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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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This is your SPOILERS tag, since it was requested. The joke is that Fiusionette is stupid. That's really the sum total of it. And it's not even a funny "ha-ha" joke, it's a funny "NPC companion AI sucks!" joke. Once upon a time (and possibly even now), Fiusionette's AI had her rush ahead of her companion player, aggro additional spawns, die and fail your mission. She was incredibly weak and her powers did almost no damage, turning the mission into a very annoying, very unpleasant one. Players complained, then complaints turned into parody and Fisuionette was compared to a "n00b" player. This was supposed to be funny, and so the joke began. Because about half of Faultline's storyline is sketch comedy, the joke seemed to perpetuate, and was extended into the Rikti War Zone, where Fiusionette was officially written as a ditzy klutz with a low IQ and Faultline was written as an inexperienced nitwit who was unsure of himself. Their relationship was forwarded, as well, with then next "joke" being a botched tell from Faultline to Fiusionette where he forgets to add the slash in /t, and a comment from Fiusionette as a captive, telling the Rikti: "You just wait until my Build Up recharges!" In general, Faultline and Fiusionette were written as a lovey-dovey couple of semi-competent class clowns with a ton of play-driven humour surrounding them, and I use the word "humour" very loosely. Enter Fusion and Jane Temblor. They're the opposite in terms of personalities - rude, crude, arrogant and insufferable. They are, however, the same in terms of approach - incompetent and inefficient. Their relationship, instead of a kissy-huggy one, was turned into sort of a love-hate relationship as exhibited by Bonny and Clyde style couples in crime. It's no longer as adorable. It IS amusing to see them knock each other down with their finishers, though. That's funny. Then we have Praetorian Duray teaming up with Primal Duray, for the finisher. See, Fusion and Jane are actually amusing in the way they play off each other and the way Duray plays off them. "If you've just about wrecked everything, then why am I standing on an intact highway?" "Eh! Blow it out yer ear!" Not exact quotes, obviously, but that's how it comes off. So when Praetorian Duray complains about the incopetence of Fusion and Jane, Primal Duray quips "Just be glad they're not the local version!" in a way that makes me expect to hear that followed up with a laugh track or a rimshot. Because... Jim Temblor and Fiusionette are funny, right? Because they're both clumsy and stupid! And Fusion is a WOMAN here! Laugh, damn you! It's out and out comedy that, rather than being funny, only manages to destroy what sense of humour I have left. Fusion and Jane are humorous enough on their own. They are humorous because they are well-written and well-acted. You don't need to throw endless references to endless player-spawned jokes. That's not humour, it's failed comedy. Especially the third time through the task force. |
Sooo... no Statesline?
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Well, I don't get accused of hating everything for nothing, after all. I've had people overestimate my age by a factor of three from just Internet communication. I'm told it's because I sound like an angry old man.|
Originally Posted by Dr_Mechano
Grumpy moody Sam is grumpy and moody.
Lighten up schmoo! |
Really, though, what I hate here is how forced the comedy is here. A friend of mine once said there's a difference between humour and comedy, and the Duray joke is so deep into comedy it crosses over into parody. Self-parody, in fact, which is just demeaning to the game.
Fusion and Jane Temblor are strong enough characters on their own to carry both the narrative and the humour without help. Yes, their slacker attitudes do go some ways towards diminishing the tragedy, but that's kind of the point. We are seeing people's lives being destroyed, refugees hiding in the sewers, an entire city destroyed, and these two jerks are making fun of it and bickering like children. It adds insult to injury, and makes defeating them that much more satisfying.
It has the potential to be a very strong story, but we just couldn't resist spoiling it with corny in-jokes, because hot-diggity-dog! City of Heroes is just a silly goofy little game. It cannot possibly be taken seriously, so why bother trying when we can take the piss out of own game? It's cheap humour, it's not funny and it's insulting to what is otherwise a very solid story, and one of the few left in the game which are both well-written and well-enacted.
We don't need this parody, and all it does is detract from the experience.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I never had a problem with fusionette. But of course I wasn't trying to stealth, speed run, or herd mobs with her. I just played the missions. This is with various characters, scrappers, Tanks, PB, Controller and in RWZ add in MMs, Brutes, and Doms.
I would rather have Fusionette than Imperious anyday. With him flying around using AoE knockbacks to scatter mobs, the only thing he does right is charge after surgeons.
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I still think Lady Jane is Fusionette's mother................
