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Quote:Just out of curiosity, how would Zwilliger know? Does he handle NCSoft contract negotiations?Originally Posted by Thunder Knight
This rumor was started when someone on this very forum simply speculated on that idea, and other people ran with it and spiraled it out of control.
And, yes, there has been "official word" - Zwilliger said it's false. -
Quote:Thanks, ketch.Originally Posted by ketch
A personal thanks to you, Magic. Your wartroller guides changed the way I thought about playing my trollers a long, long time ago.
Take care out there and maybe I'll see you around.
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Well, I re-subed to try out the dark controller set, the water blasting set, and the nature affinity set. I managed to get an Ill/dark to 50 and solo the giant octo twice at level 48. But I didn't get far with water blasts or nature affinity before they announced the shut down.
So, while the boards are still up and running I wanted to stop by and wish everyone the best the future. Take care everyone. -
Quote:If by "grow up" you mean "triggered a slow, steady decline that made the game's shut down seem a question of 'when', not 'if'", I'd say that's arguable, but would probably agree.Originally Posted by Chazzmatazz
ED allowed the game to grow up and made Inventions possible.
Nerfing hammios is what made IOs possible. That's why I said "ED era" rather than just plain old ED. Hammio nerfs, AoE hold nerfs, pet nerfs, and ED all happened back-to-back of each other. Then CoV was released, which gave a short-lived bump in subs followed by a steady decline that never ended. -
Sadly... this game never recovered from all those ED-era nerfs. The writing has been on the wall for CoH for a long time. I'm impressed they lasted as long as they did. With CO on life support and my general distaste for the DCU... I guess I'm off to The Secret World. At least there I only need to invest in 1 toon and I can get all the powers in the game. If they end up canceling the game, I won't have invested years taking 30 toons to the level cap, IOing them out, etc.
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WhisperWitch - Lvl 50 Mind/FF troller
WarTroller - Lvl 50 Mind FF troller (From the days before multiple builds and unlimited respecs)
Blasting Barbie - Lvl 50 Fire/Mental Blaster
Battle-Bunny: Lvl 50 Electric/Shields Scrapper
One Hundred - Lvl 50 Grav/Sonic troller
Da Fire Tank: Lvl 50 Fire/FF troller
Heroine1: Lvl 50 Plant/Storm troller
U3berGirl: Lvl 50 Mind/Kin troller
Solid: Lvl 50 Earth/FF troller
NurseCurse: Lvl 50 Dark/Dark Defender
Gimpette: Lvl 50 Ice/FF troller
Swampette: Lvl 50 Plant/Rad troller
Becky Lou: Lvl 50 Fire/Emp troller
Generic 000700448 (formerly Cindy Von Doom) Lvl 50 Fire/Cold troller
Dream Fae: Lvl 50 Mind/TA troller
Svafa: Lvl 50 Ice/Axe Tank
Glacier Grrl: Lvl 50 Ice/Electric melee tank (basically a re-roll of Svafa)
Basement Kittah: Lvl 50 Ill/Dark troll that soloed giant octo twice in 1 day at lvl 48
SweetShade: lvl 50 WarShade
Arouse: lvl 50 Mind/Storm troller
Thyme Capsule: lvl 50 Plant/FF troller
Lux1: Lvl 50 Ill/FF troller
Lil Bot: Lvl 50 Bots/FF mastermind
Lil Brat: Lvl 50 Thugs/Dark Mastermind
LavaLass: Lvl 50 Earth/Thermal troller
Ming Die Nasty: Lvl 50 Ninja/Storm Mastermind
Lil Widow: Lvl 50 Aracnos Window
Soul Champion: Lvl 50 Peacebringer
Love Lies Bleeding: Lvl 50 Mind/Thorns Dominator
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If anyone can provide instructions for playing back a demo on the Mac, I'd b e very grateful.
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Using the NCSoft Launcher, double-click Properties.
The above sentence is from the section on playing back a demorecord file. I have no idea what the sentence means. There is no properties button or link when you startup NCLauncher. There is no Properties option in the NCLauncher menu, and settings does not allow yolu to add command line options. There is no properties option when you right-click the NCLauncher app (Mac uses Get Info and has no place to add command line options). There is no properties file in the Contents folder of either the CoH app or the NCLauncher app. -
Quote:Because the game is a broken, poorly designed MMO and rewards soloing disproportionately to teaming.Originally Posted by Supernumiphone
Why would you willingly do that to yourself.
