City of Heroes PAX East Panel 2011: Issue 20 and Q&A

Ooo. Consider me intruiged.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Hopefully when they do that they will offer a recipe for converting from one tree to another.

QFT

I think it is a really bad idea, unless it unlocks account wide.

Or a way to break down powers already made so you can get to work on another tree. I already have a Musculature I made on a Dom that I don't actually want. If I make a high level Lore pet and then see another one I'd rather use, I don't want to have to start over and be left with an utterly useless power.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Horrible idea. Horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible idea to lock costume parts BEHIND POST-50 content. Unless the unlock is account wide.


Seriously developers, this is a ridiculously bad idea especially if it is on a per-character account. DO. NOT. DO. THIS.


A sixth and or seventh costume SLOT locked behind post-50 content? Fine maybe. But costume bits. No. Bad. Terrible. Full stop. Turn around. Srsly.

I bet it has something to do with Snaptooth.

Or add costume recipe drops for those parts. I say this as a 70-something month vet. I feel bad when someone 3 months into the game asks about specific wings or samurai armor. Heck, if I enjoyed teaming with a new player and the really wanted something, I might even buy them the bits off the marketplace as "Welcome to CoX gift."

Yeah, non-vet players would still have to craft and unlock all the bits, but those of us with the vet badges get all the options already for free on all our characters. Feels like an equitable adjustment for these existing parts already.

While not ideal i think that later expanding the Lore tree to include other types of summons is acceptable. Assuming that later is not a year or more...

Agreed. I hope they go through all the feedback about it. Generic Origin pets are the best bet.

While I'm never expecting full on pet customization I would like to have the ability to change skin colors. Probably as difficult as full on customization but green demons please! If we get generic Origin Wisps then being able to change the color would be great too.

Why?

Now, if they are global unlocks, it wouldnt be so bad would it?

Yes. Incarnate pieces should be restricted to Incarnate characters.

*runs*

If they were global that would be okay. I'm just getting tired of having to buy or unlock all my costume parts. When the hell am I going to get some actual costume parts with my free issue again? I feel like it's been years. And it probably has.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

So then can we say that NPC pieces should be restricted to npcs?

Cause it's easy to say that also.

And just as RIDICULOUS sounding.

Well, now that you mention it....

Seriously, it makes no sense for pieces that are supposed to graphically represent the splendor and power of the Incarnate be available to level 10s. Having certain auras and pieces available only to Incarnates would be great IMO and provide an immediate (but optional) way to show that a character has ascended.

Some people are going to claim they were born incarnates...

lol...you're probably right.

Because creativity is illegal and everyone always uses every single costume part for exactly what it's intended for.

Similarly you should only be able to use the mac pack if your character is an actual valkyrie; magic pack only for magic origin and mutant for mutant origin; you can only use the wedding pack if your character is getting married; you can only use that clockwork chest detail that everyone uses if you're actually a clockwork robot. You can probably see where this is going.

This game is about customization, so locking things that only serve as cute fluffy visuals to the very end of the game is both annoying and unnecessary.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

No they don't. Hyperbole doesn't serve your argument well.

I disagree. Visual cues can provide a very nice reward. The game isn't ALL about customization.

Champions takes customization to a ridiculous extreme; DCUO locks 90% of the costumes away. City of Heroes takes a nice middle ground. Allow folks access to a very broad range of costume pieces, but lock a small amount behind various unlock mechanisms like vet rewards; content; microtransactions.

You're acting as if there's no precedent for this. There is and has been since the day capes were added to the game.

I agree I think it would be great too.

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Yeah, and how often do you see people agreeing with that since the canon got violated by dimensions after the fact we can buy capes from level 1?

Just....I'll settle for 'No'. Because I'd rather not get banned, thanks

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Why does this make me think of the giant glowing shoulderpads that seem synonymous with a certain other MMO's endgame?

I don't usually change my characters' costumes much once they've been created, so the usefulness of stuff like the Roman armour is kind of lost on me. Like after the first time Nightshade completed the ITF when I played around in the costume editor for a few minutes before thinking - this character has spent 50 levels of villainy in a black suit and shades...* why on earth would she ever want to dress up like an extra from Quo Vadis now?

*because casual clothes may or may not be heroic, but they can certainly be vllainous!

There is no precedent for it.

Level 20: capes. They're only level 20. And the devs have given us tons of alternative options to capes, and different kinds of capes, and capes you can have at level 1. Because people complain about it all the time.

Level 30: aura. It's level 30. And the devs have given us tons of alternative options to auras, and different kinds of auras, and auras you can have at level 1. Because people complain about it all the time.

Level 35: vanguard. Hey we're getting a new pack that gives us all the vanguard parts at level 1. Because people complained all the time. Because it's a bad idea as much as I'm sure the intention is to make you feel like you're a part of the Vanguard.

Misc: wings. Wings are for month 15+ vets. Guess what? People complained. So we got wings we can craft, and wings we can get from packs. Wings we can have from level 1.

So where's the precedent for all these costume parts you can only have at beyond the max level? Where are all the costume parts that unlock only for level 50 characters? Or fully IO-ed out characters? Or level 50 VEATs/HEATs? It seems to me the only precedent is for stuff you get on your way up, and those all have alternative options and methods because people hate the idea.

And even if there were a precedent, you know people are just going to complain. Because locked costume parts are not the type of thing this game needs. The excuses you gave have never flied and never will. Locking costume parts does nothing but annoy people. Especially those of us who have been waiting for something new and keep not getting anything each issue that goes by.

Global unlocks I could get behind, as long as they aren't ungodly expensive and all new costume parts are this way. If you have to be an incarnate just to wear a pair of pants, screw that.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

As the lore behind the Lore slot says that the pets are the essence of Incarnate empowered enemies that we've extracted from the Well, that opens up the possibility of any non-Praetorian Incarnate empowered enemies we fight later on also being made available as Lore pets.

I'm waiting for EG to come back with "other mmos do it" as an argument.

Preemptively: If I wanted to play those mmos I would. Also I've played a few of those. They suck. Full Stop.