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
It's a Protean Plot.
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@Golden Girl
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Statesline is forever |
Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Sooo... no Statesline?
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@Golden Girl
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No one answered my question that I never asked therefore it never became a question, so I shall ask it now.
But fo' why so seriously, why are they different genders. SPOIL- wait never mind too late. 
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This is where something more interesting than my global and this sentence would be.
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Anything can happen differently in alternate universes.
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Originally Posted by Impervious Fist
No one answered my question that I never asked therefore it never became a question, so I shall ask it now.
But fo' why so seriously, why are they different genders. SPOIL- wait never mind too late. |
But up until I20, it was only morality that changed, rather than gender - so this opens up loads of funny possibilities in the future
@Golden Girl
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Duray's morality didn't change much.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But up until I20, it was only morality that changed, rather than gender - so this opens up loads of funny possibilities in the future
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Penelope Yin's didn't either - not everyone is a mirror |
Originally Posted by Scythus
Duray's morality didn't change much.
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@Golden Girl
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Well, consider that Primal Duray hates superpowered beings, and went rogue from the government, whereas Praetorian Duray works with superpowered beings all the time, and is about as loyal to the government as you can get.|
Originally Posted by Scythus
Duray's morality didn't change much.
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That's pretty mirror image to me...
...I forgot what experience means.
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That's more to do with affiliation and allegiance than morality.|
Originally Posted by SpaceNut
Well, consider that Primal Duray hates superpowered beings, and went rogue from the government, whereas Praetorian Duray works with superpowered beings all the time, and is about as loyal to the government as you can get.
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To me morality is defined at least as much by the actions you take as it is by what they are supporting.
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
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Because people being gender swapped in alternate realities is a staple of the genre (slightly below people being evil in alternate realities).
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Originally Posted by Impervious Fist
No one answered my question that I never asked therefore it never became a question, so I shall ask it now.
But fo' why so seriously, why are they different genders. SPOIL- wait never mind too late. |
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Sam, you need a sense of humor.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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This is your SPOILERS tag, since it was requested. The joke is that Fiusionette is stupid. That's really the sum total of it. And it's not even a funny "ha-ha" joke, it's a funny "NPC companion AI sucks!" joke. Once upon a time (and possibly even now), Fiusionette's AI had her rush ahead of her companion player, aggro additional spawns, die and fail your mission. She was incredibly weak and her powers did almost no damage, turning the mission into a very annoying, very unpleasant one. Players complained, then complaints turned into parody and Fisuionette was compared to a "n00b" player. This was supposed to be funny, and so the joke began. Because about half of Faultline's storyline is sketch comedy, the joke seemed to perpetuate, and was extended into the Rikti War Zone, where Fiusionette was officially written as a ditzy klutz with a low IQ and Faultline was written as an inexperienced nitwit who was unsure of himself. Their relationship was forwarded, as well, with then next "joke" being a botched tell from Faultline to Fiusionette where he forgets to add the slash in /t, and a comment from Fiusionette as a captive, telling the Rikti: "You just wait until my Build Up recharges!" In general, Faultline and Fiusionette were written as a lovey-dovey couple of semi-competent class clowns with a ton of play-driven humour surrounding them, and I use the word "humour" very loosely. Enter Fusion and Jane Temblor. They're the opposite in terms of personalities - rude, crude, arrogant and insufferable. They are, however, the same in terms of approach - incompetent and inefficient. Their relationship, instead of a kissy-huggy one, was turned into sort of a love-hate relationship as exhibited by Bonny and Clyde style couples in crime. It's no longer as adorable. It IS amusing to see them knock each other down with their finishers, though. That's funny. Then we have Praetorian Duray teaming up with Primal Duray, for the finisher. See, Fusion and Jane are actually amusing in the way they play off each other and the way Duray plays off them. "If you've just about wrecked everything, then why am I standing on an intact highway?" "Eh! Blow it out yer ear!" Not exact quotes, obviously, but that's how it comes off. So when Praetorian Duray complains about the incopetence of Fusion and Jane, Primal Duray quips "Just be glad they're not the local version!" in a way that makes me expect to hear that followed up with a laugh track or a rimshot. Because... Jim Temblor and Fiusionette are funny, right? Because they're both clumsy and stupid! And Fusion is a WOMAN here! Laugh, damn you! It's out and out comedy that, rather than being funny, only manages to destroy what sense of humour I have left. Fusion and Jane are humorous enough on their own. They are humorous because they are well-written and well-acted. You don't need to throw endless references to endless player-spawned jokes. That's not humour, it's failed comedy. Especially the third time through the task force. |
Did you also know that during the STF you run into a villian team trying to earn thier respec?
