Skipping the shields on FF

I thought you were an bad player who only valued green numbers. If there are no healer AT's in this game why call them healers. I doubt anyone here is going to argue that bubblers are the best support set to have but if I advertise for support it's possible I may not have other support on the team meaning possible no heals. If I then got a bubbler without the little bubbles to reduce incoming damage I'd be dissapointed.

If you'd spent a few seconds every now and again bubbling the healer could blast more because he wouldn't have to heal so much. I've stopped playing my empath so much due to feeling useless with so many players soft capped. I'll only pull him out if the team is lacking support. On a bubbled team it's a waste of time when I could have a blaster instead.

So when you said PFF allows you to keep doing your job what you mean is it allows you to hide and let everyone else do the work while you save your backside. Nice!

Yes, you can do LR without bubbles, but they make it easier, along with everything else. You replace the bubbles with purple insps. I've done it without heals too.. I used green insps.

Two words: Heat Loss.

Also: Shutting down regen can be the equivalent of upwards of an extra 150-350 DPS against hard targets, depending on what you're fighting (AV or GM, and then there are special cases like Reichsman).

Really? My all-tank ITF team didn't have a healer.

Sorry child. I'm not the one living in the dream world.

Again, do the math.

They don't NEED a healer either fool.

Just like you don't need a tank on the MSTF (I've "tanked" tower-buffed LR on a blaster, others have done it with Warshades, etc).

Unfortunately the math doesn't support your opinion. But why let being wrong stop you?

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Because he's a troll. We've been trying to use torches to push him back under his bridge but he moves with the speed of a granite tank in a caltrop field.

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According to magicj, everyone should just use a bunch of non-disposable, time/use-limited temps. to get through everything every time.

He hasn't mentioned what you do when they run out mid-TF though...

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I'm sorry man, but if you're going to call people on making insults, don't turn around and throw them back.

My Bots/FF friend and I are sitting on a MoLRSF badge. I firmly believe that were it not for his added defense the Phalanx would have shredded us regardless of what healers are capable of.

Hell, man, why do you think people prefer to pop a cluster of purple insps rather than green ones?

Plainguy you really disappoint me. Maybe you were trying to be ironic. Dispersion bubble: mezz resistance - remember that? Deflection shield: toxic resistance - that's not some sort of resistance? Insulation shield has endurance drain resistance; I call that pretty damn good resistance, especially against carnies and malta.


This is the best quote of the thread. First, the empath or other support character with a heal power cannot always respond tactically in time to heal teammates. And, especially at the low levels where healing mitigation is mistakenly purported to outpace defense, the character can run out of endurance through repetitive heal cycles.


speaks for itself

Tell me, during an ambush, when malta appear from nowhere, what is the preferred method? The controller/dominator would use their hold power, except that they are already drained. The blaster could one-shot the sapper, but he doesn't have any end! Defense/Resistance is PRE-EMPTIVE mitigation.

I think it's a sick sick slanderous thing to say a player would rather use aid other than the two little bubbles in the FF set because healing is better.

LOL, srsly. Never call a Rad a 'Healer'. That is an insult deserving of a Forever Ignore. The accidental heal aura that Rads have is like putting a band aid on a severed limb, compared to the Phenomenal Cosmic Power of the Debuffery.

What makes this game great is the utter lack of a NEED for a 'Healer'.

Magicj needs what is known in the real world as a "Paradigm Shift."

Your reasoning and assumptions are Invalid.

You must Unlearn what you have Learned.

"I'm a radiation emission user. I have an X-Ray machine, an MRI, a defibrillator, adrenalin shots, two devices that can cripple your enemies, a giant dampening field, choking radiation gas, and this band-aid right here."

The thing is, the healers can do everything the FFer can do with their shields plus more. It's not at all difficult for a team of healers to have it so the AVs are doing no damage to the team. I've stood in the debuff clouds on a team of healers while the team took out all four AVs at the same time on the STF and took no damage doing it. In addition to that, they debuffed the AVs and buffed the teams damage.

FF just can't match that and doesn't contribute anything the team doesn't already have.

It's a generic term commonly used to refer to Empaths, Rads, Kins, Darks, Thermals, etc. I mean no offense by it and if I've offended anyone by using the term, my apologies.

You're doing it wrong. Empaths bring a lot more to a team than heals.

No, you don't stay in PFF. When you'e on the receiving end of a spike of damage, your turtle up quickly, heal your self, and come back out. It's similar to an Ice tanker with Hibernate and it adds a great deal to your survivability in tough situations. There's a video example here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gebY_SwaCWA

I'm glad we agree on something.

Seriously.

You've wandered from 'healer' to 'buffer/debuffer', you know that. I know you've defined a 'healer' as 'anyone who happens to have a heal' but seriously, in basically all cases, those are going to be buff/debuff sets with heals involved. Just call them what they are.

Also, using debuffs like that sort of ruins the who basis of the argument, since this is just between FF shields and heals, not FF shields against heals and every other debuff and buff the set has.

Also, just for laughs, go call all the sets you've defined as 'healers' that in the defender forum.

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This actually implies he's learned something at some point. Mostly he's just parroting assorted lunacies that were probably jammed into his noggin by someone at least as uninformed.

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Wow "teams full of *Insert Primary/Secondary* steamroll stuff"!

You ever see what a team of 8 forcefielders does? In complete safety no less?

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There's also the fact that debuffs are resisted to greater or lesser degrees.

Buffs aren't. Let's see a villain try to resist me putting a bubble around my tanker.

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Yes. They are all in PFF standing around looking at each other blankly because they didn't take any shields.

I LOLed!

Sums up my thoughts about this argument perfectly.

Also, notice how he wouldn't dare bring this type of argument into the other defender/controller/corrupter forums.

I wonder how the Healer > FFer argument would fare, especially in the Fender forums.

Especially during Cat Herding, er, Task Forces where it seems the vast majority of players can't grasp the concept of "stay with the group". (Or have I just been very unlucky to have everyone wander off 'til it's AV time on every single TF I've been on? :P)

Here's your problem.

[As I understand it:]
In CoX, the term 'healer' is generally used by the cognescenti (that's 'people who know what they are talking about'), as a slightly derogatory term for someone who either

doesn't know any better (ie, new to MMOs)

or

has transferred over to this game from another game (we will mention no names ), where the 'holy trinity' of "Tanker/Healer/Damage dealer" is an intrinsic and inviolable part of game design.

It is a term that implies that the person playing the 'healer' does not have enough imagination to understand that 'healing' as a primary mitigation technique is a subpar, unimaginative, and reactive strategy as opposed to a proactive solution, such as debuffs, buffs, active defense, terrain-use, etc., which strategies, in this game, are far superior in nearly every circumstance.

But that's just my understanding/opinion.