I am so nooooob, I can't even handle the tutorial!


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Ok, I am a trial 7-day player. BEFORE I decide to subscribe, here are several questions.

1) If I supposedly made my toon a stalker, isn't she supposed to be a villain? What is she doing helping the cops like Officer Flint in Praetoria in the tutorial? Are free trial players forbidden from starting out in the villain area? Will I be able to change alignments?

2) Also, I can't seem to rescue those hostages because there are too many of them & I am only one!

3) Where is "Praetor Duncan", so I can talk about advancement points? I just turned lvl 2!

4) I joined the "resistance". Will there be a point where I can join them instead of the "loyalists"? Which brings me back to #1: Will I be able to change alignments?


 

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Originally Posted by freewaydoggy View Post
Ok, I am a trial 7-day player. BEFORE I decide to subscribe, here are several questions.

1) If I supposedly made my toon a stalker, isn't she supposed to be a villain? What is she doing helping the cops like Officer Flint in Praetoria in the tutorial? Are free trial players forbidden from starting out in the villain area? Will I be able to change alignments?

2) Also, I can't seem to rescue those hostages because there are too many of them & I am only one!

3) Where is "Praetor Duncan", so I can talk about advancement points? I just turned lvl 2!

4) I joined the "resistance". Will there be a point where I can join them instead of the "loyalists"? Which brings me back to #1: Will I be able to change alignments?

1. The 1st time you access the game now, it starts you in Praetoria. After that, any character you make will have a choice of the 3 starting points (Hero, Villain, Praetoria)

2. Hostages in the tutorial? Not sure what you are looking at.

3. After you talk to Calvin Scott ( if you joined Resistance) or Marchand ( if you joined Loyalists) you exit through the door behind them. When you zone into the open world, she is right in front of you.

4. As a member of the Resistance, you are working undercover. You will have options to switch back and forth through Praetoria.


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So, from your questions, I infer you have Going Rogue.

1> In CoV (where the Stalker originated), it is indeed a villain, and the tutorial
is a "Break out of the Zig Prison" scenario.

However, in Praetoria, you can start with any AT, so a traditional hero or
villain motif doesn't make as much sense. To me, Praetoria seems mostly
degrees of evil, regardless of which side you play for. In that setting,
I'd think of a Stalker as a freelance "fixer" type of role.

2> with Stalkers (esp before you get AS and Placate), managing aggro is
the trick to survival. The old adage "Divide & Conquer" is your lifeline. If
you draw too much aggro, don't be shy about getting out of Dodge - the
AI will forget about you soon enough. If you're alive, you can always go back.

3> Praetor Duncan should be on your map (you may need to zoom it in). I
believe she's in the Main Square of the very First Zone (Nova Praetoria)


Hope that helps, and welcome to the game.


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thanks, guys, but now I forgot where I left the underground from! I got the stupid hostage mission from that Praetor White guy! Damn now I am in deep $#!*!!!! After 2 x of getting killed from not knowing how to maneuver that stupid hostage situation, I don't know WHAT to do! Oh well, my time will be up soon enough,...
How do I get back to where I went to from talking to Calvin Scott, anyway?

UPDATE: Ok, I got it, but I wish I could lvl faster & when I opened the gift w/ the stupid frostlings, or whatever, they killed me!


 

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Originally Posted by freewaydoggy View Post
Ok, I am a trial 7-day player. BEFORE I decide to subscribe, here are several questions.

1) If I supposedly made my toon a stalker, isn't she supposed to be a villain? What is she doing helping the cops like Officer Flint in Praetoria in the tutorial? Are free trial players forbidden from starting out in the villain area? Will I be able to change alignments?
Yes. With the introduction of the new Going Rogue expansion ALL new accounts are required to start off in Praetoria on their first character. After getting your first character thru the tutorial you should be able to create either a straight Hero or Villain.

