City of Heroes PAX East Panel 2011: Issue 20 and Q&A
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Posted on: 2011-03-12 21:18 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Okay, how about more thematically appropriate: what if they unlocked items that made you look like a pure energy being using the new glow tech or some other CONCEPT DEFINING costume piece?|
Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
I dont expect this at all, we have (most likely) seen some costume pieces in the "whats this" pic from the old thread, i think from pax west, if they are indeed part of what theya re going for, its just more grandiose looking versions of existing bits.
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Waiting till you are a mid level incarnate to unlock that signature concept look is STUPID.
Maybe it is something more like what we see in that teaser image, but for some of us who play more slowly, by the time our character becomes an incarnate, radically redoing their look and concept entirely likely won't be happening. So are the devs then encouraging me to PL a character to get the costume bits that should have been there much earlier in their career?
IMO, if these are NOT global unlocks--or there is not a local and global unlock price (global being say 5x the merit price or some such)--this is a horrible reward design decision.
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Originally Posted by Psychoti
Is there a text play-by-play on these or a recap I could read somewhere? The audio wasn't as audible as I'd have hoped - not a knock on you for posting them, it's really awesome of you to have done this OP! - and I would like to know what they're saying in the Q&A.
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I was farther back than I would have liked, the panel was pretty crowded, so the audio isn't as good as the NYCC one I did. You can read Newsarama's live coverage of the panel here:
http://www.newsarama.com/games/pax-e...el-110312.html
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Perhaps, but she has a point. I am not a virtue heavy person (I'm a pinn man myself) but costumes are still fun to play with a very important part of what makes me keep coming back to this game.|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
There are also thousands of combinations of pieces that are already free and available at level 1. Why are we getting bent out of shape over 1) something we haven't even seen yet, and 2) something you couldn't possibly have made a concept in your head around because you haven't seen the parts yet?
Why is it that powers that can define your character concept be ok as Incarnate only content, but costume pieces that define your character aren't? Are we venturing into "I'm ok with something as long as it doesn't affect me directly" territory? Also, using what people do on Virtue is not a good example. Those folks are crazy  |
I enjoy coming up with ways to tweak my Soviet Battle Bot's look every time new tech-pieces come out, when the mutant booster came out, I wasn't sure what I would use it for, and then when I found out, I was glad to have it from level one since i was able to make ChronoCrusade "Demon", and let's not get started on things like AE Custom Critter creation.
But maybe according to you, I'm crazy, and so is everyone in all those 'costume design' threads.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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That doesnt even make sense as a concept. So you want to look the part, but not be the part?
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Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
Okay, how about more thematically appropriate: what if they unlocked items that made you look like a pure energy being using the new glow tech or some other CONCEPT DEFINING costume piece?
Waiting till you are a mid level incarnate to unlock that signature concept look is STUPID. Maybe it is something more like what we see in that teaser image, but for some of us who play more slowly, by the time our character becomes an incarnate, radically redoing their look and concept entirely likely won't be happening. So are the devs then encouraging me to PL a character to get the costume bits that should have been there much earlier in their career? IMO, if these are NOT global unlocks--or there is not a local and global unlock price (global being say 5x the merit price or some such)--this is a horrible reward design decision. |
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Wait, so there's a level at which being an energy being unlocks for characters and you can't be the part, only look it, until then? |
Originally Posted by Seek_Trouble
That doesnt even make sense as a concept. So you want to look the part, but not be the part?
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I thought the whole point of Incarnates was that your characters ascend to the next level or whatever. Since thats the story behind it, why is it so wrong for the 'look' be locked away until you are the 'part.'
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Wait, so there's a level at which being an energy being unlocks for characters and you can't be the part, only look it, until then?
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Just throwing in my 2 cents.
I'm a confirmed costume w...aficionado. I like the addition of new TFs. I personally like the new Preatoria stuff. Yet, with regards to having costumes unlocked by doing a TF, I just don't care for it.
We are not the only competitors in the Hero MMO space and in comparison to one or the other, we're lacking in quantity. I'm not even gonna mention quality, as in my opinion, no one else comes close.
But back on track. I'm actually amazed that this was even a 'carrot'. You guys have learned enough over the years, that you are allowing costume unlocks via account such as when we buy a pack, or finally allowing Vanguard unlocks to be global for Vets. Yes, I know no one complains about the ITF costume unlocks a lot , I know I don't because it starts @ 35. I can wait a bit to have an established look while I unlock the total number of slots allowed. But Incarnate parts? Please no. You're not giving us more costume slots to design post 50 and it just reeks that 'feature', which I despise on another recent similar genred game made it over here. Look, we know who's Incarnate from the slotted icon. That's enough. I hope.
With respect to the comment made about street clothes not being 'heroic'...Well I know you guys are strapped for resources, so just say that. Don't make yourselves looks silly. A few of us have also been recently annoyed by a certain launcher snafu, so don't pile on.
Short story. We like costume parts. We are willing to pay for same , up to a point. So someone write up a justification to get the cash from corporate to get it done and buy some goodwill.
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Guys? I was AT the Meet & Greet and the panel and I don't remember ANYTHING about Incarnate-only costume pieces.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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Well thank god.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
Guys? I was AT the Meet & Greet and the panel and I don't remember ANYTHING about Incarnate-only costume pieces.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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And CoH to this point has avoided the look=loot=powers. And no reason to start. I really dislike this idea.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Well, now that you mention it....
