BreakDown is horrible for Incarnate
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Posted on: 2011-02-16 10:52 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I think the idea is to be able to break down the Component rewards from TFs into regular shards so we can change them into something else that we needed. If the breakdown was an even trade for what it takes to make them, there would be no point for each of the TFs having a different reward at the end. They would have just given us a number of regular shards instead.
Hero 1 DNA Sample Breakdown
Breaks down a common Alpha Incarnate Component into an Incarnate Shard.
They are not supposed to be equal. There is a price for everything.
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If you crafted a bunch of Components that you didn't need, you made a bad decision.|
Originally Posted by Residentx_EU
Why isn't the shards equal to what we paid for them?
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If you got the Hero 1 DNA Sample from running LGTF, then you didn't pay 4 Shards for it anyway.
Getting 1 Shard that you can use for anything is still better than having a Component that you don't have any use for.
You can exchange Vanguard Merits for Gr'ai Matter... THAT is a simple and easy way to get a shard... Granted, it is 150 Vanguard Merits, and you can only do it roughly once every 18 hours or so...
But, how many merits does one get on a Rikti Mothership Raid? 400? More?
My point is that they are worth more as it than brokendown. I encourage everyone not to break them down. This is a joke. The random shards that result is my beef...only 1?
I have all 12 slots. I need plain shards not the combined products.I'm trying to cash the notices I have. I wasted 4 good incarnate components today on this $hit breakdown.
Really, it is unreasonable to expect them to be equal to the crafting cost... and I am fine with that.
I wish you got 2 shards per component, a 50% penalty makes way more sense to me.
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Who in their right mind would even use this feature? I thought I could use it to bump me a few shards so I could cash in a notice and shift but it cost me way more. 4 shards = 1 alpha chunks. I lost 12 shards today.
Not a big deal right?
They should just remove this feature.
I'll just run the LGTF where I get 10-15 shards per run. Lesson 21,000, just because it's there doesn't mean you have to us it!
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Yeah, it really should be a 50% loss, not a 75% loss.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
I wish you got 2 shards per component, a 50% penalty makes way more sense to me.
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You're seriously not even making any sense. You lost 12 shards? What?
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Originally Posted by Residentx_EU
Who in their right mind would even use this feature? I thought I could use it to bump me a few shards so I could cash in a notice and shift but it cost me way more. 4 shards = 1 alpha chunks. I lost 12 shards today.
Not a big deal right? They should just remove this feature. I'll just run the LGTF where I get 10-15 shards per run. Lesson 21,000, just because it's there doesn't mean you have to us it! |
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
So, what you're saying is, when you break down the components you should get what you put into them, right?(sarcasm) Personally, I'm grateful for the breakdown aspect as it is; but I'll state my opinion on why the shard amount shouldn't increase.
Say for example, you need an Essence of an Incarnate, gained by shards or completing a Statesman's Task force. If that avenue is available via an easier taskforce(ex. Kahn's or Lady Grey), why would anyone even waste their time doing the STF? The way it is currently encourages diversification of task forces, rather than doing a speed run on a LGTF, breaking down your Hero 1 DNA for 4 shards, and re-combining into an Essence.
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Seriously. Be grateful the developers even added the ability to do a breakdown. Remember the old adage: Don't look a gift horse in the mouth!
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Originally Posted by Master-Blade
I think the idea is to be able to break down the Component rewards from TFs into regular shards so we can change them into something else that we needed. If the breakdown was an even trade for what it takes to make them, there would be no point for each of the TFs having a different reward at the end. They would have just given us a number of regular shards instead.
Hero 1 DNA Sample Breakdown Breaks down a common Alpha Incarnate Component into an Incarnate Shard. They are not supposed to be equal. There is a price for everything. If you crafted a bunch of Components that you didn't need, you made a bad decision. If you got the Hero 1 DNA Sample from running LGTF, then you didn't pay 4 Shards for it anyway. Getting 1 Shard that you can use for anything is still better than having a Component that you don't have any use for. |
I think the point the OP is making is .. Regardless of where the component came from.. NC SOFT expects me to use 4 shards to BUILD a Hero One DNA sample if I need one. NC SOFT expects me to spend 150 Vanguard Merits to build a Grai' Matter. BUT if I have a Hero One Dna and break it down I get ONE shard. Basically that's like saying they charge us 75% of the face value of a component if we wish to turn it into something else. Sort of a REALLY bad service fee there don't you think?
Let's say I spend 90 minutes doing an ITF and at the end, in addition to the shards I earned, I got an Ancient Nictus Fragment. Okay I don't need it for anything so I go to convert it and I get one shard for 90 minutes of my time. It's almost as bad a trade off as the exchange rate for turning INF into prestige.. "Give us 1 Million INF and we will give your SG 2000 prestige." Okay so it's not quite THAT bad ( INF to Pretige rate = 0.2%). Still getting 25% of the face value is pretty lousy and the amount you get for breaking down an uncommon is worse.. Supposedly you get 2 shards for one of those and it takes 12 shards to build one.. That's 1/6 or 16.7%.
Now I forget the payoff if you break down a Notice of the well but since the word from I-20 is to build a NOTW you need:
40 shards
100 Million in INF
5 Uncommon components which would require 60 more shards to build)
I Seriously doubt they are giving anything like that although to be honest unless they are useless for crafting anything else but the very rare for your Alpha slot why in heaven's name anyone would break one down is beyond me.
Personally I'd be happy if they even went with just a 50-50 split. I break down a common component I get 2 shards and if I break down an uncommon I get 6.
