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"Marvel is going to kill a main character every quarter"
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Posted on: 2011-02-17 16:18 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
"Marvel is not going to resurrect a main character every quarter" would make more of a impact
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Whatever the reason, necro'ing this thread is entirely apposite |
Originally Posted by Big_Soto
I just read it 2 days ago on comicvine.com that she has been dead for over 7 years now. I didnt know it has been that long.
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It was Quesada!!!|
Originally Posted by Ironik
And then Quesada? Pretty please?
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I think they are going to kill off characters that can be replaced with those comic book characters they are merging into the Marvel Universe.
We have Mystic now... I see Dr. Strange going bye bye...
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This. It's one of the biggest points of contention I have with the majority of 'cape' comics, where events will be made out of a character's death only to have them come back months later. It cheapens any emotional response given to said death, especially when a character has died two, three, a dozen times only to mysteriously "get better." |
Originally Posted by Dz131
"Marvel is not going to resurrect a main character every quarter" would make more of a impact
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Of course there's the reasoning that killing off these characters for good means that they can no longer be profited from, which is why everyone from icons to sidekicks to random mooks get brought back. They're killed, resulting in a spike in sales, they're left alone for awhile...then they get brought back, which brings in more sales. It's understandable from this point. From a storytelling point, it's a gigantic joke. Any time a character dies and is brought back through whatever means, be it magic, time travel, the favor of a cosmic being, etc., more often than not it prevents the story from going anywhere meaningful. There's simply no consequence. If you were a hero in one of these universes, you wouldn't even mourn the loss of fallen comrades, because in three months they'd be hanging around again.
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Peter David wrote this into X-factor. Siryn's father(Banshee) had been killed--when she receives the news--she laughs. She doesn't believe he's actually dead--even when there IS a body--because death and resurrection have happened so often.
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Originally Posted by Beastyle
If you were a hero in one of these universes, you wouldn't even mourn the loss of fallen comrades, because in three months they'd be hanging around again.
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haha, I remember Wolverine making a crack about this during Civil War, when the X-Men decided to stay out of the crossov- er, fighting. His response when told of this was thus: "I can't freakin' believe this! Jean'd be rolling in her grave... if she bothered to stay in it for more'n five minutes."
-STEELE =)
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The other side of that are the folks who slaughter heroes and villains left and right to make their stories "more visceral", or to create a false sense of drama because they can't do it any other way. An example being Bendis who essentially wiped out Alpha Flight in an off panel fight, or whoever was writing the new XMen post Decimation and blew up most of the now depowered mutants on a bus.
If the written deaths weren't handled so poorly, perhaps they wouldnt be so quick to reverse them.
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I don't know about that. A well done death can make a character more popular, which makes them want to bring the character back to create more sales.
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Originally Posted by Veritech
The other side of that are the folks who slaughter heroes and villains left and right to make their stories "more visceral", or to create a false sense of drama because they can't do it any other way. An example being Bendis who essentially wiped out Alpha Flight in an off panel fight, or whoever was writing the new XMen post Decimation and blew up most of the now depowered mutants on a bus.
If the written deaths weren't handled so poorly, perhaps they wouldnt be so quick to reverse them. |
"I do so love taking a nice, well thought out character and putting them through hell. It's like tossing a Faberge Egg onto the stage during a Gallagher concert." - me
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I only have a problem with this when it comes to characters they know they shouldn't kill off, or don't come back because of their abilities.|
Originally Posted by Beastyle
This. It's one of the biggest points of contention I have with the majority of 'cape' comics, where events will be made out of a character's death only to have them come back months later. It cheapens any emotional response given to said death, especially when a character has died two, three, a dozen times only to mysteriously "get better."
Of course there's the reasoning that killing off these characters for good means that they can no longer be profited from, which is why everyone from icons to sidekicks to random mooks get brought back. They're killed, resulting in a spike in sales, they're left alone for awhile...then they get brought back, which brings in more sales. It's understandable from this point. From a storytelling point, it's a gigantic joke. Any time a character dies and is brought back through whatever means, be it magic, time travel, the favor of a cosmic being, etc., more often than not it prevents the story from going anywhere meaningful. There's simply no consequence. If you were a hero in one of these universes, you wouldn't even mourn the loss of fallen comrades, because in three months they'd be hanging around again. |
Spider-Man...this is just something you don't do. Spider-Man just doesn't have the powers to not stay dead (or at least not hype it up as a Death of type of thing).
