Why won't people respec their fitness powers?
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Posted on: 2011-03-18 18:58 in Player Questions
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Inherent fitness means an additional 3 ONE SLOT powers at your disposal.|
Originally Posted by Duneytron2000
Disclaimer: I know that plenty of perfectly effective builds exist that spend power slots getting stamina. I don't really have strong feelings about this issue, it just tweaks me the wrong way and I must comment.
[minor rant] I am shocked and a little disturbed by how many people still have 3 powers spent on fitness pool. I thought maybe they didn't know, so I've asked a couple times and in both instances, the person responded that they just didn't bother respeccing, or obstinately refused to respec. Come on... if you're running Apex or something and can't figure out how to use 3 entire power choices to make your character better, I'm a little disappointed. You're willing to grind away for incarnate shards, but not .. I don't know, pick up medicine pool, or fighting pool, or recall friend, or leadership. All these things would help the team, and some of them wouldn't even require spending more enh slots. I can understand some builds not taking power X, saying they don't need it and justifying it, and that's fine, but giving up 3 whole power slots just so you can NOT have one of the fitness powers is dumb. Fortunately, the game isn't really hard enough that it REALLY matters anyway, but it bothers me on some fundamental level and I don't know why. Obviously, before the fitness was free, these characters were viable. Every time I see them now, I consider them to have roughly the same level of familiarity with the game as someone who uses jump kick and team flight in combat. Just... go respec now, and we will speak nothing further of it. [/minor rant] |
Making a thread to complain people aren't fitting 3 ONE SLOT powers into their build is very nub.
The people who got the most out of Inherent fitness are those who needed the extra 15% global recharge they could now get by slotting 3 LotGs.
Not to mention picking up Recall Friend for those players too nub to get to key areas of the map on their own.
Leadership pool is nice. A lot of good 1 slot wonders there.
In closing, I don't mind people not taking advantage of Inherent fitness as much as I mind people making nub threads.
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I've got a bunch of characters with old fitness, simply because I don't play them all that much. I may get around to respec them one day, just as I might delete them to make room for a new alt instead. For me, playing the game is having fun, not a grind. I can see why it wouldn't make sense for someone who consider the same thing an essentially tedious activity, but after all these years I still can't see what's the point of playing a game you don't enjoy just for the reward. 
Honestly, the difference in power between most combos is much wider than the difference between inherent fitness or old fitness. If I cared that much about only playing the absolute best thing possible, I'd delete 99% of my character roster!
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A better solution would be to stop passing judgement on players based on their choice of powers, and become more familiar with the concept of a "game."
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Originally Posted by Duneytron2000
Obviously, before the fitness was free, these characters were viable. Every time I see them now, I consider them to have roughly the same level of familiarity with the game as someone who uses jump kick and team flight in combat. Just... go respec now, and we will speak nothing further of it. [/minor rant] |
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I'll just /agree with DarkGob here rather than get modsmacked.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
I've got a better idea, how about you stop telling people how to play the game?
On some of my toons I just haven't gotten around to it. And yes, I am going to tell you that I can't figure out which 3 powers to pick. With no extra slots to spend on them, there's not much of interest. For my Elec/Elec Blaster, for instance, there's not much that's very interesting from his primary or secondary. I guess he could pick up Zapp for pulls, or Voltaic Sentinel for kicks. But nothing that matters enough for me to respec immediately. My Inv/SS Tanker is another matter. Inherent Fitness allowed him to take Resist Elements and Resist Energies, along with Laser Beam Eyes because I didn't have anything else I wanted to take and it's a cool power. Seriously, lighten up. There's a whole world of difference between not taking Dull Pain on your Invuln Tanker and not respeccing from Legacy Fitness into Inherent Fitness. |
I'll just add that while I have characters that are taking advantage of Inherent Fitness I also have characters that don't have any Fitness at all, Legacy or Inherent. And I have no intention of ever respeccing them. They're just fine the way they are.