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2) Also, I can't seem to rescue those hostages because there are too many of them & I am only one!
If you're having too much trouble you can ask for help from anyone else in the tutorial. It's also possible that the stalker playstyle may not be right for you as a new player. Each archetype plays differently and there's no shame in deciding that you may be able to play a Stalker later on when you have more experience playing the game.

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3) Where is "Praetor Duncan", so I can talk about advancement points? I just turned lvl 2!
Once you get thru the tutorial and get to Nova Praetoria open your contact list and select Praetor Duncan and then simply follow your nav right to him. You'll be told exactly how far away you are and what direction you have to follow.

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4) I joined the "resistance". Will there be a point where I can join them instead of the "loyalists"? Which brings me back to #1: Will I be able to change alignments?
In Praetoria you don't have a definate alignment yet, but you will be able to change between Loyalist and Resistance factions each time you get a morality mission. Once you hit level 20 you will have to decide if you want to be a Hero or a Villain.


 

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thanks, guys, but now I forgot where I left the underground from! I got the stupid hostage mission from that Praetor White guy! Damn now I am in deep $#!*!!!! After 2 x of getting killed from not knowing how to maneuver that stupid hostage situation, I don't know WHAT to do! Oh well, my time will be up soon enough,...
How do I get back to where I went to from talking to Calvin Scott, anyway?
To find the entrance/exit to the Underground just open your map and you will see the Loyalist and Resistance symbols. Click on the symbol you are currently aligned to and follow your nav to that location.

To return to Calvin Scott open your contact list and click on him and follow your Nav back to him.


 

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To find the entrance/exit to the Underground just open your map and you will see the Loyalist and Resistance symbols. Click on the symbol you are currently aligned to and follow your nav to that location.

To return to Calvin Scott open your contact list and click on him and follow your Nav back to him.
Actually Calvin Scott is in Underground Neutropolis. He's reachable by phone. You can't go back to him in the Tutorial section, that's gone once you zone out.


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This isn't necessarily helpful, but I hated every second of Praetoria aside from the Bobcat mission chain. That was fun. The rest...? Let me put it like this: My friends and I rolled a team of Praetorians because we wanted to have a mixed team of defenders, brutes, etc. We got them to 19. At that point we decided, "F*** this," deleted the character, rerolled them as normal heroes and villains, and powerleveled them to 20 so we could do tips to bring all our characters to one side. It wasn't necessarily the difficulty (though I still think the Praetorian Clockwork were insanely hard in larger groups considering the level range) so much as it was incredibly un-fun for us. It wasn't boring, it just wasn't fun. Now, different strokes for different folks and all that... I know some people love Praetoria and I'm very happy that they got the chance to experience it.

What I'm getting at is that it's sort of wrong to force new players into this, I think Praetoria works much better for those that have experienced either CoV or CoH first.

In a way it reminds me of the completely-optional old Positron Task Force. The very first TF in the game used to take forever and was a pain in the butt. I remember at least one friend cursing me out for asking him to join - not the TF, but the game itself - because if that was how the rest of the TFs were then he wanted to no part of the game.


tl;dr version: The first character on a new account with Going Rogue (or a trial) should not be forced into Praetoria. Give them the choice! After all, if a person on a free trial decides they like the game and decide to start paying for it they may receive a rude awakening when they see that they can't play their Praetorians unless they purchase Going Rogue as well.

Edited to add: New players should take all this crap as just my opinion, of course. If I didn't enjoy the game I wouldn't be paying for it. It's a fantastic game with an even better community.


 

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Make sure your map is active. click "M" if it is not. Unlike a lotta other mmo's (who I wont name to avoid post deletion hehe) this game allows you 'waypoints' like a flight sim sending you to one objective after another. Click Preator Duncan on the map and create your own waypoint. go to her and level up before bothering to do White's mission.

Go to the vendor and buy only accuracy enhancemnts for now. Slot them in your powers. Click Enhancements (an option on the power trays... lower right) click to manage them. Put in accuaracy to your attacks.

