Tanker solos Giant Monster - Film at 11!!

The same "data" that you didn't deliver when Arcanaville prompted you for it, I suppose.

As to why you might want to post a video, I will refer you to your own words.

"I've been proven wrong about AT's before and I would like to be proven wrong if it helps my teams get things done more efficiently."

It's obvious there are several key things you don't know about playing/building a highend tanker, and possibly a highend build in general (most telling thing for me was the part where you said good tankers don't have slots to put procs in attacks). If I had to play armchair psychologist, I'd guess you probably have a solid group of friends who know how to play together and are way above the average PUGer, but none of you probably understand the inner workings of the game much, and you mistake the lack of interest in the particular activity you choose to pursue for a lack of ability, and go on to assume you're the best at everything and nobody else knows better. Other telltale signs, in just the latest reply, would be you pointing out the rikti pylon thread results. There's several flaws in taking out rikti pylons as a DPS benchmark, although it is a good and easy to access approximation, provided one understands its limitations.

So, if you want to learn more, put some effort into it.

As for DM/SD brutes, they're good characters as far as ST DPS goes, but nowhere in the same league as DM/SD scrappers. Anyone who understands the basics of both ATs and powersets should get that. Namely : DM and SD rely on heavy selfdamage buffing to deal their damage. Scrappers start at high base damage and have the highest damage mod, which means they get a significant buff from these buffs.

Quick and dirty calculation : assume 2 from base + enhancements, compare to 1.5 from 10 target SD and 0.8 from 10 target AAO, you're looking at more than doubling your damage.

Now, brutes start at lower base damage and ramp up through Fury. That means proportionally, damage buffs do less as they operate at ~350% rather than ~200% like scrappers do. Additionally, brutes get lower damage mods than scrappers.

Same kind of calculation : 2 (base + enhancements) + 1.5 (75% Fury), compared to 1.2 (SD at 10) + 0.65 (AAO at 10). Now, we're barely looking at a 50% damage increase.

Add to that Brutes get Gloom, generally stronger ST sets (i.e. SM and SS), and can pick the most damaging secondary (/FA) without trading aggro capabilities for it.

If you feel AoE damage isn't useful on speed TFs, you're probably running several things in a suboptimal way. Most multiple AV fights, for example, are done faster with AOE spam than ST damage. Generally, AOEs start being a better option as soon as you have 4 targets or more. LRSF, STF and ITF all include multiple AV fights.

There is little point to make a Fire/SS tanker rather than a SS/Fire brute in my opinion ; but then again it doesn't have much relevance to the argument. You came arguing that tankers are worse than scrappers (a phrasing that, by the way, implies that every scrapper should be better than every tanker, or in other words, a MA/regen scrapper should be better than a Fire/SS tanker ; good luck with that), I pointed out that this isn't my experience. Come to think of it, I can now think a point for you to roll a Fire/SS tanker - so you'd actually have some experience on something you speak about so confidently.

Words, words, words. I say words are overrated, moving pictures are much better ; and in your roundabout way you've drew the white flag to my video request, so I guess I should stop here.

For anyone who hasn't figured it out yet. He's just trolling people, either that or he might be too dense to see past the end of his own nose. (And those uh-maz-in speed runs)

Like I said, its been done before. You haven't found a better way to do it. Your teams aren't better than the 20 minute ITF's or LGTF's from... at this point 2 years ago? You don't do it more efficiently. The game has just experienced a significant power creep allowing more and more time to be shaved off.

Long story short. You are trying too hard bro. You're like that guy at the gym screaming at people on who are just walking on treadmills "I CAN BENCH MORE THAN YOU, YOU WANT TO SEE? COME FIND OUT HOW WEAK YOU ARE!!!!"

You should really look into zone pvp/fite club. You sound like a natural.

Missed these gems:

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Originally Posted by slainsteel e.) It's not about you not wanting to run like our teams, it is about you not being capable of running like our teams. Hell, you'd probably be out on your *** in no time if someone even gave you an invite to our group

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Originally Posted by slainsteel Have you actually played those toons? You're really starting to sound like someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. Furthermore, if you don't run on speed teams regularly, you really do not have any real data to comment on this subject.