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I don't think that is possible. If you had a character that didn't have fitness at all before the change, they were granted inherent fitness without the need to respec. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I'll just add that while I have characters that are taking advantage of Inherent Fitness I also have characters that don't have any Fitness at all, Legacy or Inherent.
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At least, all the characters that I had that had not taken fitness -- some low level and a couple of 50s -- had inherent fitness the day the issue went live without any action on my part.
50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM
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EVERY character has Fitness now. If you had no powers from the Legacy Fitness Pool when i19 was released, then Inherent Fitness was added, no respec necessary.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I'll just add that while I have characters that are taking advantage of Inherent Fitness I also have characters that don't have any Fitness at all, Legacy or Inherent.
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Now, I can believe that you ignored those powers being added, and never slotted them, but you still have to have them.
The closest you can come to "not having Fitness" is to pick up Hurdle or Swift before i19's release, and never take any other powers from the pool, thereby locking yourself out of Inherent Fitness.
@Roderick
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Had to double check my high level alts I never respecced and you are right. They were given Inherent Fitness as well. No matter the unwanted powers will remain unslotted to minimize any impact they might have.|
Originally Posted by Roderick
EVERY character has Fitness now. If you had no powers from the Legacy Fitness Pool when i19 was released, then Inherent Fitness was added, no respec necessary.
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Thank you for correcting me Rod.
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Originally Posted by Duneytron2000
Disclaimer: I know that plenty of perfectly effective builds exist that spend power slots getting stamina. I don't really have strong feelings about this issue, it just tweaks me the wrong way and I must comment.
[minor rant] I am shocked and a little disturbed by how many people still have 3 powers spent on fitness pool. I thought maybe they didn't know, so I've asked a couple times and in both instances, the person responded that they just didn't bother respeccing, or obstinately refused to respec. Come on... if you're running Apex or something and can't figure out how to use 3 entire power choices to make your character better, I'm a little disappointed. You're willing to grind away for incarnate shards, but not .. I don't know, pick up medicine pool, or fighting pool, or recall friend, or leadership. All these things would help the team, and some of them wouldn't even require spending more enh slots. I can understand some builds not taking power X, saying they don't need it and justifying it, and that's fine, but giving up 3 whole power slots just so you can NOT have one of the fitness powers is dumb. Fortunately, the game isn't really hard enough that it REALLY matters anyway, but it bothers me on some fundamental level and I don't know why. Obviously, before the fitness was free, these characters were viable. Every time I see them now, I consider them to have roughly the same level of familiarity with the game as someone who uses jump kick and team flight in combat. Just... go respec now, and we will speak nothing further of it. [/minor rant] |
MMMMmmm no how about you pay attention to your stuff and leave ppl alone.People will play and build their toon's whichever way they want.I don't recall hearing anything about you paying ppl's sub's or being the uber-god of this game,so it's best to keep your nose out of ppl's business.
Seriously though ranting about something so benign is pretty asinine....
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Cba, tbh.
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Originally Posted by Duneytron2000
Just... go respec now, and we will speak nothing further of it.
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Respeccing a level 50 is a pain. Even if I just have the exact same build with three new LotG mules, it still requires me to 1) write down the order of my power choices and the slotting (do not tell me you're able to remember your entire build and recreate it in the respec screen without consulting any external sources, because you are a liar). 2) respec. 3) replace all the IOs. 4) Probably the most annoying part, rearrange all of the powers back into my power trays.
So, no. I am not respeccing for you. My main Incarnate has a fully IO build and a Very Rare Alpha. And, more importantly for Apex, I can dodge the blue patches and keep up debuffs successfully.
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Originally Posted by Baarogue
There's no secret. They're just bad players. Some out of ignorance, others out of laziness, still others out of some selfish, false-prideful refusal to do what they perceive as "conforming", which is really just ignorance in another skin. Playing badly doesn't make anyone a unique snowflake, and nobody's proving anything by doing end-game content with a trash build.