After 130 hours of soloing an Ice/FF you'll have a 50 with 1200 merits to buy IOs. After 120 hours of teaming you'll have a 50 with nothing that needs another 100 hours of grinding to get IOs. -
Ice has next to no damage whatsoever. IO slotting for damage bonuses and procs isn't really going to change that. A 15% damage bonus on no damage is still no damage.
I got my Ice/FF to 50 in under 130 hours, and most of it was solong. The way I did it was by slotting Thunderstrikes in Chillbain (the ST Immobilize) and Block of Ice. This gives you a 14% +Accuracy bonus, which is enough to use the vet attack powers effectively. I have 3 vet attacks, Sands of Mu, Black Wand, and Nemisis Staff, but you really only need two.
Once you get to 50, you can power up the toon with incarnate attacks. Once you get a decent AoE attack, FF actually becomes a high damage toon. You can herd up groups and kill them quickly with your AoE. You can also pick up Siesmic Smash from the Earth Epic to give you good single target damage to finish things off. You can get an idea on how quickly you can finish missions by watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nml5LEtyjig The parts where I herd things up and kill them with an incarnate AoE should translate 100% to Ice/FF.
Here's a sample build for all this. It focuses on +Acc and +Recharge bonuses from IOs. In addition to the incarnate AoE, I'd recommend picking up Ageless for its +Recharge, +Recovery, and +End.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.952
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Level 50 Mutation Controller
Primary Power Set: Ice Control
Secondary Power Set: Force Field
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Stone Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Block of Ice -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(3), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 1: Personal Force Field -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(34), RechRdx-I(34), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(39)
Level 2: Chilblain -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(7), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(9), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 4: Deflection Shield -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(33), LkGmblr-Def(34), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(39)
Level 6: Arctic Air -- CoPers-Conf%(A), CoPers-Conf/EndRdx(23), CoPers-Acc/Conf/Rchg(27), CoPers-Conf/Rchg(37), CoPers-Conf(37), EndRdx-I(39)
Level 8: Aid Other -- Heal-I(A)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Ice Slick -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 14: Insulation Shield -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(33), LkGmblr-Def(33), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(40)
Level 16: Aid Self -- Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(17), Dct'dW-Heal(17), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(19), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(19)
Level 18: Super Speed -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 20: Dispersion Bubble -- HO:Cyto(A), DefBuff-I(21), LkGmblr-Def(21), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(23)
Level 22: Frostbite -- Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(A), Posi-Dmg/Rng(43), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(43), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(46), Posi-Acc/Dmg(46)
Level 24: Flash Freeze -- FtnHyp-Acc/Rchg(A), FtnHyp-Sleep/EndRdx(27), FtnHyp-Acc/Sleep/Rchg(40), FtnHyp-Sleep/Rchg(40)
Level 26: Glacier -- UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg(A), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold(29), UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg(29), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg(31), UbrkCons-Hold(31), UbrkCons-Dam%(31)
Level 28: Repulsion Field -- ExStrk-Dam%(A)
Level 30: Burnout -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 32: Jack Frost -- ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(50), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 35: Fissure -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(36), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(36), Posi-Dmg/Rng(36), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37)
Level 38: Force Bubble -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 41: Seismic Smash -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(42), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 44: Earth's Embrace -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(45), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(45), Dct'dW-Heal(45), Dct'dW-Rchg(46)
Level 47: Rock Armor -- HO:Cyto(A), DefBuff-I(48), LkGmblr-Def(48), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Detention Field -- Acc(A)
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Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(13), P'Shift-EndMod(13), P'Shift-End%(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Containment
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
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This video is Vs a rikti pylon, several AVs, and the Scrapper Challenge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfck_URQSTc
I've had a chance now to test a few different configurations of incarnate powers. For soloing AVs and such, I'd currently suggest Void as the AoE (for its -damage), Longbow as the pet (for it's range, damage, and -Regen), Ageless for the buff (for its +Recharge and +Recovery), Reactive for the debuff (for its -Resistance), and Muscular for the Alpha (For +Damage). -
This video is Vs a rikti pylon, several AVs, and the Scrapper Challenge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfck_URQSTc
I've had a chance now to test a few different configurations of incarnate powers. For soloing AVs and such, I'd currently suggest Void as the AoE (for its -damage), Longbow as the pet (for it's range, damage, and -Regen), Ageless for the buff (for its +Recharge and +Recovery), Reactive for the debuff (for its -Resistance), and Muscular for the Alpha (For +Damage). -
Quote:*/FF/Stone. My EM/Shields scrapper feels absolutely squishy in comparison. The controller has better HP and better defense vs _everything_ than the scrapper outside of "One With The Shield". And the controller has it 100% of the time with no crash.Originally Posted by Mr_Kingkillaha
Best being whatever your opinion of that is. I've had a difficult time making a controller that I like, but my new plant/psi dom is so awesome that I want to try controllers again. I do like playing support, but I'm really a scrapper at heart (I even play blasters in melee range). Based on this loose description what powers would you recommend? Will be teaming and solo.