 Seriously, it makes no sense for pieces that are supposed to graphically represent the splendor and power of the Incarnate be available to level 10s. Having certain auras and pieces available only to Incarnates would be great IMO and provide an immediate (but optional) way to show that a character has ascended. |
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Originally Posted by Vanden
Guys? I was AT the Meet & Greet and the panel and I don't remember ANYTHING about Incarnate-only costume pieces.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
Guys? I was AT the Meet & Greet and the panel and I don't remember ANYTHING about Incarnate-only costume pieces.
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I think folks are referring to this tidbit:
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12:37  Q: When everyone's an incarnate, how will people be distinguished from the masses? 12:37 Nate: Incarnate trees will continue to expand, and we'll continue to add new powersets and costume pieces as well.
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I don't see the implication that the costume pieces or new powersets will be gated at lvl 50/incarnate.
Also, thanks to whoever asked this:
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12:38Q: Any more functionality for supergroups and bases? 12:38 Nate: Definitely. 12:38 (but he can't say exactly what/when)
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That doesn't matter. What matters is that we spent time arguing about it even when the 'facts' of the matter were called into question.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
Guys? I was AT the Meet & Greet and the panel and I don't remember ANYTHING about Incarnate-only costume pieces.
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We've had appearance items as rewards for a long time now. We've had appearance items as ACTUAL LOOT for four years. I'm not sure why you believe we haven't.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
And CoH to this point has avoided the look=loot=powers. And no reason to start. I really dislike this idea.
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Someone provided the quote, but I can see how it could've been ambiguous. I was responding to the topic being brought up and voicing my opinions on the theoretical. I blame GG. |
Originally Posted by Vanden
Guys? I was AT the Meet & Greet and the panel and I don't remember ANYTHING about Incarnate-only costume pieces.
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In any case, I'll get back on topic! Stuff we've seen is cool, and I like the upcoming stuff. I hope they wind down the Praetorian focus eventually though. I don't want the next 15 issues to be Praetorian stuff at the expense of other things. But I can take it for another couple.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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The impression I got was that there are bigger threats out there than Cole and the Praetorians, and more enemies on the horizon. My impression has always been that with the Incarnate stuff, we're just playing on a much larger battlefield. Like Thanatos or Silver Surfer level threats.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
In any case, I'll get back on topic! Stuff we've seen is cool, and I like the upcoming stuff. I hope they wind down the Praetorian focus eventually though. I don't want the next 15 issues to be Praetorian stuff at the expense of other things. But I can take it for another couple.
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I will update audio later as well. I was there it was great. I was the guy that ask them questions 3 different times. Some of my questions/suggestions were on:|
Originally Posted by Nurse Midnight
I was farther back than I would have liked, the panel was pretty crowded, so the audio isn't as good as the NYCC one I did. You can read Newsarama's live coverage of the panel here:
http://www.newsarama.com/games/pax-e...el-110312.html |
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On the note of costume pieces tied to Incarnate content, my best guess is this:
Which I wouldn't actually be opposed to, as long as it's just the one set. It's just so... Well of Furies chic.
*Crosses fingers and mumbles*
Battalion, Battalion, Battalion....
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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That would rock so hard if it's the Battalion.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
*Crosses fingers and mumbles*
Battalion, Battalion, Battalion.... |
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Yeah, that's pretty cool.
I completely forgot to post a demo video of the Incarnate powers that Dr. Reverend and I took during the night of the meet and greet. They were letting attendees demo characters with the new Incarnate powers in the I20 Beta and we took one in to ICON and played around. Imagine to our surprise when we found out you can color customize them. The link is in the first post.
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Hopefully any end game costume items are appropriately bulky and garish pieces of armor, like they are in a certain new MMO. That way I won't feel like I'm missing out on anything.|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
But whether they annoy you or not is wholly irrelevant. It's not a reason to give every costume piece away. There's plenty of precedent for having costume pieces unlocked in various ways. I personally, and I don't really expect or care whether you agree with me, believe that it's more fun when SOME costume pieces are gated. The majority shouldn't be and aren't.
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Bulky and garish is definitely the way to go for end game!
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It wouldn't be appropriate endgame visual cues unless my shoulder pads are the size of War Walkers with spikes coming out every which way.
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Originally Posted by Mirai
Hopefully any end game costume items are appropriately bulky and garish pieces of armor, like they are in a certain new MMO. That way I won't feel like I'm missing out on anything.
Bulky and garish is definitely the way to go for end game! |
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DARN RIGHT!!!|
Originally Posted by Mirai
Hopefully any end game costume items are appropriately bulky and garish pieces of armor, like they are in a certain new MMO. That way I won't feel like I'm missing out on anything.
Bulky and garish is definitely the way to go for end game! |
And they should definitely give you bat wings!
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Yes, it's very odd that there were several points in the panel where it would've made sense to mention you can customize some of them (Judgment and Destiny I believe), yet they didn't.|
Originally Posted by Nurse Midnight
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
I completely forgot to post a demo video of the Incarnate powers that Dr. Reverend and I took during the night of the meet and greet. They were letting attendees demo characters with the new Incarnate powers in the I20 Beta and we took one in to ICON and played around. Imagine to our surprise when we found out you can color customize them. The link is in the first post. |
Also, something that hasn't been posted that I've seen: it might have been a slip, but at one point Nate Birkholz referred to the Well as the Well of Eternity. Maybe doesn't mean anything, but it was the first I'd heard of it and he didn't correct himself.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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And for some of us, this game is all about dressup.
Why is it that powers that can define your character concept be ok as Incarnate only content, but costume pieces that define your character aren't? Are we venturing into "I'm ok with something as long as it doesn't affect me directly" territory?
Also, using what people do on Virtue is not a good example. Those folks are crazy
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