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As was pointed out earlier in this thread, even the title presents a challenge for a US version.
By the title alone, the only person that needs to be Japanese is Akira.


 

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So....does this mean they are gonna change the name of the movie to Joe or Jimmy, or something like that? :P
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*orbital cannon finally shuts them both up*


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By the title alone, the only person that needs to be Japanese is Akira.
The hack producers can get around this by having their "Akira" be Japanese-American or, better still, a lovable tow-headed, freckle-faced rascal adopted by Japanese-American parents.


 

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I have never been keen on the idea of any anime being converted to live action movies either due to:

1. Weak budget
2. Weak FX
3. Ignorance of the property they are converting either on the part of the producer, director, cast, sponsors or all of the above.

Remember the live action Street Fighter movie with Van Damme? Putrid.

Remember the live action Fist of the North Star? YUCK.

Remember the live action Dragon Ball Z movie? ICK

I shudder to think what will become of AKIRA, I have minimal hope for the live action Ghost in the Shell and Cowboy Bebop movies also.
sad thing out of those 3? Dragonball turned a decent profit and I'm pretty sure we all know it's because of pure nostalgia.


 

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Akira is a girl robot in this one, made by Honda and Apple. iKira.
The Trekkies are gonna be pissed when they find out.


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The Trekkies are gonna be pissed when they find out.

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And here's my response... This!


I think mine has a better grasp of the situation heh.



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I have never been keen on the idea of any anime being converted to live action movies either due to:

1. Weak budget
2. Weak FX
3. Ignorance of the property they are converting either on the part of the producer, director, cast, sponsors or all of the above.

Remember the live action Street Fighter movie with Van Damme? Putrid.

Remember the live action Fist of the North Star? YUCK.

Remember the live action Dragon Ball Z movie? ICK

I shudder to think what will become of AKIRA, I have minimal hope for the live action Ghost in the Shell and Cowboy Bebop movies also.
Don't forget the Guyver movies.


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2nd Guyver movie was better, well at least more serious (it stared Solid Snake ).

Not a lot you can do with rubber suited monsters in bright light and make them realistic and/or scary.


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Don't forget the Guyver movies.
Crying Freeman - 1995

Gundam Saviour - 2000

Also, there was a little-known adaptation of Speed Racer years and years ago.

Hollywood must be terrified of coming up with ideas of their own.


 

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I shudder to think what will become of AKIRA, I have minimal hope for the live action Ghost in the Shell and Cowboy Bebop movies also.
I pretty much try to ignore Hollywood (that way, I'm pleasantly surprised when they make something good) but the Ghost in the Shell and Cowboy Bebop movies and the Short Circuit remake are three things that could cause me to start a riot if they suck.


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Akira, particularly the multi-volume manga, is steeped in the subtext of the Japanese 20th century experience, especially from the country's direction after WWII and into its growth as a superpower. Even if the American producers come up with an analog for Kaneda's biker gang - and to judge from their wimpy wish list, they're casting for a suburban boy scout troop - they still have to provide decades' worth of social and historical parallels. As was pointed out earlier in this thread, even the title presents a challenge for a US version.

Ringu, by comparison, was more focused on creating a traditional ghost story updated with current technology (videos, TVs, telephones), so it didn't have nearly as complex a subtext. Americanizing Akira presents even more of a challenge as the original Gojira. Remember how well the ersatz 1998 American remake worked?
Never read the manga but please tell me what themes in Akira are so steeped in being Japanese that they cannot successfuly be translated to an Americanized idea. Not trying to start a fight, i'm genuinely interested. I just don't see any life themes that can't be translated across various peoples.


 

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Don't forget the Guyver movies.
The first live action Guyver movie is best forgotten. I mean seriously when you have J.J. from Good Times starring as a rapping Zoanoid, the movie just screams epic failure.


The second one was vastly better and actually watchable......when nothing else is on.

To be honest with CGI tech nowadays the Guyver is something I wouldn't mind seeing done, provided that it's done right. Make the Chronos (Kronos?) Corporation the global threat that it is, get some good dialog and cast and get the Guyver into the action.

For the most part the plot of Guyver is pretty straightforward, transform and fight the Zoanoids and stop Chronos. Throw in the alien origins and you could get a pretty good movie out of it.


 

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2nd Guyver movie was better, well at least more serious (it stared Solid Snake ).

Not a lot you can do with rubber suited monsters in bright light and make them realistic and/or scary.
And at least the second movie didn't have Jimmie Walker as a rapping Zoanoid....


 

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Never read the manga but please tell me what themes in Akira are so steeped in being Japanese that they cannot successfuly be translated to an Americanized idea. Not trying to start a fight, i'm genuinely interested. I just don't see any life themes that can't be translated across various peoples.
The manga is a masterpiece that the movie, awesome as it is, can only echo faintly. It's well worth the investment.

Just to grab something from the headlines to start with, consider earthquakes. It's quite something to see Otomo's detailed artwork juxtaposed to the photographs coming after the Sendai quake - one would think he'd been drawing with those as his models. (Also consider the blank, inscrutable, yet incomprehensibly powerful Akira as a metaphor for the force of nature.) New York City has never and will never experience an earthquake like that, but such an event is something that people in Japan simply have learned to live with.