As to the primary, Fire makes a good melee toon. Illusion/FF/Stone is the granite tanker of controllers. Plant and Mind both give you an AoE confuse power to shorten the time it takes to kill stuff.
And with all due respect to those folks suggesting Kin or Rad, you will never fully understand the definition of "squishy" until you play one of those two sets or empath.
If you want controller melee, check out this video and see for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nml5LEtyjig -
Quote:Well, first of all, you shouldn't skip over or select _any_ troller based solely on damage. Trollers are about control. Even a Fire/Kin farmer depends heavily on control. Damage can play a part in selecting a troller, but it really shouldn't be the whole story.Originally Posted by Sureshot_Liberty
This isn't the "testing forum" it's the "Player Help > Player Guides" forum. If your guide doesn't address an issue, then I think it's fair to point it out. The poster's stated intent was to let people know that they don't need to skip over Illusion b/c your test doesn't reflect real world performance.
And the tests absolutely reflect real-world performance. Great care was taken to ensure that.
What was tested was damage vs enemies with no resists or defenses. This was done so the tests aren't skewed. For example, had I tested vs robots, Illusion's damage would have been heavily sckewed lower than what appears here and the tests would have been useless.Quote:Originally Posted by Sureshot_Liberty
I know that you mentioned that you were only testing for this specific case, but I don't think it hurts for someone to reiterate that, given that a lot of people don't read too closely, and many will just skip down to your results tables, which could lead to an uninformed decision.
The explanitory information isn't caveats explaining why the tests are invalid to other situations, they explain how the tests can be expanded for accurate use in other situations. -
Quote:It's an unsubstaniated claim because it hasn't been tested. I have no doubts that Illusion can kill low level minions quickly. _Everything_ can kill low level minions quickly. But to determine if Illusion is substantially better at it than other sets, you need to test.Originally Posted by MisterD
Why is it an unsubstantiated claim? I have an ill troller..I can confirm that killing single 'easier' targets is very fast, like Local Man states. Not that I have done any DPS calculations or anything, but he makes a fair point. And the fact you dont acknowlege it, just because you feel it does not fit in with your testing, while fair enough, doesnt make his post any less true.
It's a test that I'm not going to do because I consider it a trivial activity. But others are free to run those tests if they wish. -
Quote:I pretty much agree. Soloing AVs and pylons and such is a good way to test what your toon can do, but it's not an efficient way to kill AVs. And since AVs have different rules for beating them than almost everything else in the game, the ability to solo AVs isn't even a good reflection on the abilities of the toon in general. But it is nice to know you can do it if the team needs it.Originally Posted by plainguy
But it is nice to see someone other then a tank, scrapper, brute, or trapster soloing the big guys. Plus by today's standards that is a long fight. Kudos for just wasting your time trying to do this. I soloed the 2 AVs in the Incarnate missions on my Robot Traps before understanding the whole non AV setting options ( now when I do those missions I am set to -1 /1 no AVs regardless of the toon I am using). It was painfully slow. Afterwards I was annoyed because in my mind I was thinking I could have done 3 missions in the time spent wasting fighting those 2 AVs.
But I will chime in for my video where I solo Shadowhunter. That video shows how to clear an entire mission. If you want to see how a WarTroller solos, that's the video to watch. The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nml5LEtyjig -
*) Started new "Who WIll Die" TF.
*) 2/3s of my powers disappeared.
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WhisperWitch Vs. Shadowhunter
Here's a 4th video, this one vs Shadowhunter. It includes a high speed recording of the entire timed mission, to give an idea how the Mind/FF WarTroller build works vs things other than AVs. This mission settings include:
● Player equal to 4 players
● Bosses
● AVs
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WhisperWitch Vs. Shadowhunter
Here's a 4th video, this one vs Shadowhunter. It includes a high speed recording of the entire timed mission, to give an idea how the Mind/FF WarTroller build works vs things other than AVs. This mission settings include:
● Player equal to 4 players
● Bosses
● AVs
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Quote:Ah, thanks for the tip. My Ill/FF has the power, so I'll be able to test it once I finish getting her incarnate powers.Originally Posted by EJI
According to my in-game description, the radial side of the Void tree 'significantly reduces the damage of affected targets for a short time'. I'm not sure if it's enough to make a significant difference in an AV fight. I don't believe -dam is resisted by AVs.
