They're moving the European servers
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Posted on: 2010-11-10 01:03 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Actually most of Europe drives on the same side as you do. Only the UK and Ireland drive on the left as far as I know.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
I welcome our European friends and kindly remind them on the North Ameirca servers we super speed on the other side of the road.
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Some of my fellow Americans would roll on Zukunft and go "lol wut spk englesh nub wut u say?"
This made my morning. Oh man, I want to this, like, right nao!!!
But seriously, I would roll a toon on Union or Defiant to visit our European friends!
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
I doubt that would work at all nor is it desirable
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Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Free server transfers would kill the EU servers quicker than a new upcoming superhero game offering 6 months free gameplay.
Any potential list merge would need to be handled way more sensitively than that. |
More sensitively to whom?
These suggestions would seem to work to me. It would be desirable by me and some others I know. I don't see this idea as lacking in sensitivity at all.
How about a little more discussing specific pros and cons and less throwing around emotional and vague no's?
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Not particularly desirable by NCSoft as a business anyway. If you spend the time and effort to implement a tricky and long running issue for your customers do you then also want to throw away any potential revenue resources that may accrue from that work?|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Not desirable by whom?
More sensitively to whom? These suggestions would seem to work to me. It would be desirable by me and some others I know. I don't see this idea as lacking in sensitivity at all. How about a little more discussing specific pros and cons and less throwing around emotional and vague no's? |
Overall I think you're right in terms of people jumping the gun and predicting a Ghost Town in the EU servers if it did happen. I don't think too many would just up and leave their home servers outright. They are far more likely to test the waters by just rolling an Alt on one of the Big Two instead.
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Originally Posted by preachmoore
first things first.... if this move will eliminate the terrible lag we experience in ITF.... then we have a win
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I would too - but I already have a Euro account |
Originally Posted by Rad_Avenger
But seriously, I would roll a toon on Union or Defiant to visit our European friends!
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Well I hope for the sake of all the European players that this news of their servers being moved will result in whatever kind of merge/transfer most people want from this.
But as a NA player who has an interest in badging I can't help but to wonder what the fate of the Passport badge will be. For those who aren't familiar with that badge I'll quote the Paragonwiki info here which was written some years ago:
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So I'm wondering if all the European players are going to be merged onto NA servers (or even if the current European servers are simply added to the NA list) what will the fate of the Passport badge be. Will it still serve any purpose or will the Devs open it up to apply to any server transfer? | This badge was awarded on the European servers for accounts that transferred at least one character from a US server. This badge cannot be earned on the US servers, and since the US -> EU server transfer service is now shut down it is impossible to "earn" on any additional European accounts. This is, however, an account level badge, and so will continue to be awarded to any new characters created on accounts that are flagged with it. |
It'll be interesting to see what the Devs do with this.
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My name is Shadowe, and I approve of this move.
Now, the whole server list merge thing has reared its head once more (it's not an ugly head - I'd love to see it!), I see.
I do not believe that free server merges would serve any useful purpose... immediately.
Should a server list merge take place, then it makes sense to me to wait a month, maybe two, three, four, six... because the EU players would suddenly have a shed-load more servers to roll new toons on, and the US players interested in interacting with us EUers would be able to roll new toons on the (currently) EU servers. Once everyone has had a chance to settle down, get to know people on the suddenly broader global base of players, then you allow a short spate of server transfers. If someone was desperate to move earlier than that, they could buy a server transfer.
Anyway, personally, I'd welcome a server list merge in the main part.
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I wonder if they'd still keep the Euro lounge section of the forums if there was a server list merge?
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You mean like the way there isn't an Oceanic section of the forums because they tend to play on the US servers and don't have their own separate server list?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I wonder if they'd still keep the Euro lounge section of the forums if there was a server list merge?
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Server list merger (i.e. adding Union, Defiant, Vigilance and Zukunft to the US list ((or vice versa )) ) = Good thing. No one loses out, and we no longer have to have EU and US versions of codes, trial accounts, game codes, etc.
Server Merger (i.e. merging EU servers into US ones) = baaaaaaad.
I would hope for the former, I would declare outright war at the latter.
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Anecdotal evidence from the first round of free server transfers (in which Freedom and Virtue apparently switched population levels) suggests that it's not particularly rare. As people like to point out on a semi-regular basis around here, a lot of people enjoy less populated servers.
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Originally Posted by Judgement_Dave
Which I briefly considered then dismissed, as what sort of MMO player decides to knowingly move from a high population server to a low population server?
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Once again, Shadowe has said what I was thinking in a far more eloquent manner than I could think of.
A free transfer period would be good... eventually.
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For reasons other than server performance issues with higher population?|
Originally Posted by Kelenar
Anecdotal evidence from the first round of free server transfers (in which Freedom and Virtue apparently switched population levels) suggests that it's not particularly rare. As people like to point out on a semi-regular basis around here, a lot of people enjoy less populated servers.
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I ask as I went on to mention perceived server performance issues as a reason for moving to a less populated server.
