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Well, then chalk my misguided optimism up to my relative newbieness. Having been here less than a year I have yet to develop a sense of loathing for the game.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... and again, they were pretty enamoured with AE, pretty gung ho about their PVP changes...
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Haters gonna hate. Leave them to their cynical opinions and enjoy the game.
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Originally Posted by Furio
Yeah...i mean it's not like they've *ever* delivered on things they said they were going to do, or taken suggestions from the players and put them into the game, or in one case delivered on something they claimed would require almost a complete shutdown of any other work... The cynicism and distrust are *completely* justified. Not only justified, should be thrown in the devs faces on the day of the friggin anniversary, no less. Sometimes people sicken me.
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Sounds like some people just need a good nights sleep 
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I simply need to not comment on "state of the game" address letters. I've never seen one that inspired me and didn't come off as market talk regardless of my current opinion on the product in question.|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Sounds like some people just need a good nights sleep
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For instance, I LOOOVE Portal 2, but even in that game Gabe Newell first "developer commentary" message comes off like a huge load of market talk.
I'm not sure there's any way around that fact, since I'm pretty sure those addresses DO go through the Marketing department at NC for approval. That's just how it goes.
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Furio
Yeah...i mean it's not like they've *ever* delivered on things they said they were going to do, or taken suggestions from the players and put them into the game, or in one case delivered on something they claimed would require almost a complete shutdown of any other work... The cynicism and distrust are *completely* justified. Not only justified, should be thrown in the devs faces on the day of the friggin anniversary, no less. Sometimes people sicken me.
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However, I've come far from the starry-eyed "ooh, they said they'd think about talking about discussing it, it's as good as here!" crap that gets thrown around, too. Often praised with excessive smilies and no thought. Especially for things mentioned in a giant marketspeak letter.
Of course, the dev team has *also* changed, and seems to be far more interested in being involved with the various gaming websites over the actual playerbase.
Didn't realize the game's anniversary was a holy day to you. Good a day as any to criticize the team, AFAIC.
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Not sure what they day of it has to do with anything. An anniversary seems like a wonderful time to reflect on the past. If they didn't want their parade rained on, they shouldn't have provided folks the water.
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Originally Posted by Furio
Not only justified, should be thrown in the devs faces on the day of the friggin anniversary, no less. Sometimes people sicken me.
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Haters gonna hate. Leave them to their cynical opinions and enjoy the game.
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'Hating' doesn't come into it, having a somewhat critical outlook due to observation of the ratio of delivered/undelivered content, requests and bug fixes, along with various actual mistakes, is a pretty valid stance in my opinion.
I love the game. That doesn't mean I'm not going to be critical of things that eitehr don't work or don't work well. Or those that seem damn stupid, like not revamping perfectly good zones to have some damn content in them.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Also, it's worth remembering that we're not going out of our way to poo-poo the official response thread (that I haven't seen but I'm sure they've created). That WOULD be in bad taste.
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I haven't done any of the Incarnate trials yet, so I don't know if they include the Praetorian underground that the Devs teased at PAXEast. If they don't, I'm thinking that will be the new zone - a cave system with cool, glowy fungi and bio-organic stuff. I think it was related to the Praetorian DE in some way?
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Solo friendly good, Yet Another Co-op Zone bad. Hopefully we'll start seeing competitive* zones at some point instead as co-op is completely out of hand.
*"Competitive" does not necessarily mean PvP.
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It's bound to be co-op, so something Praetorian is as good a guess as any. They've also been talking about adding more levels to Praetoria (that I can remember), so adding one such covers an even broader spectrum of players. And if there's anything I've learned about our new and improved development team, it's that they put mass appeal before everything else, so the most broadly-appealing guess is likely to be closest to the truth.|
Originally Posted by mousedroid
I haven't done any of the Incarnate trials yet, so I don't know if they include the Praetorian underground that the Devs teased at PAXEast. If they don't, I'm thinking that will be the new zone - a cave system with cool, glowy fungi and bio-organic stuff. I think it was related to the Praetorian DE in some way?