Keep in mind how many shards people need if they want to try and craft their way to a very rare.. that requires 4 Notices of the Well, not to even mention all the other components required. So based on the figures above they need 400 shards and 400 Million in INF.. JUST to make the 4 NOTWs.. then when they convert 2 of those into a Favor of the well add another 32 shards.... 432 shards + 400 Million. But you think it's perfectly okay to only get ONE shard for a common Component?
Fortunately I do the WTS every week cause if anyone thought I was planning to part with almost half a billion in INF and grind for over 400 shards to get my Notices and my Favor they'd be sadly mistaken.
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Buy an SO.
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Did you break even?
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It's completely unrelated to resale as a precedent. Which would be a stupid reason to do it since you are not dealing with a tradeabe currency.
The reason it does not give you 100% is that the different component types are supposed to encourage use of diverse TFs and if it converted easily you could get just as much by repeating.
However it should be like a common component to 2 shards, and an uncommon (8+common, no TFs involved) to 10.
A game is not supposed to be some kind of... place where people enjoy themselves!
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Originally Posted by Kheldarn
Yeah, it really should be a 50% loss, not a 75% loss.
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I found it useful last night, I admit, because the mutha-******' RNG refused to give me the 6 shards I needed. Everyone else was getting bloody Purples and shards in double figures, whereas I ONLY scraped 5 becuase we went back and killed the map of the last mission once it was already over! I then broke down the Hero 1 DNA for the last shard.
50% I can live with. 75% is just farcical.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I never meant to imply that I thought getting a single shard was fair. I just wanted to stress why the OP shouldn't have expected an "even exchange", and be grateful there is any kind of exchange available at all.|
Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy
I think the point the OP is making is .. Regardless of where the component came from.. NC SOFT expects me to use 4 shards to BUILD a Hero One DNA sample if I need one. NC SOFT expects me to spend 150 Vanguard Merits to build a Grai' Matter. BUT if I have a Hero One Dna and break it down I get ONE shard. Basically that's like saying they charge us 75% of the face value of a component if we wish to turn it into something else. Sort of a REALLY bad service fee there don't you think?
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I agree with everybody else here saying 50% would have been more reasonable, but I was only responding to the OP's question of why it wasn't equal.
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Originally Posted by Residentx_EU
Why isn't the shards equal to what we paid for them? I broke down some today and I wished I hadn't.
I broke down a 3 honoree blood samples and infinite tell and I only got 3 shards total. |
I've always agreed with the 50% camp, but as to the OP--did you not even bother reading the recipe? It SAYS it's only a 1:1 conversion. You got what you clicked.
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Originally Posted by Residentx_EU
Who in their right mind would even use this feature?
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To get the Assist Badge, I'm running the same WST many times. I'm winding up with many copies of the same component which I'll probably never use. But rather that component sitting in my Salvage forever unused, I convert it to a Shard and use it.
If that's too steep a cost for you <whatever that means> then do the TF that corresponds to the Component you need instead of the TF that doesn't give you the Component you need, OR... take the Merits.
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I coverted several items. It says 2-3 not 1.|
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I've always agreed with the 50% camp, but as to the OP--did you not even bother reading the recipe? It SAYS it's only a 1:1 conversion. You got what you clicked.
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It's a Conversion not a Breakdown!!
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Where does it say that? I've never seen that before. It's wrong, or you're looking at the wrong table. Isn't 2-3 shards the standard rate for Uncommon Salvage? Hero One DNA Sample is Common. 1:1.
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Originally Posted by Residentx_EU
I coverted several items. It says 2-3 not 1.
It's a Conversion not a Breakdown!! |
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Yup, correct.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Where does it say that? I've never seen that before. It's wrong, or you're looking at the wrong table. Isn't 2-3 shards the standard rate for Uncommon Salvage? Hero One DNA Sample is Common. 1:1.
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I agree with you a 50% loss would be acceptable. Even in real life, you can only recycle something a certain amount of times before it becomes unusable. And since every item that we craft seems to double the amount of shards needed: common 4, uncommon 8, rare (probably 16), ultra rare 32; it seems like it would be a better idea to at least get half. |
Originally Posted by Chyll
Really, it is unreasonable to expect them to be equal to the crafting cost... and I am fine with that.
I wish you got 2 shards per component, a 50% penalty makes way more sense to me. |
If this was done to make the solo players happy then the devs missed the point of their argument as they would not have the common/uncommon stuff anyways from the WSP/ lvl 50 TF's.
And on that not, why is there not a way to craft a Notice of the Well? I'm sure it's coming but I can craft the last part, but not the Notice. Though I'm sure that will be fixed when i20 comes out.
Keep in mind these are the same people that have the Inf to Prestige exchange rate the way it is.
If you're running a TF that rewards a component you don't need, you don't have to take it. Grab the merits instead. This is not hard.
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
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Originally Posted by Residentx_EU
I coverted several items. It says 2-3 not 1.
It's a Conversion not a Breakdown!! |
I quoted the text in my original response:
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Hero 1 DNA Sample Breakdown Breaks down a common Alpha Incarnate Component into an Incarnate Shard. |
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It's moot now. I won't use this in the future. I'm "wasting" my previous effort when I convert. It takes 4 shards to make it. Getting 1 back is a joke Period.|
Originally Posted by Master-Blade
As mentioned, I think you were looking at the wrong item.
I quoted the text in my original response: That does not imply anything but a single Shard. |
I converted Infinte Tessellation yesterday too. Which is 8 shards and 1 keystone(4 shards) and I only got 1 shard. WTF!
Why isn't the shards equal to what we paid for them? I broke down some today and I wished I hadn't.
I broke down 3 honoree blood samples and an infinite tell and I only got 4 shards total.