When you're leader of the team, and it's a non-trivial task you're trying to organize, exercise your authority to pick and choose your teammates. If they get turned down from enough stuff they want to do because of their lack of skill, maybe they'll change. More likely though, they'll just slither into another team and leach off them instead. Because after all, remember their war-cry, "it's my $15 and I'll play how I want!!1" ... without a care in the world that they're worsening everyone ELSE's paid-for playtime. |
Hey, clueless, listen up. Those same builds have been tearing through content without inherent stamina for years. Soloing rikti pylons, GMs and AVs? Soloing TFs? Done long before inherent stamina. Some builds have been very effective without stamina, period. They're certainly not "worsening everyone else's paid-for playtime," and respeccing into inherent stamina has absolutely NO reflection on how good or bad of a player they are.
Now, your post... THAT seems to highlight a bad player, or at least one who's so uptight and has such a bad case of CRI that they're best avoided as they WILL "worsen everyone else's paid-for playtime." (That's you, sunshine.)
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Originally Posted by Silver Gale
Respeccing a level 50 is a pain. Even if I just have the exact same build with three new LotG mules, it still requires me to 1) write down the order of my power choices and the slotting (do not tell me you're able to remember your entire build and recreate it in the respec screen without consulting any external sources, because you are a liar). 2) respec. 3) replace all the IOs. 4) Probably the most annoying part, rearrange all of the powers back into my power trays.
So, no. I am not respeccing for you. My main Incarnate has a fully IO build and a Very Rare Alpha. And, more importantly for Apex, I can dodge the blue patches and keep up debuffs successfully. |
I totally agree with number 4, that is by far my least favorite part of the respec process. My main character uses most of the power trays and to come out of the respec interface to find all my trays filled with temp powers and having to empty them all and re-fill them in obnoxious.
I'll just echo what everybody else has said ...
I have two main toons that I play -- a inv/mace tanker and a ninja/sr stalker. I respecced the tanker but haven't touched the stalker yet. The reason why I haven't respecced the stalker yet is because respeccing is a major PITA. It's time-consuming, I have to spend lots of time figuring out where to put various enhancements and how to slot powers. And if I mess up one thing, I have to undo all of that work to fix that one mistake. It isn't fun, and honestly my build works just fine the way it is. Could it be tweaked a little bit to make it slightly better? Sure, but I'm not a min/maxer. I play to have fun. Respeccing isn't fun, so I try to do it as little as possible.
Now, if they changed or uphauled the respec UI and make it a LOT easier and more user-friendly to use ... then I'd probably be more willing to respec some of my toons. But as it stands right now ... I'll pass.
