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Exactly why I am going with Cardiac for pretty much every tank I make.|
Originally Posted by Golden_Ace
boy with Cardiac I never have to worry about end at all.
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I think I will be going Spiritual on only two tanks.Recharge on the Shield so I can get Energize closer to perma. Plus the heal will make Enegrize heal for more. I am thinking of going this way on the Fire/Fire to get Healing Flames up faster and again heal for more.
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You will have to let me know how that works. I have an old Fire/Em/Fire that I shelved when they put fear in burn. Thinking of bringing him back out and see how he plays.
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Originally Posted by Airhammer
Exactly why I am going with Cardiac for pretty much every tank I make.
I think I will be going Spiritual on only two tanks.Recharge on the Shield so I can get Energize closer to perma. Plus the heal will make Enegrize heal for more. I am thinking of going this way on the Fire/Fire to get Healing Flames up faster and again heal for more. |
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Jump on board this train. My thinking as well. My ice/SS runs with tough & weave and sometimes the darkest night toggle. If I am smashing away, my crashes (rage/hasten) sometimes detoggle me if I'm not careful (ie....if I dont hit EA to keep me topped off).
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Originally Posted by Airhammer
Because my Ice runs a ton of toggles and he does have damage resistance through Tough. I build tanks mainly to do one thing mostly. Take as much damage as they can as long as they can.
The Cardiac has some interest only to see if I could move Hoarfrost to perma status. I dont need any Extra Accuracy, nor the defense buff ( have enough defense ) so for me the Nerve is out. Damage is a luxury for me on that tank. He does enough and can hold his own. |
Anyone know how the higher tiers of the alpha slot boosts work?
For the uncommon level, I'm going to want a Radial boost, as that ups my resistance and end reduc. However, the end boost I want to get is "Core Paragon," as Radial Paragon doesn't boost what I want as much. If I make a Radial boost, am I not going to be able to switch to the Core side later on?
If so... that's kind of annoying, as I either have to make even more Cardiac enhancements to be ready when they make higher levels, or just sit at the common boost level for a long while (or get the uncommon that doesn't help me much when it just adds on to my range). Want to know for sure before I spend shards I should not.
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If I'm reading things correctly, you can make both a Radial Paragon and a Core Paragon, and switch them out as often as you want to. You aren't restricted to making just one or the other.
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Anyone know how the higher tiers of the alpha slot boosts work?
For the uncommon level, I'm going to want a Radial boost, as that ups my resistance and end reduc. However, the end boost I want to get is "Core Paragon," as Radial Paragon doesn't boost what I want as much. If I make a Radial boost, am I not going to be able to switch to the Core side later on? If so... that's kind of annoying, as I either have to make even more Cardiac enhancements to be ready when they make higher levels, or just sit at the common boost level for a long while (or get the uncommon that doesn't help me much when it just adds on to my range). Want to know for sure before I spend shards I should not. |
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Aett is correct. Im doing spirit on my Stone/DM. I got the alpha and will start making both available branches and upgrade them as issues come out, columnating to Core Paragon, but if I like the others you can always not make the paragon or make the paragon and start up the other side of the tree to have both. Switching out as necessary to "channel your incarnate powers."
You also have to remember that to make any *one* paragon you need to use any *two* uncommons. You'll have to make more than one anyway. I think.
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I don't think so. I believe the setup (core/radial) is meant to drive long term planning and activity.|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Anyone know how the higher tiers of the alpha slot boosts work?
For the uncommon level, I'm going to want a Radial boost, as that ups my resistance and end reduc. However, the end boost I want to get is "Core Paragon," as Radial Paragon doesn't boost what I want as much. If I make a Radial boost, am I not going to be able to switch to the Core side later on? |
Nothing definitive that has been available since the initial first alpha testing back during early GR beta to back up my answer though.
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The way I see it, for my main (fire/fire/pyre) tank I want the alpha slot to boost his strengths. I am going cardio, can always use a boost to endo, and the +res fits nicely with the highly resistance based fire primary. It's rare that I find something that I can't hit, got plenty of damage already and with extra endo can do more (and even more now that I respecced out of fitness and got extra slots from those originally placed in flight).
I've only got 1 defensive power: Weave from fighting pool. This the Acc/Def alpha does nearly nothing for me. Recharge was tempting, but with long fights I was already sucking blue bar before +recharge and I am never at a lack of an attack (unless horrendously slowed).
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No, what I was asking is if I could make an uncommon Radial boost, and use that to make a partial core revamp later on, which is in a different tree in the Cardial line. Because for some reason, there is no resist damage boost in the Core line at the uncommon level, and that's how far we can currently unlock. Eventually, however, the Core line boosts more of your resist damage (not sure why they set up the uncommons as they did, to be honest).|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
If I'm reading things correctly, you can make both a Radial Paragon and a Core Paragon, and switch them out as often as you want to. You aren't restricted to making just one or the other.
