solo" too becuase it's "just you", right?
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Not taking anything away from the achievement. I do consider lore pets his powers, I just didn't find the comparison to Illusion pets that accurate.
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Originally Posted by Arbegla
But they are still HIS powers. that would be like saying a MM can't solo AVs because he uses his primary (which is mostly pets)
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Auroxis - Emp/Rad/Power Defender Pylon Video Soloing an AV
Pelvic Thunder - SS/Elec/Mu Brute
Sorajin - Elec/Nin Stalker
Neuropain - Sonic/Mental/Elec Blaster
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Spending time BAFing to get Lore. How is that different than spending time to get Shivians? It's not. They're both external sources of damage and for most people, Shivians, like Lore pets, are what makes the difference. If I can "solo" GMs with Warworks and pets, anyone can. It's not my feat, my build, or skill, it's the pets.
Under that criteria, dual-boxing could be considered "solo" too becuase it's "just you", right? . |
Grow up.
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That is the worst argument I've ever heard. The Lore pets are earned powers. Earned, permanent and part of your character powers. Shivans are disabled under No Temps. Lore pets, which aren't temporary, are not. They are YOURS.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Spending time BAFing to get Lore. How is that different than spending time to get Shivians? It's not. They're both external sources of damage and for most people, Shivians, like Lore pets, are what makes the difference. If I can "solo" GMs with Warworks and pets, anyone can. It's not my feat, my build, or skill, it's the pets.
Under that criteria, dual-boxing could be considered "solo" too becuase it's "just you", right? |
You're just grumpy Tankers aren't as gimped as you believe them to be, giving you very little to actually complain about. And you're probably grumpy it wasn't you who downed a GM.
When your friends get A's on tests, receive awards for outstanding work, or get their diplomas (if applicable) do you reply with "Well if someone else did that it wouldn't be any more impressive"? Good lord man, credit where credit is due.
You could just be a good sport and say "well done." Right?
No?
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"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
To a Dev it would class as solo.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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It wasn't a Tanker in that video that defeated Paladin. It was Warworks pets and Soul Mastery.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
You're just grumpy Tankers aren't as gimped as you believe them to be, giving you very little to actually complain about.
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I've yet to see a solo Tanker take down a GM except for Sally. Period.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Spending time BAFing to get Lore. How is that different than spending time to get Shivians? It's not.
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Though, it is different from Shivans as it's not a TEMP POWER!
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In my book, unless it's a temp power, it's allowed. Kudos to the OP.
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@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.
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God forbid any of us use the tools we're given.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
It wasn't a Tanker in that video that defeated Paladin. It was Warworks pets and Soul Mastery.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
I've dropped a few AVs with a Tanker since Bruising and before the Incarnate system. Requiem, Black Scorpion, Scirocco.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
I've yet to see a solo Tanker take down a GM except for Sally. Period.
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"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
Grats, OP. It's a job well done, I think. Don't mind what Johnny_Negativo thinks.
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
I'm not as impressed as I would have been pre i20 but I know that I'd be happy about it if I did it myself.
To the OP, "Awesome work!"
To J_B... See? That wasn't so hard.
To the Ill/Rad comments, my Necro/Dark Mastermind was killing GMs well before any Incarnate abilities. Eochai, Jack-in-Irons, Kraken, Paladin (x2 simo), Adamastor, Babbage, Ghost of Scrapyard, Deathsurge. Also Rikti Pylons and the RWZ challenge. After getting Incarnate abilities, I stopped adding to the list; now I just wander around helping teams (sometimes of one other player) take them out for the badges.
Where to find me after the end:
The Secret World - Arcadia - Shinzo
Rift - Faeblight - Bloodspeaker
LotRO - Gladden - Aranelion
STO - Holodeck - @Captain_Thiraas
Obviously, I don't care about NCSoft's forum rules, now.
Gratz Sylph.
Throwing darts at the board to see if something sticks.....
Come show your resolve and fight my brute!
Tanks: Gauntlet, the streak breaker and you!
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Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Originally Posted by Sylph_Knight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUyx8xYPN1Q
No longer shall the masses decry our role as mere taunt-bots! No longer is the realm of possibility the sole domain of the almighty Ill/Rad!! Today, a Tanker brings down Paladin. Yes naysayers, without Shivans. Back Alley Brawler would have been proud. |
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
I've yet to see a solo Tanker take down a GM except for Sally. Period.
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Come on you can do it!!!!!
Nice work. I doubt everyone could do it, even with Lore pet.
Now, do it (and film it) without the Lore pet, so posterity knows (if) it can be done if the Lore pet isn't recharged yet! (and what it takes if so)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUyx8xYPN1Q
No longer shall the masses decry our role as mere taunt-bots! No longer is the realm of possibility the sole domain of the almighty Ill/Rad!! Today, a Tanker brings down Paladin.
Yes naysayers, without Shivans.
Back Alley Brawler would have been proud.
Raid Leader of Task Force Vendetta "Steel 70", who defeated the first nine Drop Ships in the Second Rikti War.
70 Heroes, 9 Drop Ships, 7 Minutes. The Aliens never knew what hit them.
Now soloing: GM-Class enemy Adamaster, with a Tanker!