Either buff Swift or nerf Hurdle

No. Sprint's 0.1 buff translates to 10% of base jump height, less than .5'. That 0.06 provided by Hurdle, however, equates to a 166.8% increase, effectively almost tripling jump height at level 50. Hurdle's JumpHeight buff is almost as high as Combat Jumping's (200%).

Modifiers matter. Sprint uses Melee_Ones, Hurdle uses Melee_Leap.

Yes. It's even better when I'm actually on my character, a lost teddy bear, to do that.

The powers are fine. Hurdle's bonus to jump speed is balanced by the lack of control. Without using an additional power, you can't stop instantly, change direction instantly, reach top speed instantly or even turn effectively, as opposed to running.

It would of been better to just make these things as new travel powers or as alternate animations to the horrid animation SS has but I guess making us pay for stuff is good too.

You're better off emailing this to the devs. The forums do not take criticism well.

Eh, after being caught in caltrops, earthquakes, ice slicks and quicksands, you kind of get why jumping is so good...because it can easily be negated by a patch while running is always good.

You can slot for -movement resists but not for -jump.

Nah, I don't want to have to pick up SS to run different. I'd probably agree to making them simple inherents that you can choose between as well as alternate animations for movement powers, but currently we cannot customize pools so...

All my characters with jump based travel powers take hurdle, including my namesake character and they all can skip about town. My comment was more of what I've been told by others seeing an 7 1/2 foot tall Santa skipping inside of missions.

Break your space bar jumping all the time?

As would my Dwarf Form Peacebringer.

Buff Swift, nerf Vanden

Fix'd.

Yes, it is.

Always has been. Is now. And always will be. TheEnd.


Sorry you don't like it being used in this game. But to get rid of inconvenience-as-a-balancing-factor, the entire power mechanics would have to be gutted and rebuilt from the ground up.

That's the way it is.

And "nerf something because I don't think it's fair" isn't?

All other things being equal, running should be faster than jumping.

But, more friction!

Great post, but you should have just said to buff.

There are lots of people who are desperate to find any post they can rebut, so any excuse will do. Encountering attitudes like so makes me want to go into some sort of confrontational analysis of what it says about human cultures but let's not get into that.

Suffice to say that if the game had equal run and jump and somebody suggested to make it as it is now, nobody would support that, so it's not any better an idea just because it's status quo.

It doesn't make any kind of sense or balance for the base run speed to be higher than the base jump ability and it's only that way because the powers were made to be alternative choices rather than inherent.

In fact they did buff run speed just 1 issue prior through sprint. It'd make tons of sense to take some of that and transfer it to inherent fitness instead, with intent to keep the sprint speed the same as it is now, but make the base run and jump of equal speed.

The one reason I would oppose it might be choice. Base run speed is already near the border of where it gets so fast that it can be hard to control with precision. I'd support it if swift were faster with some kind of startup, but its current speed during the first 2 seconds of running.

If I were to rewrite your suggestion I'd make it "increase swift speed to be equal to hurdle but only after 2 seconds of running"

The way I see it, altough I love the inherent Fitness pool, now I HAVE to take Hurdle and I find it to be a pain, even unslotted. Why is that? Because..... I had it perfectly figured out how far I needed to be away from something to land on it.

NOT ANYMORE! Now I am leaping all over the place like some latter day rabbit on steroids, even with Hurdle unslotted. This is most noticeable in missions such as Trapdoor's, where I have to jump down twenty vents in the floor to progresss through the map - and in a tight space, at that.

I'd be fine with nerfing Hurdle and buffing Swift. People who SJ are way too catered-to in this game and Flight needs a little love. For people who love to jump, their stuff has no downsides. Can Flight say the same? We all know the answer.

I picked up on re-aligning my jumps pretty quick, in all fairness. There were a few times I manages to get my team to laugh at my failure to control my character though.

Nalrok Ath'Zim: ((Alright, going in))
*sails clear over the group and pulls two others*
Nalrok Ath'Zim: ((Oh right, Hurdle))
Ring Mistress has defeated Nalrok Ath'Zim.