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I don't want to waste incarnate shards, etc., on a line of the Cardiac boost that I'm not going to use... I only have so much time to play the game! I have no interest in making two Cardiacs on one character, as only the Core Paragon is of interest to me at the end of the line. If I have extra shards on my Fire/Fire Tanker, I'd rather have an alternate Spiritual boost for the +recharge and +heal.
I'm going to guess that they are going to lock them out, given how the lines are on this graph and in game, but I'm not happy about it. So I either have to get an uncommon in a line I don't want to go further in, or sit with an uncommon that is only partially the boost I want until they let us go further with the Alpha Boost. *sighs* End reduc is nice, but range does squat for me.
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Ahhh....okay then, no, you won't be able to do that. I believe that you can only upgrade to ones within the same tree.
However, if you make one, you should be able to gather enough parts to make the other one before the level 3 ones are available.
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I have one question. Never thought of it until Aett's post. is there a limit to how many Shards you can hold at one time?
I know for a fact you can hold 12 at once (Highest I got before I converted them).
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Yeah, I'm facing the same dilemma, and I doubt we're alone in this. I want the eventual Cardiac Core Paragon for many of my tanks, but the Radial uncommon is obviously better currently. I may also just do Spiritual for the time being and then switch over to Cardiac in I20. Spiritual Core would work just fine for my Fire/Em & Stone/Ice (Dark/Mace too, but he's not yet 50). All need faster heals (not like Stony needs more resists anyway) and Em & Mace are stun heavy. I'd like more heals from Spiritual Radial, but that has the same dilemma as Cardiac in that eventually, I'd want Spiritual Core Paragon (as well as Cardiac Core Paragon).|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
No, what I was asking is if I could make an uncommon Radial boost, and use that to make a partial core revamp later on, which is in a different tree in the Cardial line. Because for some reason, there is no resist damage boost in the Core line at the uncommon level, and that's how far we can currently unlock. Eventually, however, the Core line boosts more of your resist damage (not sure why they set up the uncommons as they did, to be honest).
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My other tanks will likely go Nerve for the +def, and Radial will work as well as Core since the extra +Acc won't be missed.
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I've heard someone in-game say they had at least 40. I don't know how true that is, but you can take that for what it's worth.
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Originally Posted by Golden_Ace
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I have one question. Never thought of it until Aett's post. is there a limit to how many Shards you can hold at one time? I know for a fact you can hold 12 at once (Highest I got before I converted them). |
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The in-game chart actually looks different than the one on the site.|
Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
No, what I was asking is if I could make an uncommon Radial boost, and use that to make a partial core revamp later on, which is in a different tree in the Cardial line. Because for some reason, there is no resist damage boost in the Core line at the uncommon level, and that's how far we can currently unlock. Eventually, however, the Core line boosts more of your resist damage (not sure why they set up the uncommons as they did, to be honest).
I don't want to waste incarnate shards, etc., on a line of the Cardiac boost that I'm not going to use... I only have so much time to play the game! I have no interest in making two Cardiacs on one character, as only the Core Paragon is of interest to me at the end of the line. If I have extra shards on my Fire/Fire Tanker, I'd rather have an alternate Spiritual boost for the +recharge and +heal. I'm going to guess that they are going to lock them out, given how the lines are on this graph and in game, but I'm not happy about it. So I either have to get an uncommon in a line I don't want to go further in, or sit with an uncommon that is only partially the boost I want until they let us go further with the Alpha Boost. *sighs* End reduc is nice, but range does squat for me. |
What it looks like, in game, is that all four of the rare boosts are on a line, and from the center, a branch comes out, leading to the two very rares. Combining that with the information from the site you linked, where the Very Rare boosts have the line [Ability Cost: Any 2 Rare], leads me to believe that...
If you want the Cardiac Core Paragon, you would need to craft, say, a Cardiac Partial Core Revamp and a Cardiac Total Radial Revamp.
It look like you could follow one line, getting the two rares on that line, and switch over to the other side for the very rare.
Mind you, that's just interpretation.
Though I do have to wonder if 'any two rare' means that I could, say, get two rare Cardiac boosts, and craft them into a very rare Spiritual boost.
Again, this is only my interpretation of the information available to me.
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I went with Spiritual Radial for my Ice/Fire/Soul Tanker. The added recharge reduction is really noticeable when I'm spamming my AoE attacks (Fire Sword Circle, Combustion, and Dark Obliteration). And it's also handy for some other key powers like Hoarfrost, Energy Absorption, and Hasten. I'm totally loving the performance increase.|
Originally Posted by RemusShepherd
How are you planning to use the Incarnate slot? What do you expect your tank to get out of it?