If I were adapting Akira for a US setting, the logical place would be Los Angeles, which has not only an impressive skyline surrounded by urban sprawl, but also a vulnerability to earthquakes. Los Angeles also has the advantage of tapping into West Coast biker culture for an analog for Kaneda's, something that New York City just doesn't have to the same degree.

But that's just a couple of examples off the top of my head. A truly successful adaptation would also have to find analogs for the firebombing/a-bombing during WWII, Unit 731, urban overcrowding, social friction along class lines, the generation gap, superpower conflict, authoritarianism, educational systems, etc. It's a daunting task that, bluntly, the Hughes Brothers aren't up to. The last time they took on a graphic novel with multiple complex themes, Alan Moore's From Hell, they turned it into a standard-issue serial killer thriller, performed in period dress and with bad accents.

Incidentally, a further problem with this adaptation's direction is the age group of the actors they're trying to cast for roles that were originally teenagers: Joaquin Phoenix (age 36), Michael Fassbender (33), James McAvoy (32), Chris Pine (30), Justin Timberlake (30), and Andrew Garfield (28). Whatever the acting abilities of these guys, none of them will be able to convincingly portray on screen characters who are somewhere between 15 and 17 despite adolescent rebellion and self-discovery being the key themes of Akira.


 

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Which boils down to say that there's a lot more to Akira than futuristic motor bikes, psychic powers, body horror, and orbital lazzors, which is probably all that this Americanized version will get, assuming it ever makes its way out of development hell.

Honestly, I'm exasperated with Hollywood constantly treating adaptations as the excuse to stick a familiar title on whatever hackwork they can commission on the cheap as long as they can attach marquee-friendly names to it.


 

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Which boils down to say that there's a lot more to Akira than futuristic motor bikes, psychic powers, body horror, and orbital lazzors, which is probably all that this Americanized version will get, assuming it ever makes its way out of development hell.
The movie is as much about fear of nuclear bombs and cancer as anything else. Look at what Akira turns into and tell me that's not an analog to a tumor. Plus the imagery of the nuclear explosion, the burns and bandages... it's pretty much all right there.

That video linked earlier is right: the American version will be about Nikes and Doritos.

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Honestly, I'm exasperated with Hollywood constantly treating adaptations as the excuse to stick a familiar title on whatever hackwork they can commission on the cheap as long as they can attach marquee-friendly names to it.
Decent adaptations of Japanese films have been made (Seven Samurai -> Magnificent Seven, Hidden Fortress -> Star Wars, Ringu -> The Ring, Yojimbo -> A Fistful of Dollars), but this won't be one of them.


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If I were adapting Akira for a US setting, the logical place would be Los Angeles, which has not only an impressive skyline surrounded by urban sprawl, but also a vulnerability to earthquakes. Los Angeles also has the advantage of tapping into West Coast biker culture for an analog for Kaneda's, something that New York City just doesn't have to the same degree.
Los Angeles has never had an impressive skyline.


 

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The movie is as much about fear of nuclear bombs and cancer as anything else.
That's definitely one of the themes at work in Akira, which originated during the Reagan phase of the Cold War (n.b. the "Star Wars" SDI's space-based lasers). Finding a contemporary analog for that will be tricky. Even the current post-quake nuclear crisis in Japan isn't on the same scale.

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Decent adaptations of Japanese films have been made (Seven Samurai -> Magnificent Seven, Hidden Fortress -> Star Wars, Ringu -> The Ring, Yojimbo -> A Fistful of Dollars), but this won't be one of them.
Those are all good adaptations, but even the best had to lose a great deal to work. The Seven Samurai, for example, is a tremendously rich film that manages to comment on both feudal and post-war Japan, while the highly entertaining Magnificent Seven doesn't have nearly as much to say about the American West or the post-war United States.

(Fun fact: Yojimbo was an adaptation of Dashiell Hammett's novels Red Harvest and The Glass Key, both of which were made into movies, neither of which are as good as Yojimbo or Fistful of Dollars.)
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Los Angeles has never had an impressive skyline.
LA's combination of skyscrapers and sprawl was certainly impressive enough to be updated for Blade Runner. The Akira remake could do worse than rip that off.

To approach Akira from another angle, Kaneda and Tetsuo are clearly low-class punks. (I wish I read Japanese and could confirm exactly how low down they are on the culture's hierarchy, though I'm pretty sure they're not burakumin, the rough equivalent "untouchables"). At the very least, they're presented as working-class delinquents being shuttled through an educational system that's only a temporary holding pen, dead-end kids with no prospects for the future. While the US doesn't have a comparable class system, race is a sufficiently analogous issue, and recasting Kaneda and Tetuso as inner-city gangbangers wouldn't be a stretch for the directors of Menace II Society. There is of course no way that interpretation would entice Hollywood risk a $150M movie, which is at least the budget a live-action Akira would require.


 

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I for one hope I will end up enjoying this movie, and I'm glad there are a few other people in this thread that don't have a biased against Hollywood and adaptations.