Or that during the Vincent ross Arc, You (as a villian) wipe out a Hero Task Force?
They are clever light jokes. I find them enjoyable.
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
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Originally Posted by Impervious Fist
No one answered my question that I never asked therefore it never became a question, so I shall ask it now.
But fo' why so seriously, why are they different genders. SPOIL- wait never mind too late. |
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Well, I don't get accused of hating everything for nothing, after all. I've had people overestimate my age by a factor of three from just Internet communication. I'm told it's because I sound like an angry old man.
Really, though, what I hate here is how forced the comedy is here. A friend of mine once said there's a difference between humour and comedy, and the Duray joke is so deep into comedy it crosses over into parody. Self-parody, in fact, which is just demeaning to the game. Fusion and Jane Temblor are strong enough characters on their own to carry both the narrative and the humour without help. Yes, their slacker attitudes do go some ways towards diminishing the tragedy, but that's kind of the point. We are seeing people's lives being destroyed, refugees hiding in the sewers, an entire city destroyed, and these two jerks are making fun of it and bickering like children. It adds insult to injury, and makes defeating them that much more satisfying. It has the potential to be a very strong story, but we just couldn't resist spoiling it with corny in-jokes, because hot-diggity-dog! City of Heroes is just a silly goofy little game. It cannot possibly be taken seriously, so why bother trying when we can take the piss out of own game? It's cheap humour, it's not funny and it's insulting to what is otherwise a very solid story, and one of the few left in the game which are both well-written and well-enacted. We don't need this parody, and all it does is detract from the experience. |
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But MST3k is funny.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
That's good advise, actually. Don't watch a bad movie with me, because I WILL go MST3K on it post haste. My patience for bad comedy is particularly low. I don't think I've watched one that hasn't made me rant more than laugh in years.
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Ah, the irony.|
Originally Posted by That_Ninja
But MST3k is funny.
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Anyway, Sam has always made it clear that he hates comedy. So be it. Some people just don't like laughing.
Possible Spoilers. Just, you know, FYI.
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I understand, and to some lesser degree, agree with everything else. While it's certainly possible that the winking and nodding at the audience (us) is close to, at or even over the line (a subjective line if ever there was one), I didn't pick up this last bit at all. No one mentions anything about the duo's gender and certainly no one blaims the couples annoyance on the fact that one of them is a woman.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Because they're both clumsy and stupid! And Fusion is a WOMAN here! Laugh, damn you!
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Evil is a maze of deceit and the cheese it hides is never worth the running.
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Part of what bugs me is that that's actually in Jane Temblor's description. Something about "inexplicably different gender" or some such. Yes, I get it. Jim Temblor is Jane Temblor. It's funny, I get it. I don't need to be prompted to laugh at it. You don't need to lampshade it. The more you explain a joke, the less funny it is.|
Originally Posted by MDanger
I understand, and to some lesser degree, agree with everything else. While it's certainly possible that the winking and nodding at the audience (us) is close to, at or even over the line (a subjective line if ever there was one), I didn't pick up this last bit at all. No one mentions anything about the duo's gender and certainly no one blaims the couples annoyance on the fact that one of them is a woman.
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City of Heroes can be humorous, I make no qualms about this. But it's so ham-handed with its humour that it just ruins the effect. You don't need to explain your own jokes, you don't need to turn everything into a running gag and you most definitely don't have to include "You should laugh here!" nods to the audience.
I know I'm probably one of the few remaining dinosaurs who still check the descriptions of our enemies, especially on a TF, but it's there, and that in itself set me off on a bad leg for the whole sketch.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Try City of Villains then. B.O.T.L.E.R. was an awesome battle!
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes can be humorous, I make no qualms about this. But it's so ham-handed with its humour that it just ruins the effect.
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B.O.T.L.E.R. is funny - although Statesman doesn't seem to think so
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
B.O.T.L.E.R. is funny - although Statesman doesn't seem to think so
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My COX Fanfiction:
Blue's Assembled Story Links
Grumpy moody Sam is grumpy and moody.
Lighten up schmoo!
You're turning into a slightly more fun version of Venture.
And nobody likes being Venture, not even Venture likes being Venture, because that's just terrible.