What happened to the MARKET????


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Hey folks. I have been off COH for about 18 months. I had played up to 4 1/2 years before that..
Anyway, I remember back in the old days I could get items and IOls for decent price.
Now though, it seems like everything is skyrocket high.

What caused this a lack of supply that = huge demand?

Where would I find info on how to work this new expensive market?

Please sombody, just anybody HELP


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earning power has increased, so more money is chasing 'the good stuff'.

also there have been a couple of hyper-efficient MA farms going over the past couple weeks, which causes odd supply behavior since all the farmers get paid in tickets.


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You wouldn't want to bother to check out the other threads whining about the market before starting your own would you?

Please define everything and skyrocket high.

Meanwhile introduced into the game were Reward merits to directly buy items. Mission Architect tickets to buy random recipes. And most recently alignment (hero or villain) merits to directly buy any recipe in the game.

A large number of things have crashed hard in the past few months due to those game additions.


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Also they doubled the amount of influence a level 50 was earning because it was bugged previously.

Anyone who's been gone a while would totally get sticker shock today.


 

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy View Post
You wouldn't want to bother to check out the other threads whining about the market before starting your own would you?

Please define everything and skyrocket high.

Meanwhile introduced into the game were Reward merits to directly buy items. Mission Architect tickets to buy random recipes. And most recently alignment (hero or villain) merits to directly buy any recipe in the game.

A large number of things have crashed hard in the past few months due to those game additions.
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Welcome back. Unfortunately prices are now a lot higher than they used to be, this has been caused by a number of things:
1. Merits and Alignment-Merits significantly shifted the supply of certain items (primarily pool C/D recipes)
2. Level 50s had their inf drops pretty much doubled a few issues back
3. The AE further shifts things by providing a steady source of rare salvage and recipes but no Purples, this is made even worse whenever the farmers find a new exploit (we are just recovering from one such case).

The net result is a bit of overall inflation combined with a larger portion of the total economy being focused on buying the really high end recipes (purples and PvPIOs).


 

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Originally Posted by SwellGuy View Post

Please define everything and skyrocket high.

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I can define one, thats a certain PvP recipe that has skyrocketed so high people are resorting to selling it on the forums, soon I foresee real money being involved again like the inf sellers of past unless the devs and mods crack down on this sort of behaviour.

2bill is as high as the game allows any more than that is just plain greedy.


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Originally Posted by PumBumbler View Post
Anyone who's been gone a while would totally get sticker shock today.
this is absolutely true.

once you play for a bit and see how the inf floods in you'll feel better about things. =)


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Don't forget that everybody who can take the heat can be a farmer, even kind of unintentionally, using the I16 difficulty settings.

Short answer, a whole lot of people are a whole lot richer than they used to be. In some cases, some items are rarer than they use to be. More money + rarity = KA-POW!


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Also, hero and villain markets have been merged.


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Originally Posted by SerialBeggar View Post
Also, hero and villain markets have been merged.
Depending on which side you were on, that may have lowered prices.

But almost certainly not from the perspective of the OP's last view of the market.


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MUDflation isn't pretty. Perhaps the devs will address it after they fix the PVP system...


 

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Originally Posted by MRDEANE View Post
Hey folks. I have been off COH for about 18 months. I had played up to 4 1/2 years before that..
Anyway, I remember back in the old days I could get items and IOls for decent price.
Now though, it seems like everything is skyrocket high.
First of all, if you've got recipes or IOs in character inventory, SG etc check how much they're worth now, you might have a nest egg waiting to be liquidated.

Second, run a few teams and sell your drops, it's a seller's world now.

I'm very happy with the alignment merits reward per time invested. My lowbies have been earning numi's etc. all by themselves, no sugar-daddying required.


 

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There are two roads to riches, just as there always were:
1) Play game, sell stuff
2) Play with market, buy and sell stuff.

#2 is really the same as it's ever been, only the specific numbers are different. If Alchemical Silver has a low of 80K and a high of 200K, instead of a low of 40K and a high of 100K, you do the same things to flip it but you type in different numbers. There are a LOT of things that you can buy for a million or two, craft, and sell for 8-10 million.

#1 is actually where you can do what you used to do, more or less, and make more money. If rare salvage used to be a milliion inf, and now it's two million, that benefits the person who beats critters. You can get lots of stuff with Alignment Merits [you can either get them with 50 old-school merits and 20 million inf, or you can get them by doing tip missions- which I really enjoyed, until I overdid them.] You don't have to farm in the traditional sense- there are a lot of ways to get regular merits at a reasonable rate. Were story arcs giving out regular merits 18 months ago? They do now.

One quick-and-dirty way to make money: If you have characters with a few Reward Merits, they can get enough for a random roll or enough for an Alignment Merit by getting all the location badges in each major zone- each zone has an accolade, each accolade is 5 merits, it adds up.