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I'm not sure if said underground counts for that, though. Praetorian content would need an above-ground zone, but that could be some kind of extra island in the Praetoria City bay that's largely wilderness outside and has that glowing mushroom tunnels zone underneath it, kind of like how ever current Praetorian zone has a tunnel network zone underneath it.
So, yeah, my guess is a Praetorian above-ground zone that heroes and villains levels 20-40 can peruse. Or at least 20-30, though that would miss out on the broad appeal of adding a 30-40 place for new content, since that's where most "new" stuff ends. Especially 30-35 is still pretty much using Launch content entirely.
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Since the new zone was mentioned in a paragraph where they were talking about developing non-incarnate content, I speculate it will not be related to Praetoria, and I hope it will be in the lvl 30-45 range.
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Praetoria doesn't have to be inextricably linked to Incarnates. In fact, to make the link any stronger would be a pretty bad move. I'm more interested in exploring the world of Praetorian Earth, whether or not Statesman Sr. is part of it.
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Since the new zone was mentioned in a paragraph where they were talking about developing non-incarnate content, I speculate it will not be related to Praetoria, and I hope it will be in the lvl 30-45 range.
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Praetorian ╪ Incarnate.
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Originally Posted by Irish Fury
Since the new zone was mentioned in a paragraph where they were talking about developing non-incarnate content, I speculate it will not be related to Praetoria, and I hope it will be in the lvl 30-45 range.
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(Sometimes, I wish there could be a Dev thumbs up button for quality posts, because you pretty much nailed it.) -- Ghost Falcon
My speculation is born out of the fact that all of the incarnate content to date has been tied directly to Praetoria. I, too, would love to see the world of Praetoria expanded apart from the incarnate system because I am a big fan of the 1-20 content there.
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Yay...more new shinies that do nothing to REVAMP the old junk sat about.
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I like new content, I really do! It keeps things interesting, and is what makes an MMORPG unique. But that umbrella of "new content" could be: a catastrophic power failure in Terra Volta, a sudden surge of magical energy in Perez Park causing a citadel portion of Oranbega to rise from its current subterranean location, an emergence of some enemy base in Boomtown (which could plausibly appear without notice since hardly anyone goes there any more). That would all be new content! I could go on and on.
I'm sure this new zone will be visually stunning, be chock-full of co-op content, and end up being a lot of fun. But at the end of the day, this is a game based off of comic-book universes, and many of the most interesting stories in those universes happen when a huge event happens within a character's home town/world. Earth-based characters traveling to space and other worlds to end/aid conflicts are always epic stories, but if all the stories that were written involved the character going somewhere else, the readers would be left wondering, "Wait, you mean there's nothing going on at home, no new threat, to warrant his/her attention?!" A.K.A. How I, and obviously others, are starting to feel.
Granted, no where in the address did they say they wouldn't be looking into working on new zones, but history hasn't exactly shown that to be a possibility. While I am always glad for new content, I would prefer to be based on something already established.
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That's only a few longer-term players who should really know better - the majority of the players, new and old, just enjoy the game and look forward to whatever the devs have planned for us.
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Well, then chalk my misguided optimism up to my relative newbieness. Having been here less than a year I have yet to develop a sense of loathing for the game.
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Let's see new zone.. well as mentioned here numerous times the current trend has been CoOp since it provided new content to both COH and COV so despite what you may be hoping for expect that. As to what it will be I am not sure I even want to take a guess at that.
Moon Base? Well they did do a survey YEARS ago and this was what players wanted at the time but that means nothing.
Underwater zone like Atlantis? This has been a rumor since we discovered the one mission where you fell into the water and actually got to swim below the surface. Could be fun but not sure that will ever happen either.
Rikti Home World? Again something that has been rumored to be out there someplace waiting in the wings but what's left of the Omega team have returned to Earth.. Infernia and Galacia along with a Riktified Hero One .. the Honoree. So we aren't headed there to rescue anyone. Maybe to help overthrow the Traditionalists and end the conflict once and for all?