Manuvering... Not sure what you mean by that... CoH is a lot more user friendly then most. If it's physical it may be that whatever game you were used to before made strafe left and right Q and E and turn left and right A and D which I got used to right away comming from FPS games anyway... as CoH uses the default choices from such first person shooter games. Other mmo's I noticed always made me growl and grumble and go into control options and switch them to FPS/CoH Q and E turn and A and D strafe mode. If you've come fresh from them to here your fingers may be doing the opposite of what this gme wants and using "almost every other mmo's unnatural choice of turn and strafe" commands. In that case either practice it to get used to it or hop into control options screen from the menu in your upper right window and change those controls to ones your more used to.

That first darn mission. I don't recal if that's the hostage release tne to the roof via the door marked with stairs and rescue the main named hostage or if it's the rescue cops from the sewers one. Both have trick and the office one is definitly easier.

I don't recal having to escort anyone in the office building one. They are or were mercifuly "Rescue and release" style hostages... that but If it's been changed that you are then functioning with "Non combative walk my dumb npc outta this mission or to an objective" mob AI. CoH escort mobs are generaly dumb. They need you to moove slow or you risk loosing them. Also they can't see you if your stealthed... at all. Now your on a Stalker running hide and my fav character runs Dark Miasma's area coverage stealth... Guess what we both have to do just to escort them? That's right. Yah gotta turn off the offending toggle stealth power. (something I wish the De'vs would adress since doing this hurts our defences vs any ambushes on the way... although I can see why a regular joe/jane couldn't see somebody super invisible. Catch 22 I guess.) If this is the mission with the office workers and one MORE hostage on the roof... I say MORe because he wont even spawn btw unless youve rescued all his fellows below. Then I'm pretty sure you just rescue him and wail on the named foe up there an you are done. They wall the place such that you can't even fall off the roof. So that's pretty safe. If your functionaly having trouble 'moving' it's likely key choices are not what your flying fingers are used to as mentioned above.

The sewer Escort though... That's gotta be the Keystone Cop rescue from the sewers. If I recal that mission the only cop that matters for getting him out alive is the Seargent dude. I don't even recal being given a special badge or making any extra herobucks saving all of them like I did on my Dark misamist. (yay AoE heal) Also these are what I call "Battle-escorts" which may or may not mind you keeping your stealth on. I think these didn't mind but I might be wrong. It's been a while since I did them on the Dual Pistols/Dark Miasma corruptor (which started Loyal then went resistance and then Hero when out of Preatoria... also a Originaly Villian AT like your Stalker) As for the mission... It's doable but they get caught on things. Particularly that long stairway with the rail. Grr.... That is in no way your fault. Everyone has trouble with those jokers on the stairs. If it's not the Sarge... just leave them behind. There's nothing you can do for them that doesn't involve PURE LUCK.... so unless you have the patience of a yoga master just leave em.

Most importantly I would say, don't do that misson alone. It's doable but fustrating. Ghouls are a pretty rough mob for those early levels... More terrifying then Vaz zombies if you start hero side.

Mainly make the controls what you feel will suit you via switching control options and religiously use the map and waypoint system. Don't forget to set your active mission just in case some other misson thinks it's the active one and you get to your planned door to get the message "Complete your active mission" first before doing this message. hehe

Good luck and also if your new, I'd offer this... Be sure your on one of the more active servers so you will at least be someone there to answer a quick call for help/advice in Broadcast channel. The command "/whoall" will show you who is in a zone and not in a hidden state. I'd suggest Freedom as the other big server is nice but has a lot of roleplayers and some of them strict in their roleplayin'. They might not answer unless you phase it like your character is asking the question.

Cheers!


 

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What server are you on? I can come hold your hand for a bit to guide you through the dangers of Praetoria
I am on the "Protector" server, I believe. & RogueDemonhunter, I am a free trial player, & I am not even sure that I will sub to this game. I wish they would have an extended free version! I can't even chat in anything but say & I can only private chat ppl who I have added as friends. But the stupid trial is not beyond 7 days & as I said, I don't know that I will stick around.