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Quote:The question was about soloing, not whether or not the win was impressive.Originally Posted by Tenzhi
It's the same as the difference between Batman and Batman with a Green Lantern power ring.
The more the importance of the AT and Primary/Secondary powersets is diminished, the less impressive the victory becomes as it's no longer a victory for the character but rather a victory for extraneous powers.
What's impressive and what's not is subjective. You'll never convince me that buying +recharge from the store and having the perma unkillable pets do all the work while the controller hides behind a pillar is impressive. Never. My own definition of impressive involves risk. How much risk is the player presented with and how well does he deal with that risk. But I freely admit, it's my own definition.
Soloing, on the other hand, is pretty cut and dry. If you're the only player there, you're soloing. That's the _definition_ of soloing. -
Quote:I haven't done any detailed testing with envenomed dagger. I've used it from time to time in groups and didn't notice that it had much of an effect on the time it takes to kill the AV.Originally Posted by EJI
Have you tried this with envenomed dagger? How much faster does it go, and will one temp power last thru an AV fight?
Haven't tried that yet with incarnate pets. The toon is capable of tanking even con AVs, but I don't know if the incarnate pets can kill them before they expire.Quote:Originally Posted by EJI
What about an even-con (not -1) AV?
I have done it with the confuse a boss method and it works. The boss scales up in level along with the AV.
Not using incarnate pets, no. I just got them.Quote:Originally Posted by EJI
Tried any bigger game?
Works fine. Nightstar uses energy attacks, so that should give you an idea. The lowest defense I have against any type of attack is 26%. That plus being at the HP cap and being able to heal inside PFF makes the toon very hard to kill.Quote:Originally Posted by EJI
I didn't watch long enough to look at your build, how well do you fare against non-s/l AVs?
No. For her I think the confuse a boss method would work better than the incarnate pets method.Quote:Originally Posted by EJI
Will the taunt stop Dominatrix from running?
Haven't tried it but if I remember correctly, AVs resist -ToHit debuffs.Quote:Originally Posted by EJI
While it may not match the dmg of pyronic, void might be useful to cut incoming dmg. Any thoughts/experience with this? -
Quote:The first two videos I posted both contain shots of the builds and slotting used. They're at the end of each video.Originally Posted by _UJ_
Ya, this thread inspires me to want to make one of these, now just need to make a build, I saw the one posted in this thread that Boomie posted, I will probably use that as a starting point on what I need to slot for, but I care more about tanking for a team with this combo, so I will probably use earth mastery if that is better for tanking? And ya I will just tank if there is no tanker, but I think it would be fun to tank on a controller :P
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Quote:You can be the main tank.Originally Posted by _UJ_
Damn, that is very impressive, grats. Quick question though, just out of curiosity, can you be the main tank on teams for missions or TFs? Or is this build just mainly for soloing?
For taking the alpha, you have several choices:
* Super Speed + Fissure as an opener.
* AoE control as an opener.
* Raise PFF, dive into pile, alpha goes off, drop PFF, hit them with control as an opener.
* With decent ranged defense + Dispersion Bubble going, use Provoke as opener. I often jump to the back of the group when doing this so that all the baddies that are aggroed on me turn around 180 degrees. This makes it easy to see where I'm missiing aggro.
Different varients of a WarTroller have additional options. Ill/FF can open with PA. Plant/FF can open with Creepers.
Once the fight gets going, use controls to lock down as much as possible and Provoke to keep misc aggro on you.
I've tanked for teams many times with my WarTrollers. I just haven't captured in on video yet as I'm more concerned with keeping the team safe than running video. Soloing I can take my time and get everything set up the way I want it.
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I just wanted to add my usual caveat and say a Tanker is always the best tank. The only time I tank for teams is when the tanker dies, or there just is no tanker. When there's a tanker there, I play the Controller role. -
Quote:Risk.Originally Posted by MisterD
Ok..it is your opinion. In mine, I hardly see how an ill troller getting a few extra rech is somehow less impressive than you using incarnate pets.
With perma unkillable pets grabbing aggro from the AV, the Illusionist faces almost zero risk. With the WarTroller way, the controller is taking the full brunt of the attack from the AV (or pylon, or whatever is being soloed).