Heck, if you have a character under level 40, I'll pay you 100 million inf, in advance, for the results of an Alignment Merit roll. Let me know when you play, what server, we'll meet up. I give you the money, you take the 5 random recipe option and give me the recipes, everyone happy.


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Originally Posted by Slazenger View Post
2bill is as high as the game allows any more than that is just plain greedy.
The thing is, it's not just that people are asking that much for these recipes; people are also willing to PAY that much. If they weren't willing to pay, people wouldn't be avle to sell at that price, because everyone would farm them themselves (either through PVP or A-Merits) instead of paying.

The prices are that high not because people are overcharging, but rather because buyer and seller are AGREEING on what is a fair price.


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2bill is as high as the game allows any more than that is just plain greedy.
If I can put in time X and get reward Y, should it matter if Y is split up into 165 little pieces or one big lump?

Because you can get 165 rare recipes or one big PVP recipe... and if you can get 3 billion for the 165 rares, why shouldn't you get 3 billion for the PVP?


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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman View Post
MUDflation isn't pretty. Perhaps the devs will address it after they fix the PVP system...
So... in 2015 or so?


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Originally Posted by MRDEANE View Post
Hey folks. I have been off COH for about 18 months. I had played up to 4 1/2 years before that..
Anyway, I remember back in the old days I could get items and IOls for decent price.
Now though, it seems like everything is skyrocket high.

What caused this a lack of supply that = huge demand?
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I can define one, thats a certain PvP recipe that has skyrocketed so high people are resorting to selling it on the forums, soon I foresee real money being involved again like the inf sellers of past unless the devs and mods crack down on this sort of behaviour.

2bill is as high as the game allows any more than that is just plain greedy.
But ONE is not EVERYTHING is it?

Plus sales don't occur at prices higher than buyers are willing to pay. I will gladly pay 100M for X but I won't pay 200M.

Also the devs added alignment merits so you don't have to pay 2B or more for those PvP recipes. You just have to either PvP or save up alignment merits.

I am not seeing this problem of which a few speak. I will tell you this if I get it as a drop in PvP I'm not sure I'd sell it on the market when I could get more off market for it and if I really wanted it and didn't want to wait in line with those only willing to pay 2B for it why shouldn't I be allowed to pay more to get it.

As long as in game currency and items are the means of exchange it's all good.


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Originally Posted by Yomo_Kimyata View Post
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

edit: maybe it is a Left Wing Conspiracy, I'm not sure.

But it's Vast.
Vast it is, indeed. In DEED.


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Thanks guy you guys are great on this site . I have no idea why I never interactedwith these boards before now. Man I missed out on a lot.. Anyway, I guess Ill do this the hard way and just get SO's up to 50 then start getting money for the market . Goodness this supply and demand thing is like real life economics now.. Better get cracking on my controller and get it ready .


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Originally Posted by Slazenger View Post
2bill is as high as the game allows any more than that is just plain greedy.
There is a lot of wisdom here, folks. Clearly the best solution is for the devs to implement market caps so items can't be sold at such outrageous prices. I, for one, have called for years for the addition of the idea. It would do wonders for my characters, I'm pretty sure.

RagManX


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Originally Posted by MRDEANE View Post
Thanks guy you guys are great on this site . I have no idea why I never interactedwith these boards before now. Man I missed out on a lot.. Anyway, I guess Ill do this the hard way and just get SO's up to 50 then start getting money for the market . Goodness this supply and demand thing is like real life economics now.. Better get cracking on my controller and get it ready .
There is really nothing in this game you cannot handle with SOs. One thing you might keep in mind -- sell your salvage drops on the market until you are ready to start inventing again. By the time you hit 50, inf will drop like water from mob defeats, but in the early game it's a lot easier to afford things if you supplement by selling your drops.


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Why not slot common IOs at 25-35 levels.

Save replacing the IOs and save a decent chunk of amount of inf over the remaining levels ?



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Originally Posted by Slazenger View Post
I can define one, thats a certain PvP recipe that has skyrocketed so high people are resorting to selling it on the forums, soon I foresee real money being involved again like the inf sellers of past unless the devs and mods crack down on this sort of behaviour.

2bill is as high as the game allows any more than that is just plain greedy.
You want the devs and mods to crack down on people selling things on the forums?!

"This forum is to discuss the Consignment Market system and Inventions. Come here to make suggestions, bid or sell items, and discuss all features of the game economy. THIS IS FOR IN GAME ITEMS ONLY!"

That kind of suggests -- at least to me -- that they're okay with people selling items here, though they probably should put the line about "it's only okay to buy and trade in-game items WITH in-game items and INF" up there, just to cover themselves.


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