 

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The reason why Trial accounts have so many restrictions is because they were being misused by gold sellers and power levelling services.


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I am on the "Protector" server, I believe. & RogueDemonhunter, I am a free trial player, & I am not even sure that I will sub to this game. I wish they would have an extended free version! I can't even chat in anything but say & I can only private chat ppl who I have added as friends. But the stupid trial is not beyond 7 days & as I said, I don't know that I will stick around.
I highly recommend you restart your stalker as a villain. The missions are much more straight-forward and easier for new players in the Rogue Isles. I recommend doing the tutorial (it's different for villains) as it's an easy way to get to 2nd.

Once you upgrade and can talk and send tells and make friends the game gets a lot better.

I have characters on Protector who could help you but I have no idea how we could possibly hook up while you are on a trial account and can't answer tells. However, if you find anyone and tell them in local that you are a trial account and need help I'm guessing 90% of us would fall over themselves to help you.


 

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I highly recommend you restart your stalker as a villain. The missions are much more straight-forward and easier for new players in the Rogue Isles. I recommend doing the tutorial (it's different for villains) as it's an easy way to get to 2nd.

Once you upgrade and can talk and send tells and make friends the game gets a lot better.

I have characters on Protector who could help you but I have no idea how we could possibly hook up while you are on a trial account and can't answer tells. However, if you find anyone and tell them in local that you are a trial account and need help I'm guessing 90% of us would fall over themselves to help you.
How do I get the choice to start as a villain on the trial version? I had no choice. The game only told me "You start out as a Pratorean", so I could not start out as a villain as I wanted to. I really need a longer trial. I wish there was a way to play this w/o having to pay every single month!


 

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How do I get the choice to start as a villain on the trial version? I had no choice. The game only told me "You start out as a Pratorean", so I could not start out as a villain as I wanted to. I really need a longer trial. I wish there was a way to play this w/o having to pay every single month!
It forces all new accounts to start their FIRST character in Praetoria. After that you can start new characters in any of the three zones (Hero, Villain, Praetorian).

So you'd just create a new character and pick villain instead of hero or praetorian if you want to have another stalker. Go into the tutorial and you'll come out as a level 2. The Hero and Villain tutorials are more straightforward than the praetorian one and in my opinion the starting missions and enemy groups are much better for new players. The praetorian enemies are a significant increase in difficulty over the standard hero/villain ones; in praetoria you face mobs of a difficulty level you'd expect to find in the 30's or 40's heroside as a level 1-5 character.

In short the early levels are much more forgiving hero and villain side than they are in praetoria. It really seems to me that "yellow side" is designed for veteran players who know the game backwards and forwards and want more of a challenge with their new characters. For someone just starting out it can be brutal.

If I can make a suggestion, you may want to create a new Scrapper hero to learn on; a scrapper has great damage output so you'll kill things fast and it has enough durability to be forgiving of beginner mistakes while you're learning the game. It's very straightforward as well, you run up and smack the bad guy upside the head, then smack his buddies. Also, there are considerably more players hero side than villain side. When you leave the tutorial go to Atlas Park and say you're a new player on a trial account... you'll probably have several people willing to help you and show you the ropes.

Welcome to the game, many of us have been here for several years so there must be something right about COH to keep us playing year after year.


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How do I get the choice to start as a villain on the trial version? I had no choice. The game only told me "You start out as a Pratorean", so I could not start out as a villain as I wanted to.
As i recall, only the first character has to start as a Praetorian. You can make up 12 characters on any server.
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I really need a longer trial.
i'm pretty sure you can sign up for multiple trials.

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I wish there was a way to play this w/o having to pay every single month!
There isn't since the monthly fee is what pays for keeping the servers running and the addition of new content. That's why the client is basically free and you can sometimes find game boxes/codes that cost less than $15 despite coming with a free month of gameplay.

Keep in mind that trial account are limited to level 14 and you can easily reach that in a day or less when on a good team, so feel free to make and try new characters.