It's interesting news to me if people moved because they actively wanted to be on a server with lower population but not due to perceived performance issues. Is that what you're saying people have done, according to anecdotal evidence?
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I look forward to seeing what changes this results in if any.
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free server transfers will not kill any server... As it didnt kill any of the NA lower populated ones. UNION has a community spirit and reputation that will not die. Even though in the first month people will transfer... so too people will transfer or start on UNION!
Eventually this will be balanced.
Two seperate games was an error from the start. And we just have to accept the change. I will not move any of my toons away from UNION. So UNION red-side will await whomever want to try it.
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There are indeed reasons to move other than performance - like not particularly caring for the general atmosphere of the players community on a particular server.|
Originally Posted by Judgement_Dave
For reasons other than server performance issues with higher population?
I ask as I went on to mention perceived server performance issues as a reason for moving to a less populated server. It's interesting news to me if people moved because they actively wanted to be on a server with lower population but not due to perceived performance issues. Is that what you're saying people have done, according to anecdotal evidence? |
Anecdotally - I had a character on Freedom I created to see what the fuss was all about. I played her up a few levels, then decided I didn't like the tone of Freedom PuGs (since the character was an experiment, she had no support structure in place (friends, sg, etc.) so the only teaming was PuG). I have moved her off Freedom to a server where I had those support structures in place.
So, there's an anecdote for you.
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I'm sure that this will happen from time to time, although I'd still be pretty surprised if this was common (unless a servers community has a change of general atmosphere) as I'd guess players would soon identify the mood of a server before they've created a shedload of high level characters...|
Originally Posted by Ad Astra
There are indeed reasons to move other than performance - like not particularly caring for the general atmosphere of the players community on a particular server.
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I think the biggest problem I'd expect with a transfer period immediately after any list merge is that the traffic would be overwhelmingly from EU servers to US servers.
Most NA players should have found at least one server in the 100 or so (ok - maybe slight hyperbole, but I can't remember the exact number offhand - c.12 iirc) in the NA list that has an atmosphere/population that they're quite happy with. With so many servers there's going to be some variation.
With the EU having 4 servers (and 2 of them being non-English speaking) there's just not the variety of moods/atmospheres. And as EU playing populations have (at times) dwindled there's often apeared to be a shift to a single English speaking server (Union) as it was seen to have a more active, but still small, population.
Now it's well known that some of the NA servers have much greater populations - okay, it's often mentioned that the quality may not be top notch, but just having a large population makes the NA servers seem like some sort of CoX utopia for many EU players.
So in the event of a list merge, I'd expect:
* some NA players to see the EU servers as some new space for cheap altitis, on a par to most of the NA server list (except the big 2);
* some NA players to see the EU servers as a place to team with some of the EU forumites they know;
* some EU players to see the NA servers as tons of space for cheap altitis;
* many EU players to see the NA servers as the promised land where players are everywhere and teaming is easy.
Given that NA and EU forumite/friend teaming would be able to occur on any server, I'd even imagine that more EU players would roll an alt or transfer to the NA servers to team rather than the reverse.
I might be wrong...
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i for one welcome our new european overlords!
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But I would keep all my alts (35) that are on Defiant on Defiant.
I would roll some alts on the NA servers. I would like to try the Drunk Server (mainly 'cause by 10pm on the weekend I'm drunk)
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Really I've no idea what this means. But I have this unfounded feeling in my gut that long term, within the next two years, we're going to see some sort of significant change to how servers and the division between them works in game.
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I know a lot of folks that got tired of being on Freedom and transferred when they got the chance. Also consider all the folks that DON'T switch over to Freedom and Virtue. They obviously have reasons besides game performance for staying right where they are. Not everyone wants to be where "everyone" is. I have yet to roll a character on Freedom and I probably never will. Nothing bad against those that have, but I find plenty of teams and things to do on the servers I choose to frequent.
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Originally Posted by Judgement_Dave
For reasons other than server performance issues with higher population?
I ask as I went on to mention perceived server performance issues as a reason for moving to a less populated server. It's interesting news to me if people moved because they actively wanted to be on a server with lower population but not due to perceived performance issues. Is that what you're saying people have done, according to anecdotal evidence? |
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Personally, I'd regard a server list merge as a chance to fill up two servers worth of free slots (since French and German might as well be Martian to me). I'd love it.
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Certainly. Server culture matters. If I could assign free slots to other servers instead of just moving characters out of them I'd have no one at all on Freedom for example. And some people find RPers really irritating and would therefore prefer to avoid Virtue. I'm not into RP, but at least the RPers tend to be a lot more literate than Freedom.
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Originally Posted by Judgement_Dave
For reasons other than server performance issues with higher population?
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What would be nice would be for them to implement one way transfers ala Freedom to Defiant, etc. They should aim for some sort of server balancing to move the consistently red and yellow dotted servers onto some of the green dotted servers.
Granted this might not help, but it could possibly shore up some of the lower population servers.
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I welcome our European friends and kindly remind them on the North Ameirca servers we super speed on the other side of the road.
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