The Death of Spider-man??

Nope, still don't care.

When Civil War Stories started I saw it clearly from the first Issue of one of the crossovers how the whole thing was going to play out and I HATED it and still do.

My comic book 'dealer' works at my local game store that I always frequented. In my city he is unequalled in comic knowledge and intensely caring for and catering to comic afficianados of all types. He is also a friend of mine from first grade to present.

I told him flat out after reading that first crossover of Civil War that they were going to kill Captain America. Obstensibly, they killed off Captain America because they needed a big splash to pull in readers and make themselves edgy and relevant like they thought(incorrectly) DC comics did when they killed Superman. But, I saw the truth. Marvel was no longer capable of writing stories about such a hero because real life society(loosely used) had changed. In order to show relevance to the angsty new me-me-me-and-only-me generation they had to hire young, talentless and stupid writers who come from broken homes and grew up in this horrifying mockery of a civilization that we have become. And these useless morons have no concept of heroism, bravery, self-sacrifice, nor decency.
This is why they are incapable of writing hopeful and inspiring stories about heroes who could rise above the terrors and lack of civility, citizenship and decency of today's world.

That is why Joephisto ordered them to kill off the best heroic literary figure and symbol we had. Because cashing in on the 'there is no hope-train' is more fiscally sound than finding mature, well-ballanced, and talented writers. It has become easier to destroy than to build.

Stories about heroes are supposed to guide our morality, help us to become better citizens and human-beings, and inspire us to rise above our self-centered concerns so that we may envision and create an always improving world. Comics about Captain America and Spiderman used to do this, not just for me alone, but for people across the planet.

If the comics you have read haven't inspired you as I have described, please note: It is only because you haven't been alive to read the ones that were written by talented and responsible authors. I pity this generation for the depressing and soulless writing and music they have to suffer through. The pendulum swings both ways; currently it is stuck on the dark/worthless side.

I told my friend the day I saw the future of the Civil War Arc and of Marvel Comics, "When they kill off Steve Rodgers as Captain America I will be done with comics. Comics will no longer be anything of quality worth reading or owning any longer." Joephisto killed Captain America and Marvel as a whole with that terrible decision.

Other, monstrously horrible decisions happened since then but I no longer follow them closely. I still feel pain from them though because of my intense interest in comics that I had for so many years of my life.

So, yeah, they will kill Spiderman off(and probably throw the entire X-men in there too, because, yeah, why not). And this will go on until Disney(now owner of Marvel) puts a stop to it. Either from fear that the value of their purchase will not be returned by having it's major characters destroyed by heartless, brainless hacks or because like one old guy way in the back of Disney's shareholder meeting stands up for decency(probably the former rather than the latter---Greed Rules ALL). But, Joephisto will eventually self-terminate, mostly by killing off any hero worth writing about.

I had fears about Disney ownership of Marvel(nightmares of Wolverines Claws being made into tulips he would tickle people with...) but nothing Disney could do with Marvel can be any worse than what Joephisto and his talentless indecent-hacks have already done or are going to do.

I believe that DC comics as a company is decent and cares for it's subscribers and it's fans world-wide. That being said, does anyone else get the impression that Joephisto actually works for DC?

Just me?...

Mary Jane's deal with Mephisto was Peter needed to be able to find someone else. If he dies that should negate the deal completely.

What would be great is if Norman has been plotting for this event this whole time. Since we have not looked into the Spider-mythos since One More Day I can honestly say we (hubby and myself) have seen a lot of Norman in other books.

I think this story has the makings of something good, I really do. The death will not be permanent, but I think the story leading up to it will be something to look into. Will it be Norman that finally gets Spidey? And if he really is the mastermind what contengencies does he have in place for all of Spidey's friends? Afterward, if this is all accomplished by Norman, how long will he live past the deed?

You see, I don't see a Doomsday scenario here (a new villain created for the sake of the story.) No, I strongly think the Green Goblin will be at the heart of all of this. We may not buy all of it, but we will pick up THE issue to see how it all ends.

Has Marvel never learned anything? Noone dies in comics for very long anymore since Superman left the door open in the afterlife and nobody has bothered to close it.

One other observation about another, risky way to effectively kill off character: Do it right at the point of a different, anticipated emotional climax. {Spoilers ahoy} Joss Whedon whacked Wash in Serenity immediately after the big breaking-atmo touchdown scene in order to ante up the risks for the other characters climactic final battle, and Alan Moore assassinated the Swamp Thing in issue just before his reunion with his wife, which had been building up for several issues.

Announcing "The Death of Spider-Man" as an event issue without grounding it in either suspense or an emotional payoff virtually guarantees a cynical reception.

Actually, it's just the name, "Spider-Man" that's dying. Pete's saved up for a rename token and is finally dropping the hypen!!

R. K. Mulholland's Super Stupor web comic had its own take on "One More Day"'s ret-con job.

That was amusing. Especially the throwaway joke about tvtropes.com. This guy really has geekdom's number!

Oh, and if I were Spider-Man, at this point, I'd be considering dying of shame.

ya know, i was going to come in and do a joe q joke..but after seeing the stuff here already, honestly, i got nothin', its all been covered, i gotta get in these threads earlier.

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