You're so right, dude. Nihilii obviously has no clue how to play the game.

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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze Nice build

Gratz on soloing GM's I used to do this with a fire/ice tank back in the old days with none of the incarnates or epic powers it just takes skill and a bit of luck if you believe that sort of thing.

1. Grats to the OP. Sounds like fun.

2. LOL at the those who think it wasn't solo. I mean seriously? Arcanville's point said it best. It was solo'd with incarnate pets. What is so hard about understanding that? Why would anyone come onto the boards and trash someone for one of their personal accomplishments.

3. Boy do I dislike the registered date argument. As someone who has been around since May 2004 and on my 7th account, I cringe when I see someone use the "old-timers" vs new kids argument in a not-so-nice way.

From this thread I've learned that it's a shame we all don't just play Ill/Colds and ignore everything else just to please Slainsteel. That guy whom I'm told, is from a speed group which happens to have 2 enviously good TF/SF times out of G knows how many TF/SFs.

Or maybe the Dev team should seek to make the game balanced and by that I mean make the game equally challenging for everyone. Clearly it is not a challenge for Ill/Colds so I'd suggest that there should be the nerfing of that combination as its easier to bring one combination down than everything else up.

A Tanker should gain an idea of how it will Tank anything for any team make up. The challenge lies in making everyone else more efficient with them than without them. An uncontemptuous team would allow Tankers the space to achieve that.

Wow, really, just wow.
Speculation, insults, innuendos abound.

Rather than answer every again and waste my, and I am sure your time, let me conclude with a basic set of facts - y'all can make your own conclusions from there as you undoubtedly will to feel better about your toons.

Fact 1.) There is no tank that you can construct, that you can't turn around into a brute and get more damage out off - if, survivability is not an issue. Brutes get fury, which often stacks to 50-70%, tanks get a -20% resistance debuff (assuming they ALWAYS have their T1 attack in their chain, which sometimes is non-optimal, also assuming their first attack doesn't miss and their chain doesn't go past 10s).

Fact 2.) Some brutes and scrappers are worse than some tanks - if you want to compare, compare the best, the worst or at least something in the same league. Taking a crappy scrapper build and comparing it to the better tank builds is illogical. If you compare the highest damage scrappers to the highest damage tanks, scrappers do more damage.

Fact 3.) Considering the above, my statement still stands; if a tank's aggro management is a waste, the only thing a tank can get to a team is damage - considering a scrapper or brute of a similar level will do more damage, even if a tank is _not_ a significant loss of damage, it will still be an overall loss of damage. Bruising does not make up for it in the various scenarios that speed teams are faced with

Fact 4.) I don't care if someone makes a tank or not, I do care if that tank is coming on my team. At times, I would take a high damage tank over a low damage scrapper or brute, but that is usually an exception case.

Fact 5.) Most tanks are _not built for damage. So unless I am specifically taking a tank from the small percentage of the ones in the game that are built for damage, tanks would usually be a fairly noticeable loss in efficiency (case in point, the FA/SS tank posting on this thread, doesn't even have taunt in his build - that is not indicative of a majority of the tanks on this server)

Fact 6.) The opinions of my teams are baseless. None of you have ever run with us, in fact I believe most of the 'antagonistic' posters here aren't even speeders, right? We have had our off days but 90%+ of our runs are usually within a reasonable range of our best runs, which is more evidence than provided here when bashing my and my team's gameplay

Fact 7.) How long I've been playing the game doesn't change any of these facts. For the record, I recently got my six month badge.


With this I believe I've said that all can be said; anything else would just be regurgitation of the same facts over and over again with different flavors and tints thrown in.

Thanks.

Referring to the magical "Rikti Pylon Thread", it seems that we have been missing a crucial point of data. If he wanted maximum efficiency, he'd go with a team of Crab spiders, with maybe 1 or two debuffers. They provide -res, +dam, and have the highest ever DPS measured (over 1000, or over 3x what the mythical DM/SD got before i20).