Either buff Swift or nerf Hurdle

Tell me about it.

Me: Buff this or nerf that!
Strawman: No! No nerfs ever! You're wrong!
Me: I said nerf OR buff.
Strawman: NO NERFS! DEAL WITH IT!

Unless it's off the edge of a building

But very marginally since jumping gets additional acceleration from the peak of it's jump.

Only if assuming the apex of the jump is precisely the height of the edge of the building. Otherwise Jumping gets additional acceleration time. (also assuming the apex of the jump is before the edge of the building so that they're at about the edge of the building when they leave the edge. If the jumper only jumped when they reach the edge running gets a head start in falling, and thus hits first.)

/minmax

The jumper didn't maximize it's position, it should have jumped before reaching the edge! c.c

True, and I should have checked the exact modifier - I was tired and not paying attention to the exact modifier, and assumed both used Melee Ones. Either way, I still end up using Sprint to make jumps that I otherwise couldn't, especially at low levels to make the jump from one level to another when your base jump height isn't quite enough to make it there. At the same levels, Hurdle didn't allow me to make the jump but offered a great deal more horizontal speed while jumping, which is why I made the assumption.

So there is still a toggle you get for free to help you jump higher, plus Combat Jumping which I almost always take for the immobilize protection, low endurance cost, and LotG mule slot.

Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.

Originally Posted by Brillig It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.

The runner didn't maximize their position, they never should have been on a rooftop to begin with! >.>

Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle it has gone from unconscionable to downright appalling that we have no way of measuring our characters' wetness.

Originally Posted by Brillig It's hard to beat the entertainment value of Whackjob Wednesdays.

Sure, go tell that to those contacts in Imperial City who decided that the rooftop is a good spot to lounge.

Are you talking about the jump height buff? Because the point of contention is the jump speed buff.

Actually, I'd say the jumper should jump *off* the edge of the building, i.e. using the corner edge as a launching point angled downward rather than upward.

As for the whole 'running should be faster than jumping', isn't running just jumps that don't have as high an upward velocity? Every time the foot hits the ground, you're basically 'jumping' from that planted foot into the air onto the other foot a short distance ahead of you.

Vs jumping, it'd depend what kind of jump you're doing and what kind of running your doing. The runner could 'accelerate' better...if you're trying to accelerate, you increase the stride while keeping/increasing pace. To launch into the air takes more spring in the stride resulting in a 'burst' of speed past the smaller stride of a runner without the same ability to keep/continue acceleration.

If that was all mental gibberish bleeding out on my keyboard, what I'm thinking is, the initial spring from a running jump is faster than simply running up until deceleration in the air occurs but even running will result in deceleration between strides just like leaping would.

But then mechanics can play a role too. Take a cheetah: there are points in their stride where none of their four feet touch the ground which could mean springing makes you faster than running (cheetah's strides are over 20ft, mind you). Or perhaps the kangaroo: their spring can go over a person from a stand still and most likely higher with speed. Higher speeds equals higher jumps and the mechanics of their legs most likely makes use of momentum to achieve extreme top speeds that translate into longer distance.

I think it was a problem but less noticable before. For one thing not everyone had fitness. For another, a lot of people like me, took either Swift or Hurdle, to get access to health and stamina, I think not that many people took both. It's only now that everyone has both of them that the issues in their relative speed are really obvious.

And they are.