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So this is my current live build for Dr. Malthusian who i haven't respecced yet. There's a few slots i want to move around in addition to adding the teleport pool, but then i did the build on this one without Mids' as i leveled up. Most other alts i do a respec when i hit 50, but the Doctor was just leveled up as a sort of trial to see how well i could make a build without using a planner:Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.92
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Dr. Malthusian: Level 50 Natural Defender
Primary Power Set: Dark Miasma
Secondary Power Set: Ice Blast
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Psychic Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Tar Patch -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(3)
Level 1: Ice Bolt -- Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(A), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(3), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Decim-Build%(7), Dev'n-Hold%(7)
Level 2: Twilight Grasp -- Nictus-Acc/Heal(A), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(9), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Nictus-Heal/HP/Regen/Rchg(11), Nictus-%Dam(11)
Level 4: Ice Blast -- Entrpc-Acc/Dmg(A), Entrpc-Dmg/EndRdx(13), Entrpc-Dmg/Rchg(13), Entrpc-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Entrpc-Heal%(15), Acc-I(17)
Level 6: Frost Breath -- Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), Posi-Dam%(17), Posi-Acc/Dmg(19), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(19), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(21)
Level 8: Shadow Fall -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(21), ImpArm-ResDam(23), ImpArm-ResPsi(23), Krma-ResKB(25), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(25)
Level 10: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 12: Fearsome Stare -- Abys-EndRdx/Fear(A), Abys-Acc/EndRdx(27), Abys-Acc/Fear/Rchg(27), Abys-Acc/Rchg(29), Abys-Dam%(29)
Level 14: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel(A), Zephyr-ResKB(31), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(31)
Level 16: Darkest Night -- DampS-ToHitDeb/Rchg/EndRdx(A), DampS-ToHitDeb(31), DampS-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(33)
Level 18: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(33), Mrcl-Heal(33)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(34), EndMod-I(34)
Level 22: Ice Storm -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), Posi-Dam%(36), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(36)
Level 24: Howling Twilight -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(37), RechRdx(37)
Level 26: Fly -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 28: Bitter Ice Blast -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(37), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(39), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 30: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 32: Dark Servant -- Cloud-ToHitDeb(A), Cloud-Acc/ToHitDeb(40), Cloud-Acc/Rchg(40), Cloud-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Cloud-%Dam(42), Cloud-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 35: Tactics -- GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(43), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(43), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(43), GSFC-ToHit(45), GSFC-Build%(45)
Level 38: Hover -- Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(A), Zephyr-Travel(45), Zephyr-ResKB(46)
Level 41: Dominate -- BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(A), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(46), BasGaze-Acc/Hold(46), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(48), Lock-%Hold(48), Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(48)
Level 44: Mind Over Body -- ImpArm-ResPsi(A), ImpArm-ResDam(50), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(50), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(50)
Level 47: Vengeance -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 49: LEGACY BUILD
Level 1: Vigilance
Level 4: Ninja Run
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Hmm. Someone's bridge is missing something... Must be Baarogue. Back under ya go!
Hey, clueless, listen up. Those same builds have been tearing through content without inherent stamina for years. Soloing rikti pylons, GMs and AVs? Soloing TFs? Done long before inherent stamina. Some builds have been very effective without stamina, period. They're certainly not "worsening everyone else's paid-for playtime," and respeccing into inherent stamina has absolutely NO reflection on how good or bad of a player they are. Now, your post... THAT seems to highlight a bad player, or at least one who's so uptight and has such a bad case of CRI that they're best avoided as they WILL "worsen everyone else's paid-for playtime." (That's you, sunshine.) |
I wonder if he'll try to figure out what a CRI is. Maybe a clue would help him out . . . Breathe deeply. That should be a dead giveaway.
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Ewwe. That would certainly not be pleasant. Better him than us though. lol
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/this.
I wonder if he'll try to figure out what a CRI is. Maybe a clue would help him out . . . Breathe deeply. That should be a dead giveaway. |
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Nope.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I wonder if he'll try to figure out what a CRI is.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Those same builds have been tearing through content without inherent stamina for years. Soloing rikti pylons, GMs and AVs? Soloing TFs? Done long before inherent stamina. Some builds have been very effective without stamina, period. They're certainly not "worsening everyone else's paid-for playtime," and respeccing into inherent stamina has absolutely NO reflection on how good or bad of a player they are.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Now, your post... THAT seems to highlight a bad player
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What makes you think *three one-slotted powers* are going to make that big of a difference? Are you THAT insecure about your own choices? |
Originally Posted by Baguette
So... my takeaway from this argument is that since those builds have done old content, they're perfectly capable of excelling in new, incarnate content and not drag the team down trying to carry them. Gotcha.
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I can give a bad player a perfect, purpled-out, multi-billion IO build. Know what? They'll still have trouble. I can give a good player an SO-only build, and they'll still do quite well. I can give you a great build and watch you crash and burn. *shrug*
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Originally Posted by Bagboy
I couldn't care less what anyone who automatically labels criticism "trolling" thinks of me.