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I'll also put in my two cents. I played many a trial account that started in Praetoria, and it really is more difficult than the regular Hero and Villain starting areas.

I routinely got thrashed by Ghouls if I tried to stand and fight, regardless of AT and powersets, and I somehow managed to get killed by the first group of enemies in Praetor White's first mission while I was playing an Earth/Earth Dominator (and that was hardly my first character, or even my first Dominator). A similar Earth/Earth Dominator in Mercy Isles was much easier to raise.

Keep in mind that, as a Stalker, you don't have to fight everything that moves, especially in the tutorial. Just Hide and run past anything you don't need to fight.

Maybe try a less fragile and more straightforward AT for your first character, like a Brute or Tanker? (Then again, my first two characters were a Blaster and a Mastermind, so I might not have room to talk)


 

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Thanks guys, I hate Pratorea too, so I deleted that char, & made a new stalker. This one is working for Arachnos, but I imagine it would be more fun to do the freelance missions w/ the newspapers, right? I might make my next girl a brute.


 

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Well CoV side is a mix of story arcs and newspaper missions that will give you a contact (3 missions + a bank job will unlock a choice of contacts).

The CoH side of things was originally structured as a series of contact chains that may have a story arc or not, the police scanner (CoH version of the Newspaper) was added later to provide a way to get short missions on demand.


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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
Once you get thru the tutorial and get to Nova Praetoria open your contact list and select Praetor Duncan and then simply follow your nav right to him. You'll be told exactly how far away you are and what direction you have to follow.
I think you might need to change your graphics settings if you think Duncan is a "him". And I'm surprised the rampant didn't catch it.




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Originally Posted by freewaydoggy View Post
How do I get the choice to start as a villain on the trial version? I had no choice. The game only told me "You start out as a Pratorean", so I could not start out as a villain as I wanted to. I really need a longer trial. I wish there was a way to play this w/o having to pay every single month!
Well, I seriously doubt that what anyone tells you will change your mind. I just wanted to chime in and mention that this game is better than every single 'free' MMO out there that I have seen so far. The trial is VERY restricted in this game; which is rather frustrating when I try to show friends this lovely MMO.


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I think you might need to change your graphics settings if you think Duncan is a "him". And I'm surprised the rampant didn't catch it.
Meh I'm still not used to the new names yet. I keep thinking of them as their Paragon City names.


 

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This one is working for Arachnos, but I imagine it would be more fun to do the freelance missions w/ the newspapers, right?
The newspaper missions are basically one shot fillers to help players between levels when they run out of regular content. If that's what choose to play you will find yourself repeating the same missions over and over.

Now if you like the challenge of the timed Mayhem missions, you'll have to do the paper missions to unlock them. As you level you'll see that the Mayhem missions send you to different areas where you'll face different opponents.

Atlas Park 5-10 Skulls
Kings Row 10-15 Clockwork
Skyway City 15-20 Trolls
Steel Canyon 20-25 Family
Ind. Port 25-30 Council
Talos Island 30-35 Freakshow
Brickstown 35-40 Crey
Founders Falls 40-45 Devouring Earth
Peregrine Isle 45-50 Knives of Artemis


 

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Well, when do I get the paper missions? I just started a new toon, she's a brute. I just lvl'd her to 8, but so far it was first that Burke guy, then he sent me to Dr. Creed. She could not get out of that 1st diseased guy mission alive though. It's just fighting snake ppl, diseased ppl, & gangs, and depending which side you're on, Arachnos, gets rather tiresome. It frustrates me that my toons can't mug a citizen, I thought you could.


 

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You can start paper missions as soon as a character reaches level 5 and leaves Mercy Island.

Take the ferry (It's marked on your map) to Port Oakes and you'll be given either Mikey the Ear or Drea the Hook as your broker contact for that zone. Go to the Broker and he will unlock the Newspaper contact. Then just choose one of the three paper missions.

Every few paper missions you'll have to return to the broker to get a Mayhem mission. At that time you can choose to do it or decline and continue more paper missions.