Okay for those that seem to despise it prepare to groan.. My guess would be a 35-50 level coop Praetorian zone. They do mention the Coming Storm in the newsletter but never say its coming with issue 21 or 22. They have said in the past they are NOT done with Praetoria and that eventually there would be content above level 20. Issue 20 gave us Praetorian based content between 20-40 with the Sutter SF and Kal SF .. not actually IN Preatoria but for the first time level 20's to 40's can battle Preatorian and join in defending Primal Earth along with the 50 + levels, Someone else mentioned it Coop seems to be 35-50 as seen with the new RWZ and Cimmerora so it makes sense that the new zone wil be that way as well. There are other factions on Preatoria that could come into play.. Hamidon and the Devouring earth control most of the planet beyond the security systems. The Carnival of Light is out there someplace?? And while none are specifically named its been hinted at that other cities survived the DE wars.
Anyway until someone actually announces what they have planned that works for NC Soft all we are doing is guessing. 
May as well relax and wait to see what it is before we start complaining about it. "Grumble, grumble, grumble can't believe they gave us another stupid____________ Zone. what did we need THAT for?" hehehe
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Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy
Rikti Home World? Again something that has been rumored to be out there someplace waiting in the wings but what's left of the Omega team have returned to Earth.. Infernia and Galacia along with a Riktified Hero One .. the Honoree. So we aren't headed there to rescue anyone. Maybe to help overthrow the Traditionalists and end the conflict once and for all?
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That said, theres still tons of scope for a Rikti Homeworld zone or two. By all accounts theres either some sort of distubance or civil war going on back home, Traditionalists vs Restructurists, so it'd be in Earths best interest to help the Traditionalists.
That and they could then do a Rikti EAT...
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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35-50 Praetorian co-op zone would seem to be the most likely one - we already know from GR that kthe co-op freindly Vanguard have said they're going to establish a forward base in Paretoria, and Prometheus says on the Lambda Trial that hitting Tyrant's military power will give the Primal Earth heroes and villains a freer hand to act in Praetoria - so story-wise, they've set up logical progression of our involvement in Praetoria, from hit and run attacks like Lambda Sector and the TMTF to an established presence to take the fight right to Tyrant in his own backyard.
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Uh.....I think you mean the Restructurists. Y'know, the ones led by the Lineage of War and Hro'Dtohz who want to over-turn Rikti society and turn it into a warrior caste system? While the Traditionalists are the ones who recently signed the Peace Treaty.
That said, theres still tons of scope for a Rikti Homeworld zone or two. By all accounts theres either some sort of distubance or civil war going on back home, Traditionalists vs Restructurists, so it'd be in Earths best interest to help the Traditionalists. That and they could then do a Rikti EAT... |
Opps Thanks Tech Got them mixed up Hey I'd love a Rikti Home World zone. I just have afeeling with all we have seen lately the new zone will probably have something to do with Praetoria.. look at this issue even the new Sutter TF is centered around it and its the first time anyone above 20 level or below 50 has seen a Praetorian. So we now have 1-20 content in Praetoria, a 20-40 level TF involving them.. Logic says they have to come up with something from 40-49 or HEAVEN forbid someone may be upset. LOL
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I'd still rather have 20 zones we use than 900 zones and we only use 5 of them. Meaning, I'd rather they work on existing zones nobody goes to before adding more new ones. Still, I'll withhold judgement to see what it is.
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Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I'd still rather have 20 zones we use than 900 zones and we only use 5 of them. Meaning, I'd rather they work on existing zones nobody goes to before adding more new ones. Still, I'll withhold judgement to see what it is.
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As for a new zone, cool. I hope it doesn't kill my graphics card. I'd prefer for the zone to be villain-specific, but I'm positive we'll never, ever see another villain-specific zone, so I hold no hope for that. Co-op content has "broader appeal," after all. I just hope villains have a better excuse for running hero content this time around than "I'll save it now so I can take it over later." That's getting really old, really fast.
And, yes, the "storytelling medium" comment made me chuckle. "No, seriously, we DO care about the storyline! Honest!" I'll believe that when I see it.