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Doesn't mean I think you have a clue about THIS, though.
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Originally Posted by Paper or Plastic
Especially a hypocrite that's made it their life's work to criticize the devs at every turn of the game's lifetime. Good thing the devs aren't as defensive and dismissive as you, Billy boy.
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Perhaps you should pay attention to... oh, wait, your previously mentioned problem prevents that, doesn't it.
Remember, kids, don't drink and CRI.
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I think I shall make a new character named the Jumpkick Snowflake!
What I find funny about some people obsessed with min/maxing (not all, not by a long shot) is that they seem to be under the impression that it is needed... which leads me to think that some of them are really very bad players.
I like a challenge... Give me nothing bu Jump Kick, Whirlwind and Furry baby! Woohoo!!!!
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You appear to be resorting to a lot of personal attacks. Did I strike a nerve or something?|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
What makes you think *three one-slotted powers* are going to make that big of a difference? Are you THAT insecure about your own choices?
I can give a bad player a perfect, purpled-out, multi-billion IO build. Know what? They'll still have trouble. I can give a good player an SO-only build, and they'll still do quite well. I can give you a great build and watch you crash and burn. *shrug* Nope, it's the trolling being labeled as trolling. Though I do congratulate you on using "couldn't care less" as opposed to the rather nonsensical "I could care less." Really. Well done. It seems too few people do that. I'd even give you fair odds on shortening "respecification" properly. Doesn't mean I think you have a clue about THIS, though. "Made it my life's work to criticize the devs at every turn of the game's lifetime?" Really? That'd be hard to do when I wasn't here for the first 3 issues, for starters. And I find it amusing you're labeling me as such when I can point to *just* as many post of people calling me a "fanboi." Perhaps you should pay attention to... oh, wait, your previously mentioned problem prevents that, doesn't it. Remember, kids, don't drink and CRI. |
TL;DR: You mad?
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Shouldn't post while you're staring at a mirror there. Mad? Not in the least. I find you amusing in a "Look what was found under that rock" sort of way. As well as in just the amount of solid, undiluted "wrong" you can put into a post. Quite impressive.
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Originally Posted by Barfly
You appear to be resorting to a lot of personal attacks. Did I strike a nerve or something?
TL;DR: You mad? |
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"I know you are but what am I?" Come on, man. You can do better. Or did you not respec your forum build when they made the Comeback pool inherent? :3
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Shouldn't post while you're staring at a mirror there. Mad? Not in the least. I find you amusing in a "Look what was found under that rock" sort of way. As well as in just the amount of solid, undiluted "wrong" you can put into a post. Quite impressive.
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You appear to be resorting to a lot of personal attacks. Did I strike a nerve or something?
TL;DR: You mad? |
Your assertions are borderline absurd on their face. Are you really that unskilled at actually playing your characters that you require the most min/maxed build to succeed?
Seriously, i've run the new Incarnate trials with alts using pre Inherent Fitness and post Inherent Fitness builds. No difficulties either way against level 54 Praetorian enemies. Sorry, but Inherent Fitness basically just allows you to add a few useful utility powers or gain a couple more percentage points here and there if your build prior to Inherent Fitness was already well done.
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Originally Posted by DireAngelus
I totally agree with number 4, that is by far my least favorite part of the respec process. My main character uses most of the power trays and to come out of the respec interface to find all my trays filled with temp powers and having to empty them all and re-fill them in obnoxious.
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The /cleartray (i think) command helps with this, but it's still a PitA. Between this and putting all my enhancements back in place is why I haven't respec'd a number of characters. My 'mains' have all been made 'inherant compliant', but every now and then I like to switch it up and play other characters. And they all made it to 50 with legacy fitness just fine.
And really, in most cases all inerrant fitness would do is add a couple utility powers, nothing game changing.
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For the same reason I haven't removed the rchg proc from my assault bot: too much effort for toons I don't play much.