Phoenix on the other hand is a different story. She's the Phoenix! That's all about dying and coming back.
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After over 25 years of collecting I finally reached that point where I dropped all my Marvel and DC titles. Too much focus on events, what happened to the days when an event was special? Now it seems that's all Marvel and DC do anymore. Characterization and moving a hero's storyline forward has been lost. The biggest transgressor of this is Geoff Johns, specifically his Green Lantern run. It started out awesome and we learned a lot about Hal and both his worlds, then the book spiraled down into event hell, stalling Hal's personal storyline for the sake of the event.|
Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Not a fargin clue.</RomanMoroni>
And I really don't give a damn. Honestly, outside of a one or two titles (none containing an X, Spider-, Deadpool, Thor, Ultimate, or Avengers in it...YES, such titles actually exist!), I've completely stopped caring about Marvel. I think I need to just stop reading comics for a while. Just starting to get REALLY aggravated with the crappy storytelling, continuity, and push for all these pointless crossovers. The last time I burned out and stop buying comics, I stayed away almost 10 years. As such, it was really kinda nice when I came back (though the sticker-shock kinda caught me off guard). |
There are still some good books out there. I enjoyed DnA's Marvel Cosmic stuff.
Only Comic Book Series I still read is Fred Perry's Gold Digger
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I did that back in the 90's with the endless mutant wars. Meh I really got tired of Marvel's war of the month or quarter.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Illuminatis
After over 25 years of collecting I finally reached that point where I dropped all my Marvel and DC titles. Too much focus on events, what happened to the days when an event was special? Now it seems that's all Marvel and DC do anymore. Characterization and moving a hero's storyline forward has been lost. The biggest transgressor of this is Geoff Johns, specifically his Green Lantern run. It started out awesome and we learned a lot about Hal and both his worlds, then the book spiraled down into event hell, stalling Hal's personal storyline for the sake of the event.
There are still some good books out there. I enjoyed DnA's Marvel Cosmic stuff. Only Comic Book Series I still read is Fred Perry's Gold Digger |
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I'm kinda with the majority on this, with the way death works in comics (Replaced with a clone/exact duplicate, resurrected, or coming back by some weird quirk of their powers with new spiffy abilities within two months of dying) it's just not going to have any kind of impact like one would think. Heck, even COH has done it. Statesman was killed and brought back, and so was Protean, though given, he died in the comics and came back in the game.
For those holding out hope for death in comics you might want to pick up Fables from the Vertigo imprint. Given, a HUGE amount of dead characters were resurrected by magical means, but due to plot reasons they can only stay alive while living in a certain small area, but the majority of them were side characters of little import anyway, save for two or three. However, there have been two very VERY prominent deaths and neither of the characters have come back, and it's been a while (two, two and a half years). They might even be lampshading it a bit based on the fact that there's a cult that's formed that believes one of said character is going to come back and save them all from certain destruction. He hasn't, and the way things are going it doesn't seem like he will. It's certainly a very good sign for a series to actually stick to their guns on a death.
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Reminds me of how they screwed up the best scene in Wrath of Khan |
Originally Posted by Rabid_M
I don't know about that. A well done death can make a character more popular, which makes them want to bring the character back to create more sales.
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by bringing Spock back.
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It's what they do with the characters when they are resurrected that bothers me.|
Originally Posted by ebon3
Reminds me of how they screwed up the best scene in Wrath of Khan
by bringing Spock back. |
Of the big deaths, I thought they handled Superman brilliantly. I loved the whole thing and thought the four "supermen" story was terrific.
But, there should only be ONE person capable of being Batman or Captain America.
However well written those stories were or weren't, to me, replacing them the way they did cheapened the concepts behind the characters.
Even Dick Grayson shouldn't have been capable of filling those particular boots.
And the same for Bucky Barnes.
And this business about Batman franchising his name out? Oyyy..
Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick
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That, the prices and the bad writing finished me off.|
Originally Posted by TerraDraconis
I did that back in the 90's with the endless mutant wars. Meh I really got tired of Marvel's war of the month or quarter.
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From what little I hear of the new stuff, no way I would ever go back.