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And I'll most likely go the same route with my Elec/Stone/Pyre. Having Energize and Power Sink recharging that much faster should boost his survivability nicely.
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Going with End/Res myself. At least on my Electric Tanker, Most people say Electric tankers shouldn't have End issues, but I do.
Running normal powers etc I dont run out before Power Sink isup, but if I go Heavy AoE ( Footstomp, Electric Fenses, and Ball Lightning) I can bottum my End bar out with all my toggles if Im not careful. The Alpha slot with the first End has made a pretty big difference. So much that I can run Manvuers in the background now as well as all my toggles and go AoE happy and be ok.
SSo it really depends on your biult, just because you have a end recovery doesn't mean you should nessaryly skip the End/Res as a option.
And on the other end.. I have 5 Resistance powers, tacking on more resistance x5 is very hard to skip.
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You can craft down either side of the tree and not worry about the closing one side off.
You craft the first enhancement, and that opens up the next two. When you craft one of the uncommons, you lose the first slot, so you craft the first boost again, and then you'll be able to craft the other uncommon. That's what we know.
We also know that to craft the Ultra-rare you'll need any two rares.
My guess is that to craft one rare, you'll need to use two uncommons.
So it won't hurt at all to get the End/Res first, and it'll probably be something you need to use in the future anyway.
I went with Cardiac on my WP/WM. I respec'ed into a build that's softcapped for defense, and now I'm having some endurance issues.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
I've heard someone in-game say they had at least 40. I don't know how true that is, but you can take that for what it's worth.
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You guys are making me consider the spirtiual boost on my claw/elec brute (i know, not a tanker, but a close cousin) due to energy alone..
My SS/invuln brute is gonna get the end/res one, due to the massive crashes from rage and hasten cutting his end bar in half (or more) plus the extra resistance probably won't hurt. I managed to get him softcapped with 1 (or maybe 2) people in melee range, and rage covers the dam/acc caps from all those kinetic combats, so end is my only issue
My ice/kin tanker i haven't really decided on. spirtual probably wouldn't be a bad idea, due to energy absorbtion, hasten, siphon power, and hoarfrost, and i don't think he'll have need for much else (damage would be good, due to siphon power, endurance is covered from energy absorbtion, and acc is again covered from siphon power..)
My willpower/fire is looking at either the end/res (willpower could use more resistance) or the acc/def one, due to needing more defense. Spiritual probably wouldn't be bad either, and i'll have the end management to handle the increased recharge.. hmmm...
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Hmmmm, where did you hear about the Ultra-rare bit? Hadn't read that anywhere myself. Helps me out a bit if that really is the case. Ugh, the question is when to stop running TFs with my main and toss my blaster and controller some so they can work on alpha slots.|
Originally Posted by MajorDecoy
You can craft down either side of the tree and not worry about the closing one side off.
You craft the first enhancement, and that opens up the next two. When you craft one of the uncommons, you lose the first slot, so you craft the first boost again, and then you'll be able to craft the other uncommon. That's what we know. We also know that to craft the Ultra-rare you'll need any two rares. My guess is that to craft one rare, you'll need to use two uncommons. So it won't hurt at all to get the End/Res first, and it'll probably be something you need to use in the future anyway. |
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I went with Cardiac on my WP/WM. I respec'ed into a build that's softcapped for defense, and now I'm having some endurance issues.
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On my Willpower/Fire/Fire tanker I went with Spiritual for recharge/heals. My tanking build (Solid overall) is almost done being IOed, defense/resist is great, regeneration/recovery on him is fantastic, and with fire I have a good balance of powerful ST attacks (Greater fire sword/Incinerate) as well as AoE (Fire sword circle, Combustion, Fire ball, Melt Armor). The build is great and although more accuracy would be helpful, I just find recharge so much better for him. He is more built around defense/resistance than shear damage output so recharge helps keep my AoEs and strong STs up and rdy to burn through anything. Plus the healing adds to the benefits so my regen, as if it weren't high enough as it is, is a little better. For my farming build that has fantastic S/L resistance/defense is probably going to go Muscular(w/e it was) or maybe even recharge again for more damage.
i now have cardiac on my farm build and my defensive build i have nerve.
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My positional defenses are all ~50% so I'm guessing either Damage or Recharge. I'm leaning towards Recharge/Stun figuring that some recharge will help Active Defense stack more for more 95% DDR goodness and allow me more damage by virtue of my big-hitting powers cycling faster. Basically, Recharge will make me stronger on multiple fronts. Plus it might help me budge that blue bar